What happened at the end? My dvr cut off

2/19/2012 10:50:37 PM

Lori layed the fucking law down!

2/19/2012 10:56:09 PM

it should not have taken this long to get to rival human groups but i'm glad its there now. actually now there's going to be rival groups within the group already there so its double conflict time.

i wonder why they wouldn't let andrea in the house?

2/19/2012 11:19:43 PM

Lori is gettin' all Lady Macbeth on Rick.

Me thinks we're heading for a civil war. Shane, Andrea, and T-Dog are def on the same side. I wonder who will stand with Rick. Lori and Dale for sure.

2/20/2012 12:01:35 AM

Taking that guy in was incredibly stupid. Risking your life, wasting medical supplies, and risking the security of the farm when you could have just shot him. All to take him and set him out in the middle of nowhere with a gimp leg.

2/20/2012 3:31:40 AM

^ I agree with you 100%. But me thinks they(the writers) did it to increase the drama and tension in the group to set up a big showdown later.

2/20/2012 7:37:51 AM

^^ By that reasoning, Hershel was just as stupid for letting Rick et al stay on the farm. He has wasted medical supplies, risked his life, and risked the safety of his farm all so the group could hit the road later once Carl was well enough.

Funny though. Looking back through the thread, I don't see anyone saying Hershel was stupid for refusing to help Carl or telling the group to leave from the start.

IMO Rick did the SMART thing bringing this guy back. What if Randal's friends happen upon them again? What if they see Hershel's truck or recognize Rick's voice and realize they were the same guys that shot at them at the bar? In that case, wouldn't it be easier to defuse the situation if Rick can say he saved Randal's life even when they wouldn't? And how much have they really lost if Randal's friends never come back? Some bandages and a few hot meals?

For all the ass kissing Shane gets for being "pragmatic", Rick is actually the one playing a winning strategy. I doubt he ever studied game theory, but Rick is playing "Tit-for-tat" like an expert:
1. Unless provoked, the player will always cooperate
2. If provoked, the player will retaliate
3. After retaliation, the player will be quick to forgive
4. Repeat

Like it or not. In the Iterated Prisoner's Dilemma, NICE GUYS FINISH FIRST.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat

[Edited on February 20, 2012 at 10:17 AM. Reason : ``]

2/20/2012 10:00:57 AM

For the rest of us who don't study Game Theory:

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"The prisoner's dilemma is a canonical example of a game analyzed in game theory that shows why two individuals might not cooperate, even if it appears that it is in their best interest to do so. It was originally framed by Merrill Flood and Melvin Dresher working at RAND in 1950. Albert W. Tucker formalized the game with prison sentence payoffs and gave it the "prisoner's dilemma" name (Poundstone, 1992). A classic example of the prisoner's dilemma (PD) is presented as follows: Two men are arrested, but the police do not possess enough information for a conviction. Following the separation of the two men, the police offer both a similar deal—if one testifies against his partner (defects/betrays), and the other remains silent (cooperates/assists), the betrayer goes free and the cooperator receives the full one-year sentence. If both remain silent, both are sentenced to only one month in jail for a minor charge. If each 'rats out' the other, each receives a three-month sentence. Each prisoner must choose either to betray or remain silent; the decision of each is kept quiet. What should they do?"

2/20/2012 10:11:14 AM

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"By that reasoning, Hershel was just as stupid for letting Rick et al stay on the farm. He has wasted medical supplies, risked his life, and risked the safety of his farm all so the group could hit the road later once Carl was well enough. "

Completely different scenarios.

One of Hershels group shot an innocent 10 year old boy by accident.

Rick killed 2 guy that drew on him first.

2/20/2012 11:14:41 AM

Did anyone else think this episode was just horrible?

The writing and situations have just gotten to be down right embarrassing.

2/20/2012 1:59:56 PM

It wasn't great, but they set the bar pretty low last season in regards to writing.

I thought there was actually a good bit of suspense in this espisode, especially when the trio is inside the bar. The other scenes were pretty mehhh overall -- especially the Glenn/Maggie scene towards the end -- but the bar shoot-out scene was nicely done IMO.

Darryl's nosedive is unfortunate though. He's the only character on the show I actually liked.

2/20/2012 5:07:20 PM

lost my damn satellite signal in the snow

2/20/2012 5:22:33 PM

The shit in the tent at the end was getting painful

2/20/2012 9:21:07 PM

What's the point of a post apocalyptic show when the characters apparently have access to all the food/electricity/clean water/medicine they could ever want?

To me, seeing how people improvise with the lack of these items is the most interesting aspect of post-apocalypse, and this show has none of this. The closest we got was the potential conflict with the other group of humans.

2/20/2012 9:36:43 PM

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"Completely different scenarios. One of Hershels group shot an innocent 10 year old boy by accident. Rick killed 2 guy that drew on him first."

Umm maybe you should clarify whether you think Rick made a stupid resource decision or whether he made a stupid ethical decision.

