The beam from the hanger bay was "what the hell?!" moment number one for me.

#2 was the fact that the turbolasers were ejecting spent cartridges after firing.

thoughts on these two?

Quote :

"I just watched "A New Hope". Man, the Vader vs Kenobi fight in episode 4 looks like shit compared to 3. Their feet never even left the ground. I'd take a lava fight any day."

yeah, I'm going to continue telling myself that Vader's mechanical parts and Obi Wan's age slowed them down significantly.

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 11:56 PM. Reason : .]

6/1/2005 11:53:22 PM

Quote :

"Who cares that Star Destroyer's are techinically impractical, they look fucking cool. "

yeah, i've never really understood how everything has a bottomless pit into space in it

but i just go with it

6/2/2005 12:10:22 AM

its like that thing
where if there really was a tunnel through the earth

when you fell through it, because of inertia
when you came out the other end
you would fall straight up, and land --- right back in the whole

and would fall for weeks until someone could catch you

6/2/2005 1:59:37 AM

^^I think it makes a lot more sense to have one hangar that's somehow shielded than the trek application of having every fucking window in the ship be a hole with a force field.

6/2/2005 2:03:53 AM

Quote :

"The beam from the hanger bay was "what the hell?!" moment number one for me. #2 was the fact that the turbolasers were ejecting spent cartridges after firing. thoughts on these two?"

Yeah, I've never really thought about Star Destroyers having some kind of weapon like that in their dorsal bay. But then again, it does make sense seeing as how Star Destroyers are also intended to be used as planetary bombardment and siege weapons. Kinda makes me want to see a "tech readout" or something like that.

As far as the cartridges, though, I was also thinking WTF? Perhaps they weren't cartridges as such, but were instead power cells?

6/2/2005 8:40:46 AM

folks
his battle scenes are normally homages to old 40s and 50s war movies

hell, some of the original space battles were re-done versions of actual dogfights...

6/2/2005 9:00:29 AM

Are you guys quite sure TURBOLASERS were ejecting cartridges? Turbolasers are the giant laser mounts on the surfaces of capital ships. Still, even if they were, they were likely cartridges of the gas used to "fix" the blaster bolts.

6/2/2005 9:11:47 AM

There we go, I just wont accept that what we saw were turbolasers

6/2/2005 9:50:39 AM

^^^

That's what I chalk it all up to. The Clone Gunships move like air assault helicopters, (The futuristic "slingload" was kind of cute too), and I figured they'd be exchanging broadsides like battleships of old, with Jedi boarding the ship with sabers drawn (arrrr).

There's also quite a few convenient plot devices. Those platforms in the lava allow our heroes to talk to one another during the duel--that's what I chalk it up as. I also think that while Obi-Wan's being knocked unconcious wasn't that well done, they just needed a way to get Anakin separated from Obi-Wan so that Anakin could kill Dooku and begin his descent.

A convenient plot device also powers those energy doors on Naboo when the Jedi fight Darth Maul. There's no real explanation for those that I've seen--they just allow Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan to get separated so that Obi-Wan can watch helplessly while Darth Maul kills Qui-Gon.

6/2/2005 10:01:34 AM

episode III = too many graphics and fights

even my dad said the fights were too long...he LOVES fights

6/2/2005 10:02:13 AM

you, and your dad, are stupid

[Edited on June 2, 2005 at 10:06 AM. Reason : *]

6/2/2005 10:06:05 AM

maybe so, but apparently you are too for not knowing how to use commas

[Edited on June 2, 2005 at 10:08 AM. Reason : ,]

6/2/2005 10:07:20 AM

You just misused a comma yourself before the edit.

6/2/2005 10:08:35 AM

in an attempt to bring out the misuse of the comma above mine

6/2/2005 10:11:12 AM

my statement certainly doesnt exclude others from being stupid as well

6/2/2005 10:17:21 AM

okay, then I am fine with your statement

6/2/2005 10:18:33 AM

I've read that the casings just held fuel for the turbolaser as suggested above, or that the turbolasers were actually torpedo launchers or some sort of mass drivers.

I'm inclined to believe the latter-- there'd be absolutely no reason not to store whatever turbolasers run off of in the ship, rather than in cases.

but to touch on another point made above, turbolasers aren't necessarily the heavy turrent guns on capital ships. The relatively small point defense guns on star destroyers are also turbolasers.



[Edited on June 2, 2005 at 12:15 PM. Reason : .]

6/2/2005 12:11:37 PM

I prefer pussyturbolasers

6/2/2005 2:41:51 PM

Star Destroyers ARE capital ships, and the small point defense guns on them ARE turbolasers. ;P

6/2/2005 3:12:23 PM

The Cap ship fights were done very well I think but they were more akin to naval battles in the earlier Golden Age of sail then grand battles of the WWII.

Ships coming up broadsides and opening volley with fighter combat not being as big of a factor.

Ep V- VI centered on carrier/fighter combat exclusively almost.

6/2/2005 3:48:38 PM

yes, they're capital ships, but I thought the point of contention was whether guns smaller than this:

http://www.pasadenamodelers.com/SCIFIPHOTOS/turbolaser_battery.jpg

could also be considered turbolaser.

