34 game losing streak

12/19/2011 4:58:15 PM

What's with this guy always posting the page number on the top of every thread with some negative remark? What does it do for him? i don't get it.

12/19/2011 5:07:28 PM

It's a credibility watch thread. The fact that it exists is entirely negative. I'm still ashamed that the community at large has accepted that these are ok to have.

12/19/2011 5:29:32 PM

^ In all fairness I get the credit.

Everyone was sucking Sid's nutsac off after our ACC tourney and NIT run at the end of year one.

Then we lost one of the worst games ever in season 2 to LA-Lafayette which was basically proof Sidney wasn't a good head coach. I got flamed for the first few pages from everyone saying it was a fluke loss when it obviously wasn't.

The weird thing was that when Sid finally began turning the program around bringing in loads of talent we had a death knell injury to Tracy Smith and everyone turned on him. In the end the pressure just destroyed the team and it turned out Sidney wasn't making guys prepare and that the mounting losses had just spread disease throughout the program.

Now, we have a legit head coach and we all knew we were less than 50-50 to make the tournament this year. Except for the crazy fans who have no understanding of reality who were promoting us as a top ACC team and we'd make the tournament "just watch" with all their stupid predictions.

Well, they get a chop. Our team is okay this year but it's destined to underachieve because while we've got talent we still haven't treated the infection which is losing. Losing breeds losing and our guys still play losing basketball.

Next year is the year. We're a tourney team no doubt. This year is a building block and it will be painful to watch. But enough fucking negativity. We are who we thought we were this year. Next year hopefully we won't let them off the hook.

12/19/2011 5:43:50 PM

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"Next year is the year."

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"This year is a building block and it will be painful to watch. "

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"We are who we thought we were this year. Next year hopefully we won't let them off the hook."

-every NC State fan ever, 1984-present

here's why credibility threads exist: NEXT YEAR NEVER COMES

and don't give me that Herb bullshit. 1 Sweet Sixteen, no ACC titles, couldn't beat tar holes unless they were coached by doherty, couldn't beat duke

12/19/2011 5:49:50 PM

I wasn't even focused on the negativity. I'm trying to understand the thrill of being the first poster on the top of the page.

12/19/2011 5:51:24 PM

oh, that's to show amac how it's done. submarine sandwich mod my ass

12/19/2011 5:51:59 PM

i'm still waiting on qntm to crunch some numbers...WATCH YOUR BACK Førte

12/19/2011 7:03:39 PM

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"I'm trying to understand the thrill of being the first poster on the top of the page."

There's a thin line between being a nobody and a somebody. That line is the 49th/50th post.

12/19/2011 8:35:30 PM

fix the html dummy

12/19/2011 8:37:27 PM

i like how NCStatePride came in here acting like he was defending against this cabal of Lowe supports when nobody had mentioned Lowe since 12/4 before him.

way to lose an argument against a non-existent enemey

[Edited on December 19, 2011 at 9:10 PM. Reason : way to break the thread amac884]

12/19/2011 8:59:26 PM

I don't think anyone was expecting us to go to the NCAAs right away. We just said we should show improvement this year and we have. At this point, I would be happy with 8-8 in a terrible ACC and make a NIT run. 10-6 though is possible in what could be the worst ACC I can remember.

12/19/2011 9:43:25 PM

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"Then we lost one of the worst games ever in season 2 to LA-Lafayette which was basically proof Sidney wasn't a good head coach."

It was U. of New Orleans, wasn't it?

12/20/2011 9:37:47 AM

face credibility watch

12/20/2011 9:40:19 AM

we beat LA-Lafayette, but it was closer than comfortable

they had a guy that scored like 30-somethin

12/20/2011 9:42:18 AM

ecu and/or uno

12/20/2011 9:45:06 AM

rwoody, I mentioned "last season" without talking about Lowe to make a point about improvement. The only comment I made about Sidney was a response to BanjoMan's post (second from the top on page 33) about seeing a "credibility swing happen with Lowe". I wasn't arguing anything about Lowe, just comparing the different circumstances.

12/20/2011 11:34:23 AM

Førte has a good point about the WTNY, but the difference is the state of the program. Valvano came into the program after a period of success in Raleigh. Gottfried did not. Hell, for that matter, it took Herb a while to get warm. I'm not saying we should be giving anyone the 5-year Herb mulligan tenure, but you can't really help but be in WTNY mode for results this season.

If we go 8-8 in the ACC, that would be the best ACC record we've had since 2005 (we went 10-5 in the conference and 22-10 overall).

