^ none
Solinari is just being naive

The media definitely fawned over Obama a bit, but that's mainly because he didn't make hardly any mistakes early in his campaign, and it was easy to do considering the "history" of the situation and all.

But McCain ran an unusually poorly managed campaign, and this is reflected in this study. What's also reflected in the study is that Fox was unusually negative towards Obama's campaign, which is really what we'd all expect anyway.

[Edited on November 18, 2009 at 5:46 PM. Reason : ]

11/18/2009 5:43:42 PM

We should give everyone 50/50 positive/negative coverage regardless!

This is why I am opposed to the liberal bias around these 9/11 hijackers. We should devote 50% of our time talking about their position and the positives of it. Otherwise, we're just biased!

11/18/2009 6:01:14 PM

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"The media definitely fawned over Obama a bit"

i see what u did there

also, its easy to run a "good" campaign when the entire press corps is practically working as campaign operatives for you (circular reasoning works both for and against this argument)

[Edited on November 18, 2009 at 6:11 PM. Reason : s]

11/18/2009 6:09:59 PM

To be fair, the Obama campaign really didn't have to try all that hard to do well, given that Bush had just destroyed the image of the republican party.

11/18/2009 6:12:29 PM

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"also, its easy to run a "good" campaign when the entire press corps is practically working as campaign operatives for you (circular reasoning works both for and against this argument) "

haha

so you’re saying that it was the media that forced John McCain to fire his staffers and act goofy during the debates and pick Palin as his running mate? lol

[Edited on November 18, 2009 at 7:04 PM. Reason : ]

11/18/2009 7:04:05 PM

nope. i'm not denying that mccain ran a bad campaign. just saying that its hard to say how good obama's campaign would have seemed in comparison if the mslm had done their jobs.

but really both of our arguments are circular

11/18/2009 7:39:56 PM

the proof is in the reaction to obama winning the election, in those moments after the announcement all the far right wing commentators finally let their guard down and admitted that obama ran a much superiour campaign than mccain
they obviously didnt want to admit that during the campaign

11/18/2009 7:50:13 PM

Again, it's easy to run a good campaign when you're not being asked tough questions

11/18/2009 8:58:18 PM

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"when you're not being asked tough questions"

Could you list some tough questions that were directed towards McCain?

11/18/2009 8:59:51 PM

"Which newspapers do you read?"

11/18/2009 9:01:12 PM

I was going to use that as an example of the "loltough" questions asked of the McCain campaign.

I mean, seriously? Do you think anyone other than Palin (McCain/Obama/Biden) would've had to think about that for more than 2 milliseconds?

11/18/2009 9:05:07 PM

the only thing the right could come up with was bill ayers and jeremia wright.
and no one could be more motivated than mccain and palin to ask tough questions and that is all they could come up with so what are you complaining about.

but i think arguing with the same people who defend Fox, iraq war, and palin is a lost cause
you gotta show us that you are somewhat rational if you want a debate

11/18/2009 9:12:14 PM

likewise.

I'm not particularly interested in this debate. I'm just keeping shit honest... Folks were using circular arguments and I called them out on it. In the process, I used a circular argument of my own (essentially the dual of theirs).

[Edited on November 18, 2009 at 9:37 PM. Reason : s]

11/18/2009 9:36:14 PM

11/18/2009 10:00:05 PM

in other words, you dont believe a damn thing you're saying, you're just playing the part of an opposition
that should be Fox's new slogan "just keeping shit honest"

11/18/2009 10:00:49 PM

i'm not playing any part

jesus... you people are so one sided you feel betrayed whenever you see someone capable of seeing flaws in an argument no matter which side its on.... must be like vertigo for your worldview or something..

[Edited on November 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM. Reason : s]

11/18/2009 10:06:55 PM

there is debate and there is this alamo type of defend your mistake till you die sort of arguments
iraq, palin, & fox fair & balanced fall into the latter category

other than that i welcome debate on the issues

[Edited on November 18, 2009 at 10:28 PM. Reason : .]