6/2/2005 4:00:24 PM

Any twin-barrel, crew-operated cannon firing blaster bolts instead of ion bolts or proton torpedoes qualifies as a turbolaser. The main batteries on Star Destroyers of all classes are heavy turbolasers, but the smaller guns qualify.

6/2/2005 4:08:53 PM

Quote :

""I just watched "A New Hope". Man, the Vader vs Kenobi fight in episode 4 looks like shit compared to 3. Their feet never even left the ground. I'd take a lava fight any day.""

lucas originally intended for the lightsaber to be heavy enough to require two hands but his fight choreographer convinced him it wasn't a good idea.

plus he based the fights on old movies, as was already mentioned.

6/2/2005 10:15:05 PM

Anyone know where i can find conceptual sketches of the original star wars movies? I remember seeing early drawing of darth vader, C3PO, chewbacca, etc. and they looked alot different..
I'd like to see how the ideas evolved to the final product.

Anyone know where i can find these? (either online or in a book you can recommend)

thanks

6/2/2005 10:21:22 PM

Ralph McQuarrie did most of the conceptual art for the original trilogy. The "Star Wars" section of his webpage has a lot of good examples of his work.

http://www.ralphmcquarrie.com/

6/2/2005 10:38:31 PM

saw it again tonite

me likey

6/2/2005 11:33:14 PM

haven't seen yet, but i read the book, and it makes me want to see it even more.

6/3/2005 1:19:37 AM

The fight in Episode 4 is a tad weak, but I think the saber battles in 5 and 6 match anything in the prequels. It's obviously a different style, but just as enjoyable in my opinion.

6/3/2005 2:22:55 AM

i'd like to point out that obi-wan is a lot older in episode 4 and hardly as nimble as he used to be

also, anakin isn't even walking on his own legs anymore. you can't expect a geriatric or a cripple to be doing backflips and shit

shit.. i think this has already been pointed out

[Edited on June 3, 2005 at 2:27 AM. Reason : ..]

6/3/2005 2:24:55 AM

^^

What do you expect for a $10 million budget

6/3/2005 5:18:31 AM

I think the Sabre fights in 3 were the best of the series but they were broken down into segments and didn't seem as protracted and epic as the Father-Son showdowns in 5 and 6.

I wish CGI was improved enough for a long emperor vs yoda sabre fight.

6/3/2005 9:32:06 AM

i thought the fight was long enough

and i still laffed when yoda force brushed the two guards

6/3/2005 9:39:53 AM

Everybody laffed at that. I'm not sure if it was supposed to be funny or not

6/3/2005 9:52:15 AM

I thought it was more like a "that was badass" chuckle.

6/3/2005 9:54:17 AM

Hell yeah youre supposed to laugh at that.

Its a 'Please nigga you dont mess with Yoda' laugh

6/3/2005 10:02:44 AM

Yeah, it's like watching Yoda pull his lightsaber to his hand in AotC.

6/3/2005 10:29:32 AM

Shit, I remember seeing AotC in theaters and as soon as Yoda began the fight with Count Duuku, everybody in the audience started going nuts and cheering for Yoda.

6/3/2005 10:33:46 AM

that sucka has had 900 years to perfect his swordsmanship

n00bs should know better than to mess with teh Yoda

6/3/2005 11:23:50 AM

least you forget

he failed

6/3/2005 11:24:19 AM

he just didn't want to make Sidious feel bad, that's all

6/3/2005 1:44:06 PM

away put your weapon, i mean you no harm!

I think that force lightning blast from palpatine knocked some screws loose in yoda's head. From that point on started to act all goofy--

i.e. rummaging headfirst through luke's stuff, stealing his candy bar, wacking r2-d2 with his cane when he starts playing with that little flashlight.

6/3/2005 3:02:42 PM

That's an act though.

6/3/2005 3:08:05 PM

Test of patience for a young padawan it is.

6/3/2005 3:17:32 PM

i chalk up yoda's strange behavior to loneliness

6/3/2005 3:38:48 PM

yes, "obi-wan is a lot older in episode 4 and hardly as nimble as he used to be", but should he have been? he was aprox 25 in episode 1, so 35 in episode 2, and maybe 40 in episode 3, and then just 60 in episode 4. 60 isn't that old. in the script for episode 1, qui-gon is supposed to be near 60 and we all saw how well he could move.... just a thought.

6/3/2005 6:00:04 PM

and lets ignore the fact that christopher lee is damn near 90

6/3/2005 6:04:46 PM

BUT HE'S AN UNDEAD VAMPIRE

6/3/2005 6:06:27 PM

look at the wheels
those are the markings

6/3/2005 6:08:25 PM

Not to mention that we saw a 60-year-old man and an 70-80 year old man leap around like it was nothing in Episode III. Episode IV's lightsaber fight is a victim of a much lower budget and the technology at the time.

I just saw it a third time (as part of free event at my job) and I think seeing Padme die and then immediately switching over Darth Vader rising in his new suit is one of the most moving images in the saga.

6/3/2005 6:08:34 PM

yeah but then it got hokey real quick

should have collapsed to his knees "in submission" instead of yelling at "heaven"

6/3/2005 7:09:26 PM