12/20/2011 11:41:43 AM

The talent level inherited by Gott is pretty good. Not like he's walking in to Ishua Benjamin or Ron Kelly being the go to guy... The roster is decently stacked with 4 and 5 star talent.

12/20/2011 11:58:47 AM

the talent is top heavy but yes, he isn't exactly rolling out what tom crean inherited at indiana

there is no excuse for our defense being as shitty as it is

12/20/2011 12:05:14 PM

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"The talent level inherited by Gott is pretty good. Not like he's walking in to Ishua Benjamin or Ron Kelly being the go to guy... The roster is decently stacked with 4 and 5 star talent."

Not to be a stickler, but those two players were very highly recruited.

The Kelley class ranked in the top 5.

12/20/2011 12:18:32 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, and i know it's just "staaahs", but we only have three 4/5*s right? (Howell, Brown and Leslie, and Painter was at one point).

12/20/2011 12:19:14 PM

My point is that the talent from last year was never refined into something workable in a real system. The previous system was very NBA-like in that it relied on individual talents more than a solid offensive/defensive "system". Sendek was not a "great" coach (a "good" one, but not great)... but he did have a system (that bastardized Princeton offense) and his players did attempt to play in it. What Gottfried has is a ton of potential, but potential doesn't win championships.

Basically, yes we have a lot of talent on our team, but just throwing the stars out there and saying "we have 4/5 star players" doesn't mean they can play on a team. Ryan Harrow is a perfect example of that. I think Gottfried has a much better chance of doing something great with these players in the long-run than what Lowe had when he walked in, but speaking of the 2011-2012 season, he has a ton of challenges to face before he can refine this thing into something that's going to start producing wins.

12/20/2011 12:33:10 PM

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"but he did have a system (that bastardized Princeton offense)"

Oh, OK

[Edited on December 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM. Reason : Seriously who are you trying to convince? No one thinks Lowe is a better coach than Gottfried]

12/20/2011 12:37:37 PM

(Harrow actually had a pretty good freshman campaign. He wasn't a star, but it was obvious that he is going to be a good player. I can only imagine that all the PPers who now dog him are just bitter because they are eating sour grapes)

12/20/2011 12:38:34 PM

I like Gottfried and thought Lowe was awful. Not sure who you're arguing with and what about. Just saying he didn't arrive at a barren basketball wilderness as far as talent.

[Edited on December 20, 2011 at 12:41 PM. Reason : To ncsuprise]

12/20/2011 12:41:22 PM

.....again, it has nothing to do with convincing anyone of what Lowe was or was not capable of. You can't talk about Gottfried's current coaching climate without bringing up Lowe because Lowe's team is exactly what Gottfried has to work with just like how people couldn't talk about O'Brien the first couple of years without mentioning Amato. This assertion that I'm trying to "convince" anyone about Lowe is just Ernie eating crow because he's upset that he tried proving a point with a bunch of useless names and player classes on the last page.

I'm fully aware that (almost) everyone agrees that Lowe was a terrible coach.

12/20/2011 12:48:10 PM

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"You can't talk about Gottfried's current coaching climate without bringing up Lowe"

We were actually doing a pretty good job of that until yesterday.

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"This assertion that I'm trying to "convince" anyone about Lowe is just Ernie eating crow because he's upset that he tried proving a point with a bunch of useless names and player classes on the last page."

You are not good at making coherent points.

[Edited on December 20, 2011 at 12:51 PM. Reason : ]

12/20/2011 12:50:03 PM

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"We were actually doing a pretty good job of that until yesterday."

12/13/2011 at 6:12PM, BanjoMan posted this question: "Didn't this same credibility swing happen with Lowe?" That was the first mention of Lowe.

Then at 9:57AM yesterday I responded that the situations surrounding Lowe were completely different from those surrounding Gottfried at the bottom of my post.

Where you are getting that I started some argument regarding Lowe being a better or worse coach than Gottfried is completely beyond me.

12/20/2011 1:02:26 PM

HOLY SHIT THIS THREAD IS A FUCKING ABORTION, PLEASE BIN IT ALREADY

12/20/2011 1:02:59 PM

Gottfried's dad was a college basketball coach and his uncle, who's now an ESPN analyst, was a college football coach. Gottfried's birthday is very close to mine.

12/20/2011 1:10:04 PM

Timestamps ITT

[Edited on December 20, 2011 at 9:09 PM. Reason : no autoplay ಠ_ಠ]

12/20/2011 1:21:37 PM

I wasn't trying to stir some shit up, I just remember everyone being pleased but I was curious if the atmosphere was the same or if people back then when Lowe got hired were trying to warn us of imminent doom.