If you are talking resource decisions (that is allocating the groups resources to maximize the likelihood of their survival), then Hershel's and Rick's choices are not that different. In both cases, you have someone "wasting" medical resources and risking the lives of their group to help a stranger that they will eventually just send on their way. If you think Rick's choice was stupid from this standpoint, there is no escaping that Hershel's choice was equally as "stupid". Whether you think Hershel has some more obligation to help since Otis shot Carl is irrelevant in that context.

If you are saying Rick made a poor ethical decision then you will have to walk me through your reasoning. I would be interested in learning when you think you have a moral obligation to help a human being in distress. Maybe just when your son-in-law shoots that person? Maybe just when it is a child involved? That's an interesting what-if. What if it was a little girl impaled on the fence (oddly the sex and age of the person in distress seems to play a factor in these scenarios)? What if that girl had tried to shoot you? What if she said she was sorry later? Where exactly does your obligation to others begin and end?

[Edited on February 20, 2012 at 10:00 PM. Reason : ``]

2/20/2012 9:58:03 PM

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"Taking that guy in was incredibly stupid. Risking your life, wasting medical supplies, and risking the security of the farm when you could have just shot him."

I don't buy the risking the security of the farm part, dude was blindfolded on the way in and was probably in shock from having his leg impaled anyway. I think there's a good chance they end up accepting him as part of the group, and even if they don't the odds of him finding his boys after getting dropped off at a random location seem pretty slim.

2/20/2012 10:01:19 PM

i was hoping the asian kid was dead. terrible acting, writing, dialogue, etc.

[Edited on February 21, 2012 at 2:35 AM. Reason : .]

2/21/2012 2:35:25 AM

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"If you are saying Rick made a poor ethical decision then you will have to walk me through your reasoning. I would be interested in learning when you think you have a moral obligation to help a human being in distress. Maybe just when your son-in-law shoots that person? Maybe just when it is a child involved? That's an interesting what-if. What if it was a little girl impaled on the fence (oddly the sex and age of the person in distress seems to play a factor in these scenarios)? What if that girl had tried to shoot you? What if she said she was sorry later? Where exactly does your obligation to others begin and end?"

I think that really is the point, it was an ethical decision but a poor tactical decision given the zombie apocalypse. Rick and Shane (and apparently a lot of people on this board) fall on different ends of the spectrum of whether ethical decisions continue to be important in a zombie apocalypse.

For my part I would have let the zombies eat the motherfucker. I'm with Shane. If this were actually a zombie apocalypse I would have left Rick's destined-to-be-eaten ass a long time ago.

2/21/2012 6:53:22 AM

I see it as a good tactical move because you could help this guy, and his group could possibly help you out, or at least stop fighting against you, in response. His'n and your'n together stand a better chance against zombies than facing zombies and whoever he's got left both working against you. The other group is apparently nearby so it's possible that a fight would occur anyways the next time you cross paths, and the other group would know you only as the people that killed their friends.


I don't see leaving a group alone (or with 1 or 2 others) as a good idea in their environment, even if you don't agree with some decisions. Everything from keeping watch at night to finding food to anything else becomes more difficult with less people.

2/21/2012 12:18:46 PM

That's raider-bait talk.

2/21/2012 12:49:19 PM

but it is in the interest of humanity to save every life, being that no one has emotional ties to him, he is the ideal candidate for future suicide missions.

That, and what is the point of being a human when you leave behind everything that makes you a human?

2/21/2012 12:59:29 PM

Not to change subjects, but this was just something that stuck out to me at the end.

Rick, Glenn, Herschel, and new guy apparently jet from town at some point in the night, and don't get back to the farm until daytime the next morning. Is town that far away? I had understood that a trip to town was something shortish.

2/21/2012 1:19:06 PM

^ I wondered the same thing, when the hell did it become daylight?

I sort of dismissed this though, because there are a lot of inconsistencies in the show

2/21/2012 1:24:01 PM

didn't glen and maggie casually take horses into town for their first trip?

2/21/2012 1:30:40 PM

yeah I thought it was a short trip

2/21/2012 2:24:11 PM

I thought it took them so long to get back to the farm because Hershel mentioned having to stop off some place else to work on Randal--cauterize the wound or something.

2/21/2012 3:01:51 PM

That was when they were gonna cut his leg off.

But either way, I don't see why they wouldn't tourniquet that thing for the ride back to the farm instead of stopping somewhere and trying to Macgyver something.

2/21/2012 3:15:31 PM

this show is riddled with awful decisions. like the stupid cunt Lori who ran off with one of the only working cars to go get her very capable husband, while pregnant, leaving their child completely w/o any parents if they were to both die and then wrecks the damn thing.

2/21/2012 3:59:20 PM

2/22/2012 1:30:51 AM

Speaking of daylight/time issues: When the episode before last ended, there was plenty of daylight, but when this one begins with Rick shooting the guy in the head it's dark.

Also, during the shootout, Glenn was holding his shotgun. Then when Herschel made it to the back of the bar, he slid the shotgun to Glenn. Did I miss something or was that just a screwup?

