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" We're Charlie brown and nc state is lucy"

Never was there ever a more apt analogy

[Edited on February 25, 2020 at 11:17 PM. Reason : D]

2/25/2020 11:17:08 PM

we're both Charlie Brown and Lucy?

2/25/2020 11:18:23 PM

Announcers were awful. Refs were awful.

And yeah the whistle led to, I believe, led to 2 State turnovers and 5 UNC points off those turnovers.

And as others will be quick to point out - we got out rebounded, got sloppy with the ball, took some bad shots, etc, etc. We lost because we didn’t play as good as UNC. But the refs were still super duper garbage ass.

2/25/2020 11:18:27 PM

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"who is UNC though"

They're our fuckin daddy, that's who

2/25/2020 11:18:28 PM

Hope we make the tournament but if we don’t we deserve it. Lost twice to Ga. tech and twice to UNC.

2/25/2020 11:19:01 PM

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" we're both Charlie Brown and Lucy? "

Nah. The fans are Charlie Brown. The team/program is Lucy.

2/25/2020 11:19:16 PM

ok i guess it get it, if that's what he even meant

[Edited on February 25, 2020 at 11:19 PM. Reason : .]

2/25/2020 11:19:27 PM

Yes that is clearly obviously what I meant

2/25/2020 11:25:40 PM

In 2 games vs UNC we attempted 20 total FTs.

Tonight, in one single game, UNC made 22 FTs.

I don’t think it’s a grand conspiracy. I don’t think anybody is out to stick it to State. It’s just frustrating as hell. That’s all.

2/25/2020 11:26:05 PM

I’d almost rather we lost out than sweat through the whole bubble thing. I haven’t been this disappointed in a state team in a long time. And NCState has been basically nothing but disappointing in my lifetime. This team had the talent and experience to be top 3-4 in the ACC easily and be seeded high enough in the NCAAT that we could make a legit sweet 16 run.

I’m also so over getting hosed by the refs. Every fucking game we run a huge FT discrepancy? This isn’t a herb team that doesn’t know how to drive to the basket and get fouled. Our whole fuckin offense is driving to the basket. We just can’t get any calls and then we get a series of touch bullshit on the other end. How is this not a thing?

[Edited on February 25, 2020 at 11:30 PM. Reason : D]

2/25/2020 11:27:24 PM

Refs know our tendencies.

2/25/2020 11:27:40 PM

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"Yes that is clearly obviously what I meant"

it's not really obvious when 99% of the "we" and "we're" in this thread refer to the team/school as a whole

2/25/2020 11:28:56 PM

Y’all really need to get into academic side of NC State! Go Wolfpack! Raleigh, NC! #ThinkandDo

2/25/2020 11:31:11 PM

^^^^idk about “easily top 3-4 in ACC”. UL, Duke, FSU are the defined top 3 regardless of us this year. It’s a down year in the ACC so #4 was there for the taking. That was probably the most realistic best possible scenario for this team imo. And even then, UVa has come on strong lately and has a 4 game lead on us for the 4 spot. We absolutely should be better than we are this year. I just think “easily top 3-4” in the acc is probably hyperbole.

[Edited on February 25, 2020 at 11:32 PM. Reason : A]

2/25/2020 11:31:40 PM

The team stats showed us in the lead or very close in everything for most of the second half except for offensive rebounds and made FTs. That's how they won. And of course the guy who went 0-5 at the line vs Duke and 0-7 vs BC went 14-16 at the line tonight.

2/25/2020 11:34:03 PM

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"We just can’t get any calls and then we get a series of touch bullshit on the other end. "

It's almost like there's a ref conspiracy because they have a grudge against us

No, that's just crazy talk right? Right?!?

2/25/2020 11:34:13 PM

48% Fg shooting tonight
32% 3 pt shooting, not great but certainly not bad.
84.6% FT shooting (more attempts would’ve been nice, of course)
14 turnovers, 2 above our season average but not terrible
Held opponent to 19% 3 pt shooting
Points off TOs we won 23-13.

Kinda looks like a game we coulda and shoulda won! But getting smoked on the offensive glass (I see 13 to 7, and i think 2 of ours were with <30 seconds left) and having the opponent take ~12 more FTs than us (not counting the ~6 when we were fouling on purpose) and losing two of our key defenders to foul trouble early in the first half was pretty hard to overcome. The whistle thing was also free points to unc. And I can see how this might look like I’m blaming the refs. But I’m not trying to. Looking at the stats, that’s where we lost the game...they had way more FT attempts than us, we were in foul trouble, and they beat us on the offensive glass.