BTW, what is that huge piece of bling on Gott's ring finger? Is that his wedding band? That has to be the biggest, most blingiest wedding band I ever did see.

[Edited on December 20, 2011 at 1:38 PM. Reason : df]

12/20/2011 1:34:18 PM

Man oh man, can you relate?

12/20/2011 1:39:01 PM

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"but I was curious if the atmosphere was the same or if people back then when Lowe got hired were trying to warn us of imminent doom."

There isn't exactly 'data' to back any of this up, but from what I recall, Lowe's real turning point was his second season. His first season he was being given a lot of passes because even though he had 'developed' players from the last coaching staff, they were use to a different system. His run in the ACCT gave people hope. The worst team he lost to was Cinncinati. Everyone else that season had a final RPI in the top 50 or 60 teams (AKA, mostly NCAA tournament teams.

After the New Orleans game in the 2006-2007 season, there was a lot of complaining, but the real death nail was finishing the season 4-12 in the ACC, most of those coming from a 8 or 9 game losing streak to end the season (I can't recall the exact number off the top of my head). I'd say after year 2, most people were still giving Lowe a fighting chance. I wouldn't expect many people to treat Gottfried much differently, especially if he is able to finish the season 8-8 in the conference.

Like I said before, 8-8 in the ACC would be better than we've been since 2005 so it would be pretty hard for Gottfried to make too many enemies here his first season given the current state of the ACC.

12/20/2011 3:13:49 PM

thanks for your new and refreshing take

12/20/2011 3:21:54 PM

Fucking suspend this guy already

He is a blight on our fair forum

12/20/2011 3:22:54 PM

I seriously don't get it. I completely get that you don't have anything to add to the conversation, but are so wrapped up in a pissing contest that you can't let something go, but come on... Someone asks a sports question and I respond to it with sports information and that is grounds for trolling? Seriously, get the fuck over it, Ernie. This isn't Chit Chat.

12/20/2011 3:27:15 PM

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"BTW, what is that huge piece of bling on Gott's ring finger? Is that his wedding band? That has to be the biggest, most blingiest wedding band I ever did see."

I'm pretty sure that's his NCAA championship ring from when he was on the coaching staff at UCLA when they won it back in 1995.

We aren't used to see that kind of jewelry around here.

12/20/2011 3:35:35 PM

(sidney and towe had that kind of jewelry)

12/20/2011 3:37:53 PM

(herb didn't have that kind of jewelry)

Gottfried's credibility gets a huge plus for his staff's history in winning titles. Gott was an assistant on a UCLA NC team. His assistants have never coaches a NC team, but Moxley was an assistant for 2 conference titles (at Charlotte), Bobby Lutz was assistant for 1 title and head coach for 3 titles at Charlotte, and Orlando Early was an assistant for a title at Western and 2 titles at Charlotte.

Mostly in C-USA as a part of the Bobby Lutz tenure, but still nice to know we have a staff that actually has a history bringing hardware back home.

12/20/2011 3:51:23 PM

Playing neck-and-neck with an A-10 team, -1 Credible.

Winning a game with a tied score at 3.1 seconds left in a game, +1 Credible.

12/20/2011 9:07:09 PM

-1 Not having people in rebounding position on the AJ FT on the 1 and 1.

12/20/2011 9:09:35 PM

^^The same A-10 that has a top ten team?

We were 1.5 underdogs, this was a good win.

[Edited on December 20, 2011 at 9:13 PM. Reason : 87th in kenpom, and it was in Rochestor, damn man give us some credit]

12/20/2011 9:11:41 PM

+1 credibility for scott wood having a good game that didnt involve hitting a ton of 3s

-1 for howell. just in general

12/20/2011 9:12:05 PM

lo needs to learn to hold onto the ball. his turnover rate is unacceptable, avg'ing over 3 per

12/20/2011 9:18:33 PM

^^^I didn't say it wasn't a good win. It will be great for our RPI. Still, we had a lot of opportunities to make this a much more definitive win. Turnovers are what gave that 8-point lead at the 5 minutes mark in the first half up against a team that has lost to Arkansas St and is currently 5-5 after tonight's game.

So.... yeah, I think it's fair game to say -1 for not putting this one away against this team when we could have. But your point is still understood. It's definitely a "good win".

12/20/2011 9:19:45 PM

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"-1 for howell. just in general"

Wat? He had 13 boards and a near double double. Lawd our fans is the suck sometimes.

12/20/2011 9:24:28 PM

Save the player bashing for the chop thread.

12/20/2011 9:25:17 PM

^^Was about to post the same thing. Howell didn't have his best game or anything, but he was solid. Did a very good job rebounding.

12/20/2011 10:00:11 PM