2/22/2012 3:59:02 AM

^ I immediately noticed the change from day to night in the opening. That was really piss-poor directing/editing/filming by the show. Some things I can get past but that was just awful.

As for the shotgun scene, and I may be wrong, but I thought that Glenn had put the gun down when he jumped in front of the door to block the guy from coming in. Then Herschel was close enough to where Glenn originally was to get at the gun to slide to him when he was getting up to clear out the back room.

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 8:46 AM. Reason : .]

2/22/2012 8:46:27 AM

^^^I literally lol'd at that.

2/22/2012 9:01:26 AM

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"As for the shotgun scene, and I may be wrong, but I thought that Glenn had put the gun down when he jumped in front of the door to block the guy from coming in. Then Herschel was close enough to where Glenn originally was to get at the gun to slide to him when he was getting up to clear out the back room."

Glenn jumped in front of the front door earlier but he clearly had his shotgun at the back door because he blasted it when he saw the handle move.

I guess you could say he dropped it when he got shot at but I don't know how Herschel got a hold of it.

2/22/2012 9:23:01 AM

ah, guess i'm mixing up my scenes

2/22/2012 9:43:24 AM

2/22/2012 2:03:01 PM

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"I thought it took them so long to get back to the farm because Hershel mentioned having to stop off some place else to work on Randal--cauterize the wound or something."

maybe they took a long way so Randall would think their farm is a long way from town?

2/22/2012 2:07:52 PM

I too love killshots with a shotgun from across a city block

2/22/2012 2:29:34 PM

^^that is fine, but the writers are supposed to write that in the script so the audience doesn't get all fussy about inconsistencies.

2/22/2012 2:52:53 PM

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"I too love killshots with a shotgun from across a city block"

I mean I'm not a gun nut but isn't the effect range of a slug like 50 yards?

2/22/2012 3:42:18 PM

it's not going to stop a zombie if headshots are what you're going for

yeah it will hit something but it's just spraying pellets all over. shotguns aren't accurate in that way unless you're right up on someone.

2/22/2012 3:45:13 PM

^^Yes, slugs can be plenty accurate at ranges 50-100 yards, but based on other shots and effects, they're not using slugs. That, and slugs are much less popular/abundant.

^You're thinking of bird or buck shot, the standard/common ammunition type for shotguns. A 12ga. slug would blow a big ass hole through, if not take the whole head off.

2/22/2012 3:56:37 PM

00 buckshot is pretty accurate out to 25 yards, and really not that bad even at 50 yards. Chances of a headshot at 50 yards would obviously be pretty slim though

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 5:25 PM. Reason : ]

2/22/2012 5:24:47 PM

The cast of jersey shore writes this show.

Don't expect any sort of quality from this show

2/22/2012 6:57:11 PM

It's almost like they hired a bunch of people with no writing experience to do their first project.

I mean I really liked season 1. While watching it, sure it had its issues, but overall it was really good.

Season 1 compared to this season is like night and day.

It's almost like we are watching two entirely different shows.


Whoever thought a good way to take the story would be to strand them at a farm and then have basically no zombies in a show about Zombies fails at life.

2/22/2012 7:00:39 PM

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"Whoever thought a good way to take the story would be to strand them at a farm and then have basically no zombies in a show about Zombies fails at life."

QFT

2/22/2012 8:01:34 PM

I found season one more entertaining. Season two is less the traditional zombie movie plot and more personal drama. Season one felt faster paced and more was made of the setting, which in my opinion, is usually one of the biggest draws of zombie movies.

One thing that never got answered is what the CDC guy said to Rick. I am now wondering if it could have been something to do with Lori's pregnancy, because the CDC guy insisted on blood tests for everyone that he allowed inside. Who knows? AMC will probably just gloss it over and never bring it up again.

2/22/2012 8:37:17 PM

This has never been a good show. It is a good concept in a bad show

2/22/2012 9:22:50 PM

This has always been a good show. It is a bad concept in a good show.

2/22/2012 10:07:49 PM

^^^ yea i wondered about what he told him at the end. the pregnancy and the shane business is pretty much out of the bottle, so you would've thought rick would've already brought it up if that's what it was. i hated the entire business with the cdc honestly, down to the crappy CGI explosion at the end.

and what pisses me off the most about the farm is all the damn shooting they're doing and driving loud vehicles, there should be herds of zombies (or survivors for that matter) wandering in. i suspect that will occur at some point, forcing them back on the road. probably a season finale.

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 10:10 PM. Reason : arrows.]

2/22/2012 10:10:27 PM

The plot devices seem so contrived.

hey let me get in a car and drive down the road at dusk to try to find my husband who is a bad ass and really doesn't need a 75 lb women to come save him. oh wait i don't have a navigator to look at the map, wait i'll check it while i drive, i mean why stop i'll probably hold up traffic. just driving reading my map, ladedadada, oh shit there's a walker in the road....crash!

2/22/2012 10:27:31 PM