[Edited on February 25, 2020 at 11:44 PM. Reason : A]

2/25/2020 11:43:21 PM

Yeah that’s bad.

Brooks was called for one foul across both games. A big man in the ACC fouls once against a team that drives to the basket a dozen times a game? Horseshit.

2/25/2020 11:48:26 PM

We lose to UNC because of our playing style and nothing else. If you wanted to design a system to lose to UNC, KK's system would be it. The problem is, he refuses to change it against teams where its a not advantageous (UNC and GT). We play the same exact way no matter who we're playing against.

2/25/2020 11:48:43 PM

at least you're not blaming our fans for this one

2/25/2020 11:56:07 PM

I just call it like it is whatever it is. When it happens to be the fans, you need to be willing to accept that our fanbase isn't perfect.

[Edited on February 25, 2020 at 11:58 PM. Reason : lets see fi the fans can bring the energy against pitt and wake when we most need them]

2/25/2020 11:57:56 PM

i'd love some examples of other schools' fanbases causing their teams to win or lose games

2/26/2020 12:01:02 AM

God don't poke the troll right after a UNC loss

Im normally all in but give us some time!

[Edited on February 26, 2020 at 12:05 AM. Reason : E]

2/26/2020 12:05:04 AM

https://twitter.com/scooterv13/status/1232520945044160512?s=21

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" In NC State's last 4 games, with a bid on the line, C.J. Bryce goes 16-50 from the field (32%) and 1-17 on 3s (0.06%), with 6 assists and 9 turnovers. Pack just not good enough to overcome that from a senior leader."

CJs disappearance the second half of the season is more than a little weird.

2/26/2020 12:17:50 AM

Yeah you can only chalk so much up to that concussion. Feels like he’s past that now. And is just playing real bad. Very frustrating and very disappointing

2/26/2020 12:19:03 AM

Shouldn't be too difficult for you to find out which teams have the best home court advantage independently.

2/26/2020 12:23:05 AM

when you say independently, do you mean i should look into this on my own? or do you still mean that fanbases determine game outcomes, independent of the actual players on the court?

2/26/2020 12:28:39 AM

Bit confused why both GT and UNC can exploit KK's system. UNC i get, but GT? Not so much.

2/26/2020 12:36:58 AM

Brooks played 75 minutes of 80 minutes in 2 games against NCSU and was called for ONLY 1 foul total in BOTH GAMES... and UNC took 56 free throws to NC States 20 free throws total for both games... even if you take away 16 free throws for garbage end of game fouls, its still 2 to 1 for a bunch of terrible players, UNC sure does play good defense without fouling

The refs exploited us, not UNC

2/26/2020 12:47:51 AM

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"Kinda looks like a game we coulda and shoulda won! But getting smoked on the offensive glass (I see 13 to 7, and i think 2 of ours were with <30 seconds left) and having the opponent take ~12 more FTs than us (not counting the ~6 when we were fouling on purpose) and losing two of our key defenders to foul trouble early in the first half was pretty hard to overcome. The whistle thing was also free points to unc. And I can see how this might look like I’m blaming the refs. But I’m not trying to. Looking at the stats, that’s where we lost the game...they had way more FT attempts than us, we were in foul trouble, and they beat us on the offensive glass."

Yeah, for most of the 2nd half they were up 13 to 3 on offense rebounds.

2/26/2020 6:26:44 AM

It's amazing how a few quick whistles can change the way a team has to play for the next 36 minutes...

2/26/2020 7:25:59 AM

Both teams' defenses last night was horrendous. How many times did players from both teams just drive to the rim and make a layup?

We had quite a few times players just grabbed the ball on the outside and hoisted it up. No attempt to square up or actually try to take a good shot. Markell Johnson was particularly guilty of this.

2/26/2020 7:58:11 AM

Can we start a gofundme to pay for the fines so that KK can call out these shitty refs?

And is it possible to issue a technical on the home team since someone in their stands was blowing a whistle? If so, why wasnt that done?

2/26/2020 8:24:40 AM

^i think they’d generally start with a warning and then a technical to the home team after that. But the refs didn’t even address the whistle until after it cost us 2 possession (and I think 5 points for UNC off those turnovers). So yeah the refs fucked that one up. Seems like if the whistle was loud enough for both teams to briefly stop playing then that would’ve been an obvious sign to the ref that maybe they should blow the play dead or address the whistle then.

2/26/2020 8:32:35 AM

I don't remember both incidents but for whatever it's worth after DD let the ball just roll out of bounds, I think Anthony immediately threw the ball away. No direct points there.

