I don't have a theory, and I know the whole purgatory thing is not whats going on. But they did push the whole death/hell thing in the episode. Like I said a few replies ago.....they probably did do it as a joke, but they still pushed it, and that was the entire point of the argument. You said they didn't, but they did.

5/4/2007 12:50:25 AM

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"why would they give us the backstory of Penny contracting a company to look for Desmond (the guys in the tent/shack monitoring instruments, then calling Penny)?"

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"^ to make it more believable to the Losties I think Desmond and Sayid would be the hardest to convince, so they're going for a really good story, and it's something that Desmond would want to believe, whether or not it's realistic"

I was talking about the end of season 2 (i think) when they showed the "real world" where two guys in a monitoring station far away from the island saw effects from the "sky turning purple" event. Then they call up Penny. That's what I meant by backstory, independant of the castaways and the island plot. While I wouldn't be surprised if she was an 'others' plant, I'm betting on her to be telling the truth, since they were quick to make us suspicious of her, versus making us believe her then surprise us with bad news.

5/4/2007 9:41:24 AM

^ also Ben showed Juliette live footage of her sister and her baby while she was on the island to prove to her that her sister was still alive. He was talking to the guy running the camera in real time and told him to turn it off and return to the island quickly and then juliette broke down, remember? Obviously real time and in this world.

The real question is how did "Jacob" heal her sister? Is "Jacob" a person who went off the island to heal her sister or did "he" do it from across the world? I think that whatever Locke is about to see in the next episode is "Jacob" and it's not human. Codename "Jacob" refers to the great anomoly on this island that makes the magic happen. I don't know if any of you read the "ULTIMATE LOST THEORY" from awhile ago, but there are theories that there is a collective consciousness running the island (and events across the world) by way of supernatural/telepathic powers that only certain people (Locke, Walt, etc.) can tune into.
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=15038
They want Locke to be a part of this consciousness as he has already shown a strong link to it's power. He is "special" like the Others told him, just like Walt was. The Others are forcefully controlling this collective consciousness (whats left of the Dharma?) to try and bend it to thier purposes (whatever they may be).

This is my favorite theory right now because:
1) it explains why certain people can channel things from their past onto the island
2) it explains why the lady at the jewelry shop told desmond that unless he ends up on the island "We will all die". He is the missing link that the others did not account for like others already said on this board. She is linked to the collectice consciousness somehow, possibly many psychics around the world are linked to it. Claire's psychic who put her on the plane / Rose's faith healer who told her another spot in the world could heal her and arranged for her to be on the plane / etc.
3) it explains why Locke and Rose were cured. It also explains how "Jacob" could cure Juliette's sister from across the world. It explains how Locke's dad ended up on the island: "Jacob" arranged forthe car crash and the transport. As Ben said to Locke: "You brought him here" because of Locke unknowing link to this consciousness that it responded to.
4) Explains Jack's dads appearance, Kate's horse, Eckos brother, Hurleys psych ward buddy: the smoke monster being its on-island eyes and ears that it controls telepathically.
5) The humans in the CC are growing old, which is why they need new people who have this link to the CC (locke, walt) to take their places. Also explains why having children on the island is important to Ben and the Others.

yeah....

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 12:04 PM. Reason : sp]

5/4/2007 12:02:55 PM

So you are saying the CC is a group of people somewhere who are hooked up to devices and can control the world's events?

5/4/2007 1:03:09 PM

Whatever happened to Rose?

5/4/2007 1:23:06 PM

^I think she's just chillin, cancer-free with her hubby.

5/4/2007 1:39:10 PM

^^^yes, if the CC sees fit to do so. But who knows? Its all a theory and we don't know how the Dharma / Others play into it at all... The high frequency "interference" on the island is a byproduct of the CC's electromagnetic channel that allows them to communicate and possibly control events in the outside world.

I doubt Rose's story is over, she seems to be one of the few survivors who benefits from the island's aura profoundly. She seems almost like a psychic in her own way now that she's on the island also, but they havent developed her much since last season. They spent a good 2-3 episodes developing her and Bernard's story, so theyre bound to pop up. The others are bound to know she had terminal cancer before the plane crash and that she is still alive somehow. Maybe the Others want to take her when they storm the beach in addition to the pregnant chicks?

