Im not believing a DAMN thing till I see someone on TV with NCAA on their clothing announcing something.

8/30/2010 9:09:04 PM

I hope the NCAA has people viewing the public Facebook profiles of fat tits' friends, and scouring every single publicly viewable photo. After all, maybe they'll find pictures of him at a dog fight or with a bunch of guns or drugs or something

8/30/2010 9:13:21 PM

I want them to find a pic of Austin and Roy Williams snorting coke off a dead hookers ass.

8/30/2010 9:14:18 PM

brass, i would buy into that except that high school athletes aren't really the same kind of employees as those at a multimillion dollar company. i'm not excusing the actions of the players, as they should be dealt with like any other student, but i think it's ridiculous to blame butch for their behavior, especially since most of them are seniors and should know better.

you can recruit "character" guys all you want, but you have no way of ultimately knowing how a 16-17 year old kid will act when he gets onto campus.

8/30/2010 9:19:58 PM

^ the agent thing, yeah, i could believe that he didn't know about that stuff. especially with it being off-season. his nanny writing papers for players, well, that's a whole different story...

8/30/2010 9:25:46 PM

she's not, and never was, his nanny. she was recommended to him by the academic support office after he moved there as a tutor for his son, not the other way around

8/30/2010 9:28:12 PM

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"she was recommended to him by the academic support office after he moved there as a tutor for his son, not the other way around "

That could be even juicer.

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 9:29 PM. Reason : []

8/30/2010 9:29:33 PM

Perhaps the Orange County Board of Education needs to investigate BMFD Jr's academic standing?

8/30/2010 9:58:06 PM

either way, nanny or not, he should have a clue as to what type of help a tutor is providing his star players. Especially if he pays for the same tutor to help his son as well.

look at it this way - do you think the tutor would help the players cheat on her own accord, without any guidance to do so, and also hide it from the coach? what's the logic in that? i can't imagine a tutor saying to herself "you know, coach has never said he wants me to write papers to ensure these guys are eligible, but i'm gonna do it anyway and risk my professional credibility, because, well, i'm a fan and just want the team to do well..." naw.

and if this guidance did NOT come from the coach, but from the academic support office itself - well, that would probably be the most damning evidence for "lack of institutional control" possible. they're going to have a tough road to hoe to convince the NCAA that the tutor acted out on her own - but it's either do that or indict butch.

[Edited on August 30, 2010 at 10:30 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2010 10:26:05 PM

I see StingrayRush is in full denial mode, trying to exonerate the coaching staff at every turn.

8/30/2010 10:35:24 PM

I see Stingray in denial mode, but I also know he intentionally spelled it 'ratard'

8/30/2010 10:53:50 PM

8/30/2010 11:02:29 PM

I would have spelled it ritard, ratard sounds like sounds like rodent feces

8/30/2010 11:04:40 PM

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"I hope the NCAA has people viewing the public Facebook profiles of fat tits' friends, and scouring every single publicly viewable photo. After all, maybe they'll find pictures of him at a dog fight or with a bunch of guns or drugs or something"

haha, laughed my ass off, i am now assless

8/31/2010 1:15:57 AM

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"I see StingrayRush is in full denial mode, trying to exonerate the coaching staff at every turn"

you would seriously fire a coach for something he realistically has no control over? and again, IF he or any of the coaches were complicit, then by all means give them the boot. I'm just maintaining that if there is no concrete link between these "prongs" and butch/staff, I can't see justifiably terminating him, unless you're an egghead academic or a rival fan

8/31/2010 6:54:35 AM

I don't know why anyone would want him fired.

He can't beat state.

8/31/2010 7:31:55 AM

^

I was going to say, boot the 'good players'; keep the coach.

8/31/2010 9:05:07 AM

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"UNC has updated its 2010-11 Student Athlete Handbook to stipulate that "each team must identify at least one coach or administrator who is responsible for having access to and regularly monitor the content of team members' social networking sites and postings." The athletic department also reserves the right to have other staff members monitor athletes' posts. If any of an athlete's online content violates the law or NCAA, university or athletic department policies, sanctions could range from removal of the post to dismissal from the team. UNC associate athletic director Steve Kirschner said the updated social networking policy has been in the works since last spring, "and it is not in response to any one thing.""

and i can poop purple sherbet.

