RvP had a great 1st half of the season and an OK 2nd half. If it were vice versa, then I guess he would have won it. Bale deserves the award anyway I guess

[Edited on April 28, 2013 at 8:30 PM. Reason : ..]

4/28/2013 8:30:06 PM

RvP should've won it, cunty as he is.

4/28/2013 8:47:37 PM

Might as well mention Mata among these other names. He was tremendous all season.

4/28/2013 8:54:22 PM

Valencia should have won it too, as he is the best winger in the world

4/28/2013 9:19:42 PM

Quote :

"Over the last few years, relatively little of this wealth has been spent on improving the squad. Indeed, between 2009 and 2011, United actually had net sales proceeds of £3 million – though this was admittedly greatly helped by Ronaldo’s £80 million sale to Real Madrid. However, in 2011/12 the Glazers turned on the taps with United allocating £50 million to net player purchases, only surpassed by their neighbours Manchester City. However, what really stands out is the £46 million interest United had to pay. This is by far the highest in the Premier League with Arsenal the only other club having to make a double-digit interest payment (£13 million). In fact, United pay about the same amount of interest as all the other Premier League clubs combined. Although debt has been significantly reduced from the horrific £773 million peak in 2010, it still stood at £437 million (net £366 million after deducting £71 million cash) as at 30 June 2012, mainly senior secured notes attracting interest rates between 8.375% and 8.75%. Looked at another way, without the burden of the Glazers’ debt, United could afford to spend £80 million every season on new players."

This is insane. Imagine if United weren't owned by a bunch of fuck heads. They would blow everybody away.

http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2013/04/show-me-money.html

Good read on most of the top clubs' finances. (even Tottenham!)

4/29/2013 8:33:03 AM

If we weren't owned by the Glazers, we would have continued to be a public company on the Stock exchange. There used to be a lot of red tape for releasing funds on players even though it wasn't a risk. So either way, we wouldn't have been spending like Chelsea, Madrid etc...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2004/feb/01/newsstory.sport5

[Edited on April 29, 2013 at 8:54 AM. Reason : ...]

4/29/2013 8:53:35 AM

Quote :

" So either way, we wouldn't have been spending like Chelsea, Madrid etc..."

If United had owners that weren't squeezing millions of dollars every year out of the club in interest payments and dividends, then yes, United would be spending more than Chelsea, Madrid, etc. and if they weren't, they'd be stupid because their cash flow can clearly support it.

4/29/2013 9:54:22 AM

Damn, the glazers are making out like bandits on this investment.

4/29/2013 12:17:30 PM

The Glazers have been good owners who don't meddle with the team. Sir Alex gets what he wants and I would take the Glazers over someone like Mansoor or Abrhamovic. The only complain I have is the ticket prices. The debt is serviceable, I am not worried about that one bit (unless Sir Alex retires and we don't make top 4). Ticket prices would have gone up regardless. It would however be nice if the club were owned by fans but that would pose some other logistical challenges as well. We had owners that weren't squeezing millions out of our club and we still didn't spend ridiculous amounts on players. We spent more or less what they were worth. The return on investment for majority of United players has been terrific.

[Edited on April 29, 2013 at 1:25 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2013 1:24:35 PM

I mean, did you read the article or what?

Without the leveraged buyout and interest and dividends, it wouldn't matter what kind of return United was getting in the transfer market because they could buy whatever the hell they wanted every year with no consequences.

In what universe is Mansour a bad owner? Pump millions of dollars into transfers, wages, infrastructure, write off millions in debts... sounds pretty fucking sweet if you ask me. This just proves you're willing to argue about anything if you're defending the Glazers.

4/29/2013 1:40:42 PM

I don't think Mansour is a bad owner. He's not playing Football Manager like Abramovich.

4/29/2013 2:07:13 PM

4/29/2013 2:47:18 PM

^

Oh he mad, very mad, aimorris mad...

4/29/2013 3:00:35 PM

Someone do a zoom pic.

4/29/2013 3:04:51 PM

Mancini doesn't win that FA Cup he is most likely gone. How does that make Mansoor a good owner? And liking the Glazers proves jack shit. What have we done under the Glazers? Oh you know only made three champions league finals and won one of them. Only won countless trophies in England. The Glazers have backed off and let football be handled by men who understand it. Say what you want about the Glazers but they are savvy businessmen. I would love to have the financial security of being debt free but I also would absolutely hate it if we were the kind of club that went out and spend 50 million on one player. You see there is a pride and joy about seeing someone like Welbeck, Hernandez, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Vidic, Evra, Rafael, Fabio, and Evans. Its a matter of opinion. The Glazers could do better, yes, but the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

[Edited on April 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2013 4:41:23 PM

Quote :

"You see there is a pride and joy about seeing someone like Welbeck, Hernandez, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Vidic, Evra, Rafael, Fabio, and Evans."

Jesus you are so smug.

4/29/2013 4:55:42 PM

We'll do what we want, we'll do what we want, We're Man united we'll do what we want!
We'll do what we want, we'll do what we want, We're Man united we'll do what we want!
We'll do what we want, we'll do what we want, We're Man united we'll do what we want!

4/29/2013 5:04:06 PM

I'm convinced wazza is trolling me at this point so well played to whoever is behind it.

4/29/2013 7:25:56 PM

I'm just assuming he's parodying Yankees/Lakers/Red Wings/Patriots at this point. No one is this much of a dickbag who idolizes a jersey.

[Edited on April 29, 2013 at 7:52 PM. Reason : X]

4/29/2013 7:52:07 PM

I wish I had an alias that good

4/29/2013 7:57:03 PM

I always assumed it was jtmoney or whatever the name was.

4/29/2013 8:15:31 PM

Damn. Good going JT. I was really starting to hate that user and his utter stupidity.

