jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "manning still had an overall better season even with Brown playing in 2 more games" |
It'd debatable...but if he did, it was by a small margin.
So Brown making it over Manning isn't "retarded". 11/28/2011 4:03:16 PM
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Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
NC State, where if our guy didn't win, we have to justify it with a paper thin excuse instead of entertaining the possibility that the other guy just might have been better. 11/28/2011 4:06:52 PM
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jsausley All American 1031 Posts user info edit post |
Hey guy, I didn't say he was awful, I just said that he wasn't that good. He's got one of the best arms out there but there's something about him that separates him from the really good QBs. It might just be that our offensive line hasn't been very strong and it is reflecting poorly on Glennon. As someone who doesn't get paid to analyze footage I can't tell.
[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .] 11/28/2011 4:13:15 PM
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Phil LOLlins All American 1402 Posts user info edit post |
As much as I like Glennon, I'm not sure if he'd deserve the honorable mention
4th in the ACC in Passing yds/game 7th in Pass Efficiency 9th in yds per attempt 4th in TD/INT ratio 2nd in TD's responsible for by a QB (passing + rushing TD's)
stats taken from
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/stats/byposition?pos=QB&conference=I-A_ACC&sort=30
[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 4:16 PM. Reason : c] 11/28/2011 4:16:15 PM
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packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Please tell me what QB in their first season as the starter at NCSU had a better season than Glennon did this year?
Check these lines out before you say anything:
QB 237 441 53.7 3054 6.9 7.0 25 10 126.1 QB 150 275 54.5 1955 7.1 8.2 17 1 133.9 QB 262 420 62.4 2790 6.6 6.8 28 11 134.9 11/28/2011 4:16:50 PM
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jsausley All American 1031 Posts user info edit post |
Just because he had a season that qualifies as "the best rookie season that an NC State QB has had" doesn't automatically place him as an honorable mention for All-ACC, though. (if he even did that, I'm not sure)
packboozie hard on the ginger penis ITT.
[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .] 11/28/2011 4:18:18 PM
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Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Having a great "first" season in your fourth year in the program is significantly less impressive than a true freshman performing comparably.
Like when Rodgers took over in Green Bay, it was already his fourth season there. 11/28/2011 4:19:31 PM
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Phil LOLlins All American 1402 Posts user info edit post |
for russell's #s you have to include his rushing yds and 4 rushing TDs and also remember he didnt start until the 4th game of the season 11/28/2011 4:21:46 PM
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thegoodlife3 All American 39108 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "NC State, where if our guy didn't win, we have to justify it with a paper thin excuse instead of entertaining the possibility that the other guy just might have been better." |
I'm not sure if a truer statement has ever been said on this board
gg, sir. 11/28/2011 4:22:11 PM
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packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Just because he had a season that qualifies as "the best rookie season that an NC State QB has had" doesn't automatically place him as an honorable mention for All-ACC, though. (if he even did that, I'm not sure)" |
Not saying that dumbass. Just telling you that he had a damn good season and you are an idiot to say otherwise.
Here's their junior year numbers for more reference:
262 418 62.7 3353 8.0 7.9 20 10 141.1 308 527 58.4 3563 6.8 6.6 28 14 127.5 262 420 62.4 2790 6.6 6.8 28 11 134.9
[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 4:27 PM. Reason : pretty comparable to our 2 "legends" and still getting shit on] 11/28/2011 4:22:56 PM
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jsausley All American 1031 Posts user info edit post |
The Rivers stats are a lot better (look at the yards per completion) and Russell Wilson was known for his third down play-making capabilities (this is what kept us in games in 2010) while also being able to throw the ball... So Glennon can throw the ball as good as a 5'11" QB who most people said would never go to the NFL? That doesn't bode well for Glennon.
Take off the blinders. 11/28/2011 4:59:03 PM
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Bullet All American 28165 Posts user info edit post |
some people are just going to hate glennon no matter how well he does becuase of their hard-on for russell's penis
EDIT: Although i think i've been convinced that he shouldn't have received honorable mention. He's still in the top half of ACC QBs though.
[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 5:16 PM. Reason : ] 11/28/2011 5:02:48 PM
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jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Hey guy, I'm not your guy...guy. 11/28/2011 5:23:02 PM
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jsausley All American 1031 Posts user info edit post |
I do agree that he is in the top half of ACC QBs, yes. That would be hard to argue against. 11/28/2011 5:27:17 PM
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packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Wait, you still think Rivers numbers are way better than Glennon?