8/31/2010 9:07:49 AM

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"she's not, and never was, his nanny. she was recommended to him by the academic support office after he moved there as a tutor for his son, not the other way around"

So how's that go?

"Hi Coach Davis, nice to meet you! Also, we have no way of knowing, but just in case your own kid is a dumbass, here's the name of someone who could help him out with his schoolwork."


BD might not have come out and asked directly for a nanny for his kids, but there's no way he didn't at least indirectly mention his kid needed a nanny.

8/31/2010 9:42:18 AM

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"you would seriously fire a coach for something he realistically has no control over?"

Only if it was something serious, like players selling shoes and tickets.

8/31/2010 9:54:00 AM

guys, it's clearly spelled r'tard.

8/31/2010 9:54:52 AM

Looks like there was a party that featured lots of ex-UNC, now NFL players in Chapel Hill the same weekend as their spring game. Wonder if that helped with recruiting that weekend. Hopefully JPGiglio looks into who attended/who paid for what/etc.

8/31/2010 10:32:10 AM

statefansnation with another gem

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2010/08/31/marvin-facebooks/

8/31/2010 10:36:13 AM

actually, statefan91 found that on Austin's facebook page. Wadhead1 is one of the people who use statefan91.

8/31/2010 10:41:05 AM

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"BD might not have come out and asked directly for a nanny for his kids, but there's no way he didn't at least indirectly mention his kid needed a nanny."

Or perhaps he realized that his kid needed additional help in a subject and he approached the academic support office for a recommendation of a tutor.

I mean, I can't wait for the UNC athletic program to go down in flames but some of you are really stretching the information out there and passing it off as simple logic.

8/31/2010 10:43:06 AM

^

8/31/2010 10:58:52 AM

marvin austin is a brilliant young man.

8/31/2010 11:03:38 AM

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"per GregBarnes: The list of players in question for Saturday's game includes, but is not limited to, Marvin Austin, Greg Little, Robert Quinn, Kendric Burney, Charles Brown, Bruce Carter and Quan Sturdivant."

8/31/2010 11:16:38 AM

^^^^

Isn't that the same thing I said? That the hiring of the tutor originated from BD's side and not the academic support office's side?

8/31/2010 11:51:28 AM

Marvin Austin is a gentleman and a scholar.

8/31/2010 11:54:45 AM

Marvin Austin is a gentleman and a scholar. part of the rebel alliance and a traitor.

8/31/2010 12:12:49 PM

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"you would seriously fire a coach for something he realistically has no control over?"

I never said to go ahead and fire him, but this whole "he has no control over anything his players do so he hasn't done anything wrong" idea is myopic. Not to mention the undeniable connections between Blake and Wichard. Bottom line is head coaches are responsible for what goes in their program, if he didn't know any of this was going on then he's guilty of incompetence, and if he did that's even worse.

8/31/2010 12:17:24 PM

if your getting paid 200k+ for a job that is about "coaching" and then even more $texas if you WIN, then I'm pretty fucking sure you know whats going on and NOT going on your program.

8/31/2010 12:21:18 PM

Butch is always described as the "CEO" of the program and knows "everything that goes on." Now we're supposed to believe that it's all bullshit and that he walks around like his old Cleveland Browns fans with a brown paper bag on his head.

8/31/2010 12:30:22 PM

Butch or any coach can't have his dick sucked for high graduation rates and not get slammed when something goes bad academically.

8/31/2010 12:48:08 PM

^ this.

8/31/2010 1:09:00 PM

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"Isn't that the same thing I said? That the hiring of the tutor originated from BD's side and not the academic support office's side?"

she was already employed by the school as a tutor when she was recommended to butch.

8/31/2010 1:33:13 PM

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"you would seriously fire a coach for something he realistically has no control over? "

isn't that pretty much the definition of "lack of institutional control?"

8/31/2010 1:58:34 PM

the players are repeatedly told what is and isn't allowable, tutors are instructed on what is and isn't allowable, they sign an academic integrity pledge, and they're interviewed at the end of the year about any possible transgressions that might've occured. beyond that, what exactly is the coach supposed to do

8/31/2010 2:03:17 PM

Stingray, unfortunately for you, you're part of the under 35 crowd at UNC that doesn't make any decisions, and are pretty much irrelevant to the university's line of thinking. The high ups, at the minimum, are furious over the publicity this is getting, even if it comes out that cheating never happened, all the players make striaght A's on their own, and volunteer at the food bank 20 hours a month coupled with serving at the local soup kitchen.