[Edited on April 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM. Reason : I do however believe GingaNinja is real and has asperger's.

[Edited on April 29, 2013 at 8:26 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2013 8:22:38 PM

^

4/29/2013 8:33:32 PM

Even I wont defend the Glazers. Dude wtf.

4/29/2013 11:55:44 PM

Wenger out?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10026250/PSG-confident-of-luring-Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-to-France-this-summer.html


Rafa should be available.

4/30/2013 8:25:27 AM

Ronaldo back to United exposed on twitter?

4/30/2013 12:57:54 PM

Bale (gone), if true.

4/30/2013 1:10:42 PM

Someone mentioning Bale in a summer transfer?

First I've heard of this

4/30/2013 1:34:31 PM

save the mad, my friend. We'll have plenty of time for that this summer.

4/30/2013 1:35:45 PM

so wanting academy players and cheap players coming in makes me a troll and smug? I guess thats the American mentality since the American sports don't have a concept of youth academies. You lot are hilarious. Dortmund fans can be extremely proud of their team because of how they go about football. So wanting my team to emulate that and not spend money is bad now? hilarious.

And you idiots clearly don't understand why I am defending the Glazers. Because they have let football be handled by men who are much better at it than them. They haven't meddled. I clearly said I wish we didn't have the debt. That also doesn't mean we would go out and spend 50 million on one player. United's value is at its highest and our operating profits are ridiculous. The Glazers know how to do business.

[Edited on April 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2013 1:37:36 PM

4/30/2013 1:45:10 PM

United wage bill was $139mm USD in 2012. Dortmund was $88mm USD.

Stop acting like you are comparable. The Yankees don't claim to be the Rays because they play a few homegrowns.

4/30/2013 1:49:36 PM

Quote :

"The Glazers know how to do business."

They certainly do. Buy a storied successful club, load millions of debt on to it, raise ticket prices, get millions in interest and dividends yearly, and some idiots will defend them for doing it because they just happened to have the best manager in Premier League history working for them and they won some trophies.

4/30/2013 1:53:17 PM

Hey look, it's wazza31



If it weren't for you meddling kids, I would have gotten away with it, too. You never see the Glazers meddling. They're anti-meddlers. All the other owners are always meddling.

4/30/2013 1:58:34 PM

I always see the same person I imagine face would look like when I read his posts

4/30/2013 2:07:55 PM

4/30/2013 2:19:09 PM

I dread the day Sir Alex leaves...

4/30/2013 2:19:20 PM

lol, I guess that should have been Glazer. But Ferguson isn't involved in any meddling either so it still works.

4/30/2013 2:29:36 PM

NYM410 read what I said again. I clearly say I want my club to emulate what Dortmund does. Since when does emulate mean we are comparable?

And aimorris since you insist on being an ignorant fool I will break it down for you.



The debt is acquisition debt. United is spending enough in the transfer market despite the debt. The owners are taking money out of the club but they are putting ridiculous amounts in to it. Have you seen the recent sponsorships we have acquired? That doesn't just happen, it takes smart businessmen. Sir Alex clearly helps but the Glazers know how to utilize Sir Alex's success to make the club much more marketable. It seems you don't understand how businesses operate. Leveragable debt is hardly a bad thing, especially for a club like Manchester United.

Now you can say if the Glazers hadn't acquired United we would be making 80 million. Quiet simply we wouldn't be because that money coming is because the Glazers know how to leverage United's success.

Look at Arsenal. They are extremely profitable but do their owners put anything into the team? hardly. Arsenal had a team to challenge United a few years ago. Their players left because the owners were too stubborn to strengthen the squad.

Saying the Glazers are horrible for United is an extremely stupid argument. Anyone with decent business acumen would realize that. Its not as black and white as that. The Glazers aren't great for United but they haven't done anything to hurt United either. Increasing are value doesn't just require success on the pitch, it requires a business model.

Anyway I am done with your absolute ignorance. You clearly don't understand that I am not saying the Glazers are fantastic for United but they clearly aren't bad either. They are businessmen, their success depends on United's success at the end of the day. Carry on being an absolute dimwit now.

4/30/2013 2:29:55 PM

Meddling free zone.

4/30/2013 2:33:59 PM

^^

Thoroughly enjoying the ownage of the ABUs... but I have to disagree with you on the glazers being good owners. I will hold my judgement till after sir Alex leaves and the club sees dark days. The owners are basically on cruise control since the manager is doing such a great job. We were a highly marketable club even before they came so I don't really understand the grand praise from a true supporter like you



[Edited on April 30, 2013 at 2:44 PM. Reason : ..]

4/30/2013 2:41:58 PM

Look at those assholes over there meddling. Disgraceful!

4/30/2013 2:43:59 PM

Quote :

"You see there is a pride and joy about seeing someone like Welbeck, Hernandez, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Vidic, Evra, Rafael, Fabio, and Evans."

As if this is some feeling so foreign to non-United fans that we can't even fathom what it must feel like. And I'm not sure why you're putting Vidic, Evra, and Hernandez into this group.

4/30/2013 2:49:41 PM

^

Out of all the points he/she posted you zero in on that one?

4/30/2013 2:54:16 PM

I really hope FSG pick up this book at some point. Brilliant stuff.

4/30/2013 2:59:11 PM

^

You do realize you're not funny right?

4/30/2013 3:04:08 PM

I think he's pretty funny at this particular moment in time.

4/30/2013 3:07:15 PM

^

4/30/2013 3:10:17 PM

4/30/2013 3:12:49 PM

Quote :

"lol, I guess that should have been Glazer. But Ferguson isn't involved in any meddling either so it still works. "

I would say he meddles with the refs

4/30/2013 3:19:18 PM