They are almost identical. Same completions, 2 more attempts. PR averaged a yard more per pass but Glennon threw for 8 more TDs and only 1 more pick. You seriously aren't saying that they aren't A LOT better are you? 11/28/2011 6:03:32 PM
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Phil LOLlins All American 1402 Posts user info edit post |
PR: 18 y/o Glennon: 21 y/o w/ 3 years of being with the program
If we ignore these very important facts, then yes his numbers are in the ballpark of PR's outside of PR's +2.15 yards per completion advantage 11/28/2011 6:16:04 PM
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packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
^
The last set of numbers are from both player's junior years. Learn to read.
EDIT: Not too mention PR was throwing to Jerricho Cotchery, Tramain Hall, Sean Berton, Dick Washington, and Brian Clark etc.
[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 9:03 PM. Reason : 3 future NFL players] 11/28/2011 8:59:34 PM
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BoobsR_gr8 All American 30000 Posts user info edit post |
Looks like you posted the same stupid shit 3-4 times, so it was prob hard to tell esp bc no one gives a shit about your pelican of Glennon.
pelican where one places a person's dick and balls in their mouth at the same time
[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM. Reason : N]
[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 10:05 PM. Reason : Z] 11/28/2011 10:02:23 PM
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Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
And Rivers had TA for a few of those years, so we weren't throwing nearly as often in the red zone. Mclendon, for all his injuries still scored a lot of touchdowns and we had a much more balanced offense than we currently do. 11/28/2011 10:09:04 PM
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Bullet All American 28165 Posts user info edit post |
i thought you were a boob-man. what's with all the dick references? 11/28/2011 10:31:46 PM
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Elwood All American 4057 Posts user info edit post |
TA WAS IN 11/28/2011 10:36:14 PM
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packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Some of you guys will find something wrong with everyone, hell you probably saw things wrong with PR. Not too mention you don't like a coach that's 16-9 in 2 years at NCSU.
This QB we are discussing is tied for the most TDs thrown in the ACC and tied the third highest season TD total in school history. With 3 more in the bowl, he would tie RW's record for 2nd most. Keep in mind all of this is without our best offensive player all year.
[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 11:10 PM. Reason : Boobs acts like he is Jay Davis ] 11/28/2011 11:08:08 PM
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kdogg(c) All American 3494 Posts user info edit post |
More like, Rivers never went down on his knee at the half. He ran down the field unopposed, and some idiot ref who couldn't see whistled the play dead because he THOUGHT he saw Rivers take a knee.
Against Maryland.
Go figure. 11/28/2011 11:54:29 PM
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Bullet All American 28165 Posts user info edit post |
the schedule on the first post of this thread is horrendously inaccurate 11/29/2011 12:06:02 AM
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brownie27 All American 3030 Posts user info edit post |
^ hope you are joking because I got a good chuckle.
If you are not, the second post explains the first. 11/29/2011 12:14:01 AM
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Bullet All American 28165 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "i think state finally beats clemson next year, what is it now? 7 straight?" |
dweedle got it on valentine's day
Quote : | "i predict we start 5-0, then shut the bed the rest of the season" |
bdm missed big a year and a day ago (just some playful ribbing since we're competing for #10 of 10 in the semifinals of the Predict the Score thread)
[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 12:43 AM. Reason : ] 11/29/2011 12:31:04 AM
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bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
^ha, I completely forgot about that.
That prediciton was based on the fact that I thought the first post was the order...meaning if we had played UNC 5th, we'd put everything into that game and lose the rest of the way out.