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 2:26 PM. Reason : ]

5/4/2007 2:23:10 PM

did anyone else catch Locke's line when he was talking about what he thought the reason the Black Rock ship was on the way to the island? He said something along the lines of "its an old slaving ship, I think they were bringing slaves here to do some mining". I think theres something about what Locke said that will play into the islands magical powers.

supposedly there is going to be a split in the Losties camp, some following Jack and everyone else following Locke and/or Sawyer

5/5/2007 11:40:07 AM

True...they have made a couple references to that ship and "mining"

also remember what the Sawyer and Kate were doing after being captured by the others? They were breaking up rocks or digging or something...hmm

[Edited on May 5, 2007 at 11:48 AM. Reason : ship]

5/5/2007 11:47:46 AM

^wow^^ I never put those together before....

Im siding with Locke/ Sawyer. Jack is a sketchball now. Kate drove him to bitter insanity by fucking Sawyer and especially now since Jack knows she is pregnant with Sawyer's baby....

5/5/2007 2:05:24 PM

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"E! Online says ABC seems to be getting ready to announce these things: * "Lost" will end in 2009. * Following the “game-changing” May 23 season finale, there will be a seven-month hiatus before new episodes return in 2008. * The series will be moving to an earlier timeslot. Don’t be surprised if all of this is revealed at ABC’s upfront presentation on May 15."

-AIC News

5/5/2007 2:25:12 PM

YES! Two more seasons of LOST at 9pm is great news.

Seven month hiatus before Season four begins really really really sucks though....

5/5/2007 2:35:09 PM

yeah, but I heard that they will be airing episodes from January-May next season, which means they will be running non-stop

it'll be like this season, except there wont be 6 episodes in November (I think thats when they aired) and then a break until mid-February

even though a long break sucks, at least they wont be breaking up the season like they did last year

5/5/2007 3:38:03 PM

^yeah basically what Fox does with the show 24, just 24 weeks straight, no reruns, no breaks. I think it's the best way to do it with this type of show.

5/5/2007 4:38:59 PM

there is an article in today's USA TODAY that explains there will be 3 more seasons of 16 episodes each. running from Feb-May

5/7/2007 10:01:16 AM

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 10:03 AM. Reason : ^he beat me]

5/7/2007 10:03:11 AM

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"One mystery solved: 'Lost' to end in 2010 By Gary Levin, USA TODAY The end is in sight for ABC's acclaimed island mystery Lost, but fans will have to wait until 2010 for all the answers. In a highly unusual move, the network announces plans today to end the show after three more shortened seasons of 16 episodes each. The episodes will air consecutively, repeat-free, from February to May. ABC's bold step marks a response to the show's producers, who have been eager to set a finish line to better plot out their convoluted mystery of plane-crash survivors and to placate fans who are frustrated that the show seemed to be vamping its way to a conclusion. "Among fans there was an unease that they were making an investment in a show that's complicated without any sense of where that's going to lead them," co-creator Damon Lindelof said in an exclusive interview. "From the very beginning, fans and even critics have been saying, 'Are you making it up as you go along?' " which was "a legitimate question." Now, with a still far-away ending in sight, Lindelof says he and executive producer Carlton Cuse have "specific designs for ending the next two seasons" and promises that with the answer-filled season finale May 23, viewers "will begin to get an idea of what that design will be, and it will not be at all what they expect." The finale completed filming in Hawaii on Saturday, a day after Lindelof and Cuse signed new contracts that will keep them working on Lost exclusively for the duration. With 48 more episodes due, the show will have completed 60% of its planned six-season run. "It's practically unprecedented in network TV to announce the end of a show this far out," Cuse says. ABC Entertainment president Steve McPherson says the unusual long-term commitment is "a unique situation" he would be unlikely to repeat for other series. "It's one of the best shows that's ever been on," he says. "It's got brilliant storytelling, incredible character work, and takes chances beyond anything that's on the air now." With Desperate Housewives, Lost re-energized ABC in fall 2004 and became a top 10 series. But after two time-slot switches, interruptions for low-rated repeats and a mystery that tried the patience of some fans, Lost has lost some steam. Ratings are down about 14% this season, though Lost still ranks highly among young adults and is the most heavily recorded show on DVRs. McPherson concedes that splitting the current third season in two "was not the best for the show" and says the network also is discussing a return to an earlier time slot to draw more family viewership. Shorter seasons will allow plots to be more tightly constructed and "will make it a real event," Lindelof says. "We won't have to do episodes where people are standing on the beach looking at the water and wondering what's going to happen next." Will Lost risk losing fans' interest with an eight-month lag? "People wait longer than eight months for the next books and films in the Harry Potter story and they don't seem to lose interest," Cuse says. "We have faith that our audience, knowing exactly how much of the story we have left, is going to be with us for the rest of the ride." But, Lindelof says, "the last five minutes of (this month's) finale are going to seal our fate."