Let me rephrase, all of this stuff on ESPN, the internet, newspapers, etc is lighting a fire under the blue bloods in Chapel Hill. Has this been made clear for the younger, (i.e. the ones that have no idea how the real world works) crowd? Ole Butch Davis, in what, 3 years, has soiled the image of UNC more than anyone or anything has in the last 50 years. And in that 50 years, many, many hours were spent building their name up, while tearing down any and every other school's name not in the Ivy League. WHat's gone on in Davis' time, regardless of what he saw first hand, is unacceptable to the decision makers, there has already been 7 weeks of the UNC name being dragged through the mud. That in itself, is worthy of termination for Davis. When will it happen, don't know, but if he's the head coach next Spring, I'll be surprised.

So to sum up, Butch Davis is, IS already guilty of bringing on close ot two months of daily headlines and negative pubclitiy. Is it justified, the Ram's club will respond with "Who cares, pack your bags."

8/31/2010 2:12:11 PM

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"the players are repeatedly told what is and isn't allowable, tutors are instructed on what is and isn't allowable, they sign an academic integrity pledge, and they're interviewed at the end of the year about any possible transgressions that might've occured. beyond that, what exactly is the coach supposed to do"

Monitor their compliance with all that shit?

8/31/2010 2:13:44 PM

i can see i'm fighting a losing battle (as I was certain I would anyway). i'll bow out and you may continue with the mudslinging

8/31/2010 2:15:37 PM

Gee, I suppose he could get one of those squirt bottles and spray them with water every time he hears about an academic integrity violation.

...or, you know, actually use the powers he holds as coach to encourage the players on his team to not get the university involved in a scandal. There's a difference between informing players of the rules and enforcing those rules.

8/31/2010 2:17:19 PM

i agree that student-athletes have a mind of their own and don't have someone watching 24/7, i'm just saying that if your program is full of transgressions, the NCAA doesn't buy the "but we told them not to cheat" defense

thus the term "lack of institutional control"

just wanna throw in here the extreme hilarity of the UNCCH admin at that press conference repeatedly saying "student-athletes" . . . during a PC about how they were being investigated for cheating. as if the term isn't laughable enough to begin with, i mean let's face it, we were forcefed a year of special ESPN coverage on craig krenzel because he could figure out how to light a bunsen burner

[Edited on August 31, 2010 at 2:24 PM. Reason : 3]

8/31/2010 2:17:46 PM

^^ ok i can't resist. how would any of the coaches know to enforce anything? i highly doubt the players and tutor are gonna go running to an authority figure about breaking the honor code

8/31/2010 2:22:05 PM

No one is saying the head coach has to spend all day keeping tabs on every single player, that's why there are assistants and assistant coaches. All of this stuff is blatantly out in the open, there is NO excuse for not being aware of at least some of it. The Marvin Austin twitter stuff is the most ridiculous... the fact that Marvin twittered about so much over the top stuff proves that either a) no one is monitoring what student athletes are saying online or b) no one cares. If Butch didn't communicate that to the people under him who are monitoring things, at the very LEAST telling someone "don't let Marvin touch a computer again" after everything blew up, then he doesn't care. Either way, ultimately it's on him.

If Valvano got canned because he "should have known" about players selling shoes and tickets twenty years ago, Butch "should have known" about all the dumb shit his players were twittering about.

Cheating is a harder thing to "know about" as a head coach, but he did at one point employ the tutor. The biggest thing in my mind is how or why the tutor took on so much additional work for her measly $10 an hour or whatever those tutors get and how she had enough time to juggle tutoring ANOTHER kid (Butch's). I really think Butch knew something, if not directly paying her "extra" for tutoring his "son".

[Edited on August 31, 2010 at 2:26 PM. Reason : ...]

8/31/2010 2:22:35 PM

I think you guysare forgetting about the tutors affair with butch

8/31/2010 2:26:28 PM

This is what happens when half of your recruiting class are classified as academic exceptions.

8/31/2010 2:28:53 PM

^I was gonna say the same thing. Davis might not be able to actively stop the guys from cheating, but he's the one that brought them to campus to start with.

8/31/2010 2:35:47 PM

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8/31/2010 2:38:30 PM