11/18/2009 10:28:04 PM

most people who debate iraq don't even know what the real arguments are...

example:

"no blood for oil!" vs. "saddam had WMD!"

both sides miss the point completely

11/18/2009 10:39:41 PM

i watched a little bit of Palin's interview on Hannity... she used the term "lamestream media" twice

11/18/2009 11:22:25 PM

so what

liberals use stupid labels all the time, also.... how about teabaggers, for example?

11/18/2009 11:45:38 PM

really, the whole interview was ridiculous.. not sure why you would even try to defend her. i thought even conservatives were turned off by Palin at this point?

i also think it's ironic how the right always complains about the "mainstream media" (MSM!), when Fox News is the most watched of all news media (which they are also quick to point out).

11/18/2009 11:59:13 PM

Jon Stewart summed her up perfectly tonight

something along the lines of she's nothing but conservative talking points, and once you get past those, there is absolutely nothing else

[Edited on November 19, 2009 at 12:11 AM. Reason : ly]

11/19/2009 12:10:26 AM

i just saw a clip from last nights TDS, he had a live mariachi band play for Lou Dobbs as he entered for an interview, hilarious

11/19/2009 12:25:46 AM

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"liberals use stupid labels all the time, also.... how about teabaggers, for example?"

That's not the point... Someone who wants to be taken seriously as a potential future candidate should not use terms like that.

11/19/2009 12:38:52 AM

^ very true.

but if Palin is going to be the face of the Republicans, that’s going to make things very easy for the democrats. If the right wants to prop her up, i’m all for it.

11/19/2009 12:39:49 AM

To be clear...

If forced, I would pick Joe the Plumber around the same time I'd pick Sarah Palin as president.

Obviously, I got a lot of soul searching to do in terms of feminism and how I feel about women.

[Edited on November 19, 2009 at 2:03 AM. Reason : Seriously, how'd she ever get to mayor?]

11/19/2009 2:02:50 AM

personally i thought "lamestream" media was refreshing compared to the tired "mainstream" media phrase

11/19/2009 2:06:44 AM

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/11/fox_rolls_wrong_tape_heads_may.html

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" Today, FOX News host Gregg Jarrett was talking about Republican Sarah Palin's book tour and the crowd she is drawing at the start of it - no small turnout, with some 1,500 people lining up early this morning for a chance to get into this evening's premier book-signing for Going Rogue in Grand Rapids. "Sarah Palin continuing to draw huge crowds while she's promoting her brand new book,'' FOX's Jarrett told his viewers. "Take a look at -- these are some of the pictures just coming into us... The lines earlier had formed this morning.'' But it turns out that Happening Now had pulled some video of something that happened last year: Displaying video today from Palin's campaign for the vice presidency, on the ticket with the GOP's Sen. John McCain - which also drew considerable crowds, as shown today in video of a smiling Palin before an adoring campaign crowd. "This was a production error in which the copy editor changed a script and didn't alert the control room to update the video,'' Michael Clemente, senior vice president of news at FOX, sad this evening. "There will be an on-air explanation during Happening Now on Thursday.""

11/19/2009 10:34:49 AM

hahaha bullshit

two "production errors" in the span of a week, both related to crowd sizes, both at a professional news organization?

bullshit.

11/19/2009 10:39:09 AM

It's funny to me about all the people that bitch about Fox News, and really the Fox News lovers that bitch about any other news station. If they hate it and would never watch it, what's all the bitching about?

It'd be like Nancy Pelosi bitching about how bad the key note was at an NRA meeting.

11/19/2009 10:57:44 AM

Because they wield tremendous control over the national narrative.

Oh, and Fox News was the first station to "call" Florida for Bush, which caused all of the other stations to dogpile and call it as well, which made it appear that Gore was trying to take it away from Bush when Bush vs. Gore happened....

and the person in charge of calling that was....

John Prescott Ellis, George Bush's cousin.

So, you could technically blame the past 8 years on Fox News.

11/19/2009 11:10:46 AM

Fox News talked shit about Mr. Rogers.

Fuck them.