5/7/2007 10:52:07 AM

only 16 episodes each? that's lame...

5/7/2007 10:52:19 AM

well all the talk over the past few weeks was about two more full seasons, which would have been 48 more episodes

this is the same 48 episodes, just spread out over three years... i'm down

i imagine it's easier to keep viewers interested in shorter intervals as well, especially with a show structured like this one

5/7/2007 10:59:41 AM

also great to have advertisers pay for three seasons and package three dvd sets instead of two

but yeah, i think everyone is glad that the show has an official end date

5/7/2007 11:27:34 AM

!3 more seasons of LOST!

5/7/2007 12:11:06 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the season finales and premieres were 2 hour episodes. Do they count that as one episode or two? Because if they counted it as two it would only be 14 weeks of Lost a season.

5/7/2007 3:42:21 PM

Someone should embed the requiem for a dream theme in here:

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/6/5/1/65195aea95f45aab3ab98f036ffe5994.wav

5/7/2007 3:50:56 PM

^^ they do not count the two hour specials as two seperate episodes. This week is Darma/Ben focused, next week is Charlie, and the two hour finale is Jack focused.

5/7/2007 3:55:20 PM

^Well I know they do now, you can see that on the DVDs, but I'm wondering if they might change it considering the abbreviated schedule.

5/7/2007 4:00:59 PM

This is a really good discussion thread for the most part. I have been watching the show since its inception, but I have really only been reading this thread for a few months. I don't recall, but has it been discussed whether or not they are really on an island? I don't think that any one has yet to circumnavigate it, and there was a point in last episode when Locke's dad said something to the effect of "You still think this is an island?" before they shut him up. I figure with as thorough as these discussions are the point has been brought up, I just don't recall what people's thoughts were.

5/7/2007 4:55:13 PM

^i thought locke's dad was mainly alluding to the fact that he thought they were in hell/purgatory.....not that he got driven there or had knowledge that it was not an island.

wonder why russeau came and got the exploxives?

5/7/2007 5:08:05 PM

They're on an island.


Whether it's imaginary or not, is another story.


in season two, they pulled the camera back from the others' camp and showed 2 islands.



And the writers have also said SPECIFICALLY that they are not in hell or purgatory. That theory is busted.

5/7/2007 5:18:03 PM

lost over in 2010, 3 seasons of 16 episodes

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117964371.html?categoryid=1417&cs=1&p=0

5/8/2007 12:05:47 AM

did you not read the last 15 posts?

5/8/2007 12:47:22 AM

i was just saying that is what locke's dad was alluding to. The purgatory theory is totally bogus, but I was under the impression in the last ep. that lockes dad thought he had died in the car crash

5/8/2007 2:00:02 AM

^There wasn't much 'mildly alluding' from Locke's Dad. They made it painfully obvious what he was trying to say. He said, "A little hot for heaven, ain't it?" or something like that, then Sawyer says, "You wanna go to hell? You go to hell," or something along those lines. Locke's Dad might as well have said, "hey, i think we're all in Hell." My personal opinion, they're just trying to let you think you've got things figured out every now and again so they can surprise you in the long run.

5/8/2007 9:30:47 AM

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"wonder why russeau came and got the exploxives?"

Well, considering she finally saw her daughter Alex, she's probably going to go postal. I think the finale is going to be an all-out battle. Russeau vs. Locke/the Others vs. Juliet/Jack vs. the rest of the survivors.

I've heard.....


*FINALE SPOILER*



















... the finale described as a "bloodbath" and that there will be at least 5 deaths (I really wish I hadn't heard this). I'm guessing Juliet, Charlie, Desmond, and then some Others. Although Sawyer would be a shocking death... he was on his path to redemption, but then he murdered Sawyer's dad, so maybe like Eko, Smokey will come and kill him.

5/8/2007 9:55:34 AM

I've heard that 5 deaths statement made before then someone who listens to those podcasts mentioned that after Locke's dad, only 4 more. You know they will probably have one, MAYBE two major characters die, most likely Charlie. However I'm thinking the other few deaths will be of really insignificant people, which will be disappointing.