2/26/2020 8:50:31 AM

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" Bit confused why both GT and UNC can exploit KK's system. UNC i get, but GT? Not so much."

Can't remember the first GT game, but in the second one they thwarted our offense by trapping our ballhandlers aggressively right when they crossed half court. Usually you make teams pay by getting easy looks at the rim, but they have two elite shotblockers that made it hard to score in the paint.

Didn't watch the game last night, but I have no idea why the offense doesn't work against UNC. Maybe somebody else know. (And can we really say it didn't work? Our shooting %s weren't bad.)

2/26/2020 9:17:03 AM

^^yeah you may be right. I knew unc hit a 3 around there, but it must’ve been a different possession. I probably had that mixed up

^first GT game we didn’t have DJF and Markell. So that automatically hurts us a lot. And they have 2 good bigs with Banks and Wright. So I don’t remember specifically how that game played out, but I’m guessing GT exploited that advantage a lot. Offense wasn’t really a huge issue last night. It was stagnant at times...but overall the offense was good enough to win last night.

[Edited on February 26, 2020 at 9:30 AM. Reason : A]

2/26/2020 9:29:35 AM

Does 10-10 in the ACC get us into the tourney this year?

2/26/2020 9:29:53 AM

^FSU and us are tied for most Q1 wins in the conference with 5 each. That has to get us somewhere...

2/26/2020 10:13:21 AM

10-10 with a first round tourney win will have us still last 4 in territory I think.

[Edited on February 26, 2020 at 10:20 AM. Reason : The acc record in itself doesn't really matter anymore ]

2/26/2020 10:20:13 AM

Last night was a Q2 loss. So that loss isn’t keeping us out of the tourney. It would’ve been a nice boost, but the loss doesn’t hurt us that much. Losing to Wake or Pitt would be bigger dings to our resume. Our ACC record, by itself, really doesn’t really matter. Like ^ said. Generally speaking, the better your ACC record is then the more quality wins you probably had. But i don’t think being 10-10 vs 11-9 or even 9-11 is gonna be the difference. It’ll come down to quality wins, SOS, etc. At this point, if we don’t get in I think the 3 Q3 losses are to blame. We have some quality wins this year and our SOS isn’t a problem like it was last year.

2/26/2020 10:39:00 AM

-Our defensive strategy is to speed the team up and make them play fast all game.
-Team that want to play fast are helped by this (UNC's biggest struggle is that they can't dictate tempo while still scoring, they have struggled to score in low paced games. We solve their biggest problem for them)
-The cost of speeding teams up is that it generates a ton of fouls. We're often in the bonus first 10 minutes
-When DJ or MB get in foul trouble (they usually do), we don't have anyone else. This allows us to be dominated by teams with good bigs
-DJ ends up playing soft on the glass and on d to avoid fouls
-KK compounds foul trouble by draining minutes from players based on time quotas (3 fouls by halftime etc)

So the perfect storm against us is a team that often has trouble in the halfcourt, is great at rebounding, and can take advantage of foul trouble. Brook making an insane amount of his free throws didn't help.

For GT, all we put pressure and all Alvarado has to do is drive to the bucket all game. Either our guards foul out, our bigs foul out, or everyone positions themselves to stop the drive and their bigs get wide open for the dish or putback. It happens down the stretch everytime we play them.

Our strategy is great against teams like UVA who fight us to play slow.

2/26/2020 4:16:43 PM

Bryce 0/3 on 3 early. Beverly 1/1!

2/29/2020 12:19:21 PM

Pitt is not good.

We’re making them look good.

Lots of turnovers.

2/29/2020 12:26:55 PM

Andree is just a waste of a player on the court. We gotta learn how to play vs the zone better.

This game shouldn't be this close, let alone have us down by 7.

2/29/2020 12:29:08 PM

Bryce jumping on top trying to to tie it up is 100% a foul. It also never gets called. Pitt did it to us earlier and it was jump ball (stayed with us, so no big deal). Just lol, that’s all

2/29/2020 1:07:47 PM

We now have 10 offensive rebounds! That’s great! But lol only 4 2nd chance points. Not great!

2/29/2020 1:10:05 PM

Hahaha Capel T’d up

Not on Capel. That dude shoved the hell outta Hellems lol

[Edited on February 29, 2020 at 1:21 PM. Reason : A]

2/29/2020 1:20:55 PM

This feels like a terribly stupid double T upcoming

2/29/2020 1:22:39 PM

Glad to be wrong about a stupid double T

How many posts can I get in a row?!

2/29/2020 1:24:26 PM