11/19/2009 12:06:34 PM

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"Someone who wants to be taken seriously as a potential future candidate should not use terms like that."

Oh really? Maybe you should tell that to the president of the united states

"Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care?" -Barack Obama

This is what I'm talking about when I say you guys are so one-sided. There's nothing inherently "better" or "more polite" or "smarter" about your side. You just agree with your side - that's all.

[Edited on November 19, 2009 at 1:40 PM. Reason : s]

11/19/2009 1:36:14 PM

^ He's got a point. There's a lot you can get whitewashed if you just either A: ignore it, B: get enough media folks to like you, or C: mea culpa it and blame it on a reckless youth.

See: GWB's DUI and other bad bahavior, Clinton's infidelities, Obama's associations with aging radical leftists, Reagan's divorce (granted, there wasn't much there but he was the first divorced President)..

Then again, when talking about Palin she doesn't get those excuses. She doesn't need them, she just flashes a smile and acts cute and a third of the country just seems to fall into line.

[Edited on November 19, 2009 at 1:41 PM. Reason : .]

11/19/2009 1:40:59 PM

why does someone need an excuse to say "lamestream media"

that's what my response to carzak was referring to.

11/19/2009 1:43:35 PM

Are you kidding? How much coverage was there about the DUI compared to the Wright/Ayers shit that DOMINATED the news for at least three weeks.

11/19/2009 1:44:06 PM

news of the DUI only broke days before the election, IIRC

11/19/2009 2:26:36 PM

I love the term "Tea-bagger"

-It's almost exactly what they call themselves
-it's full of dirty, depraved implications, conveying all the contempt these idiots deserve
-Most people don't understand the negative connotation, and it's an otherwise harmless term.

11/19/2009 2:41:35 PM

^ So ad homs are cool?

11/19/2009 2:45:07 PM

^^ LOL, yet another example of liberal double-standards... The tea-bagger term has its origin in gay slang... I guess that's "negative" and "depraved"...

11/19/2009 3:18:01 PM

^Tea-bagging is not an inherently gay activity.

Although if that were the case, it would add an additional level of tasty irony in the likelyhood that tea-baggers are not gay-friendly.

11/19/2009 3:52:22 PM

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"Oh really? Maybe you should tell that to the president of the united states "Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care?" -Barack Obama"

"Lamestream media" is childish bullshit, just like Faux News and MSLSD, and is in now way equivalent to calling the teabag followers what they label themselves as.

If a democratic politician used the term Faux news, I would roll my eyes.

[Edited on November 19, 2009 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

11/19/2009 3:53:20 PM

There's far worse quips being thrown around. Mainstream media is rather lame.

11/19/2009 3:56:22 PM

tea bagger is not bad cause its from the gays, it cause its a sex act
besides obama or biden didnt use this slang

but i think this type of trash talking from Palin pretty much assures us that she has no intentions of running for public office

11/19/2009 3:57:47 PM

^^^ They don't label themselves tea-bag, tea-bagger, or tea-baggists.... Not sure where you get that idea from... Probably from the MSLM.

11/19/2009 5:06:11 PM

It started with the gesture of sending tea bags to the White House. So it seems fair and accurate when Obama calls them "teabag, anti-government people." And it is not equivalent to using stupid terms like "lamestream media."

My point still stands that people should not use terms like that if they want to be taken seriously, no matter what side they are on.

11/19/2009 5:46:11 PM

Score One for the Tea Baggers - Neil Cavuto
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520899,00.html

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"Those who bagged the baggers now bagged themselves."

11/19/2009 5:47:41 PM

Right, because the teabaggers alone did whatever the hell he's talking about. It has nothing to do with any of the politics that have been going on in CA for YEARS.

11/19/2009 5:49:40 PM

or the general notion of being right for the wrong reasons

11/19/2009 5:51:54 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts988

this shit is just hilarious. and yes, I'm a firm believer that this is protocol there.

[Edited on November 20, 2009 at 10:04 AM. Reason : fdsadf]

11/20/2009 10:04:00 AM