5/8/2007 10:28:38 AM

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"Russeau vs. Locke/the Others vs. Juliet/Jack vs. the rest of the survivors."

Im still not convinced that Locke is trying to side with the Others in the end. He is too much of a wild card still.... He certainly would not kill/hurt anyone (like in last episode). Perhaps Ben wanted him to kill his father to show that he would be willing to do so to any other enemies of the Others in the future if needed (i.e. prepare him for the bloodbath). Locke obviously found a way to dupe him into thinking he had killed his father, so he may be the unexpected flaw that foils Ben's bloodbath plan because he wont kill anyone still....

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"Although Sawyer would be a shocking death... he was on his path to redemption, but then he murdered Sawyer's dad, so maybe like Eko, Smokey will come and kill him."

Interesting idea, I could see that happening. It would soften the impending "Kate is preganant with Sawyers baby" thing up too, dead people are almost always looked on more fondly than when they were alive. You can pretty much bet she will hate herself when she finds out she is pregnant with his baby, so perhaps this helps her live with it and still love the baby....

Alls I gotta say is that if they kill Desmond or Locke, then I will be really really pissed.... Those are by far the two most intriguing characters in the show....

And also : whatsup with the numbers they made such a huge deal about in the first two seasons? Its like they just dropped it like its hot....

[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 12:55 PM. Reason : locke]

5/9/2007 12:50:43 PM

It was explained that those numbers calculate the end of humanity (supposedly through one of the sprite promotions). I think the dharma initiative was the attempt to alter one of the numbers to save humanity.

I don't know...

5/9/2007 12:54:59 PM

^ did they say FOR SURE that was the explanation for the numbers? I read theories that posed that idea, but I dont remember them actually explaining it in the show....

5/9/2007 1:00:10 PM

No, it was never mentioned in the show that I can recall.

5/9/2007 1:07:04 PM

Interview with the producers today on 96 rock. Said this episode someone extremely major is going to die. Of course yall have been saying that too, but they confirmed.

5/9/2007 1:12:37 PM

"Locke will hear two words tonight,'' says (producer Damon) Lindelof. "Those words, and the fact that he hears them, will change his course on the island forever."

5/9/2007 3:26:12 PM

what's with all the pseudo-spoilers that all you people are posting here?

5/9/2007 4:26:52 PM

Well I put *SPOILER* so hopefully you could skip over it if you didn't want to see it.

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"Im still not convinced that Locke is trying to side with the Others in the end. He is too much of a wild card still."

Oh no, I'm not saying he's trying to side with the Others. He will do whatever it takes (except kill someone apparently) to keep himself on the island and find out it's true meaning or whatever. Right now, being on Ben's good side seems to be what will get him there (or at least that's what he's being led to believe) so I think for now he is an ally of the Others. But for his own purposes.

5/9/2007 4:58:09 PM

ya dont post spoilers in a tv thread, even w/ spoiler warnings. links maybe, but dont post actual stuff. this rule was established back in the season 1 thread

5/9/2007 5:59:55 PM

does this come on again tonight?

5/9/2007 6:15:39 PM

So you guys are speculating that the mystery of Lost has something to do with some physic voodoo garbage and mining. Perhaps they are mining something like the spice from Dune. As I recall the spice gave special gifted individuals the ability to manipulate space and time itself thus leading to space travel, prophecy and a hodge-podge of other strange talents.

It seems clear that Lock is joining the others though, killing that guy using Sayer was him stepping
to the dark side. I'd expect him to slide further down that slippery slope in episodes to follow.

I wouldn't trust ABC's 3 year announcement, LOST makes them a ton of $$$ it'll be hard to just let it die. Its kinda like when MacDonalds offers the McRib as a "temporary item", ya we'll see.

5/9/2007 6:55:14 PM

OR MY FAVORITE:

NC STATE'S LAST GAME EVER AT REYNOLDS!!

5/9/2007 7:08:11 PM

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"ya dont post spoilers in a tv thread, even w/ spoiler warnings. links maybe, but dont post actual stuff. this rule was established back in the season 1 thread"

THANK YOU

come the hell on, man

5/9/2007 8:47:23 PM

its always mommy issues

5/9/2007 10:03:59 PM

it's Uncle Rico!

5/9/2007 10:12:30 PM

hello ben flashbacks

and wasn't Roger the work man in that bus Hurley found?

5/9/2007 10:14:03 PM