I was kind of right since we did shut the bed against BC the following week...when I was at the game ![](images/frown.gif) 11/29/2011 1:06:01 AM
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jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "And Rivers had TA for a few of those years, so we weren't throwing nearly as often in the red zone. Mclendon, for all his injuries still scored a lot of touchdowns and we had a much more balanced offense than we currently do." |
Rivers has made a living in the college and pros off of throwing to his running back. TA/Tomlinson/Sproles. I love how a lot of our fans chastise Glennon for doing this, yet worship Rivers for inflating his numbers for doing the same thing. Big difference is that Rivers has had good RBs that can do more with the ball after completing these easy dump passes. 11/29/2011 7:44:28 AM
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aaronburro Sup, B 52787 Posts user info edit post |
rivers may have thrown to his RBs a lot in the flats, but he at least could hit a downfield receiver in stride consistently. Glennon really hasn't shown that ability 11/29/2011 8:57:51 AM
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spooner All American 1860 Posts user info edit post |
wow, just now reading this glennon debate itt. in all honestly, the answer is somewhere in the middle. did he blow everyone away this year? absolutely not. was he extremely capable and showed promise? absolutely yes.
considering he was a huge question mark entering this season, and quickly showed himself to be reliable, says a lot. i dunno, maybe i'm still remembering the days of beck/evans/burke, etc, but i'm quite happy with glennon and think he'll be one of the strengths of this team next year. will he be a heisman candidate who re-writes the record books? naw. but he'll be good enough for us to win. 11/29/2011 9:10:07 AM
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Bullet All American 28165 Posts user info edit post |
(he's already kinda re-writing the history books ) 11/29/2011 9:30:40 AM
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hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
LOL @ jbrick83. 11/29/2011 9:34:37 AM
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jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
^ Missed you in the Chargers' thread! 11/29/2011 9:42:47 AM
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hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
Ha! I somewhat agree with your Glennon/Rivers comparison. 11/29/2011 9:45:56 AM
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Elwood All American 4057 Posts user info edit post |
Rivers/Glennon are no Tim Tebow! 11/29/2011 10:15:30 AM
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Bullet All American 28165 Posts user info edit post |
Wow. I kinda wish I knew about this earlier. Steven Howard seems like a really great person:
http://www.gopack.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112811aaa.html 11/29/2011 2:44:22 PM
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Kodiak All American 7067 Posts user info edit post |
It's from James Henderson, so take it with a grain of salt, but rumor has it that the S&C coach is fired. 11/30/2011 11:53:09 AM
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izzykareem All American 2621 Posts user info edit post |
^ in fairness he's saying "from multiple sources" and "still trying to confirm" 11/30/2011 12:13:42 PM
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JP All American 16807 Posts user info edit post |
THANK GOD
http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/1134223.html 11/30/2011 2:20:20 PM
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MORR1799 All American 3051 Posts user info edit post |
we'll see how much of a difference this makes in the next few seasons 11/30/2011 2:39:24 PM
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wolfdawg4 All American 5866 Posts user info edit post |
Confirmed by Chris Kingston 11/30/2011 2:42:15 PM
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TallyHo All American 11744 Posts user info edit post |
what did the old s&c coach do, just kick everyone in the knees? 11/30/2011 2:42:36 PM
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timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
Wow. I hope they get someone competent. I'm amazed TOb let them get rid of him since it seems that O'Brien has carried him since BC 11/30/2011 2:47:51 PM
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Bullet All American 28165 Posts user info edit post |
i heard the old football s&c coach made them stick their feet under the bleachers and do sit-ups while pulling their neck with their hands, and old-school stretches like bending over and touching their toes. does anybody remember "picking beans" from elementary school p.e. teachers that was terrible for your back? i heard he made our players do that too.
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 2:49 PM. Reason : ] 11/30/2011 2:49:19 PM
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hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
^ This. The first week of conditioning also included pushing wheel barrows filled with bricks around campus.
We NEED some new blood.] 11/30/2011 2:54:39 PM
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Bullet All American 28165 Posts user info edit post |
If anyone ever took a shot to the groin, the old S&C coach would make them sit on the ground, then he'd lift them up and drop them back on their ass, so their testicles would come out of their stomach. He made them eat raw eggs before every game too.
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 3:13 PM. Reason : ] 11/30/2011 3:13:25 PM
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timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "does anybody remember "picking beans" from elementary school p.e. teachers that was terrible for your back" |
Our PE teacher did a variation on that she called windmills. Then later stopped having us do them when she found out they were bad for the back. 11/30/2011 3:14:43 PM
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cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Sit ups with your feet pinned are terrible for your lower back and neck as well. 11/30/2011 3:22:59 PM
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pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
![](http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/39/392194.jpg)
11/30/2011 3:30:50 PM
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Bullet All American 28165 Posts user info edit post |
^^i know, that's what i'm saying, that resulted in at least three injuries on the football team, that i'm aware of. 11/30/2011 3:32:24 PM
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