You "don't see" the evidence because you're either blind or intentionally not looking at the evidence. Or you're lying.

9/29/2005 10:54:34 AM

no, its because its not evidence that proves anything...they're just theories...sure maybe my preconceptions are that the planes' exploding caused the eventual collapse of the buildings...but your preconceptions are conspiracy theory all the way...i believe in plenty of conspiracy theories but that doesnt mean everything is a conspiracy...sometimes things are how they appear

9/29/2005 10:58:46 AM

Calling FACTS or attempts to INVESTIGATE FACTS "conspiracy theories" is merely a childish attempt to discredit facts and factual investigations.

LOOK AT THIS EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY.

Worker in one of the twin towers discusses explosion on the 8th floor
short video clip: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.eight.floor.big.explosion..wmv

Another worker in the twin towers states "when we get to the lobby, there was this big explosion"
short video clip: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.lobby.big.explosion.wmv

Construction worker discusses explosions in the sub-basement of tower 1
short video clip: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.1.basement.morelli.wmv

One ABC reporter stated it looked like a controlled demolition
short video clip: http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.abc.demolition.team.wmv


[Edited on September 29, 2005 at 11:09 AM. Reason : 4]

9/29/2005 11:04:54 AM

So why would explosions in the bottom of the building create a top to bottom collapse?

9/29/2005 2:04:30 PM

cause that's how the "real-world" physics work. the physics we learn in school is all apart of the conspiracy to hide the real truth. same goes for engineering. the only people who know the real physics and engineering facts and theories are members of the elitest/jew/mediacontrolled/NWO/zionist government.

9/29/2005 2:07:08 PM

^^^i dont see any FACTS...all i see is "eyewitness accounts" or "possibilties" or "expert opinions"

show me a videotape of the explosives being planted and another video of someone setting those bombs off

or you could show me some type of legal document that proves what you're trying to say

but dont act like construction workers and abc reporters' opinions are FACTS

cause they're NOT

9/29/2005 2:08:13 PM

Using this logic...

Quote :

"Many people say approaching tornadoes sound like a freight train."

http://www.redcross.org/services/disaster/keepsafe/tornado.html

Based on eyewitness testimony, ALL TORNADOES ARE ACTUALLY FREIGHT TRAINS.

9/29/2005 2:13:33 PM

you idiots know that this thread only keeps going because you argue with him.

I just can't believe that this may be one of the longest continually running threads on TWW.

9/29/2005 2:17:32 PM

No, he continually posts whatever he reads on prisonplanet.com. No one else bttt's this thread every other day.

9/29/2005 2:19:16 PM

Quote :

"show me a videotape of the explosives being planted and another video of someone setting those bombs off "

Is that your burden of proof? You have to have a video of the criminals committing the crime? Do you realize that if this was the burden of proof required, you could hardly convict any person who committed a crime?

[Edited on September 29, 2005 at 3:09 PM. Reason : 1]

9/29/2005 2:58:15 PM

More video evidence of bombs in the WTC towers...

Reporter describes explosion just before tower collapse
http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.2.wmv

Witness stating he heard explosions and then three thuds just before collapse
http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.1.wmv

Firefighter discussing "heavy duty explosion"
http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/heavy.duty.explosion.wmv

Witness interviewed on television stating "it sounded like gunfire . . . . bang bang bang bang bang . . . and then three big explosions"
http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.2.wmv

MSNBC reporter stated "I heard a second explosion" around 10:30am
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.msnbc.2.wmv

Same reporter stated that the force of the explosions overturned cars and set them on fire
http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.ann.thompson.cars.wmv

[Edited on September 29, 2005 at 3:02 PM. Reason : 1]

9/29/2005 3:01:38 PM

how bout u edit ur post instead of makin a new post?

9/29/2005 3:02:29 PM

what do you care?

9/29/2005 3:03:20 PM

tww etiquette..no need to be an ass about it.

9/29/2005 3:05:43 PM

i like how salisburyboy puts all types of faith for his so-called "facts" in eyewitness accounts of what average joe's thought

"Uh, duh-hur, we was watchin the buildings, hur, and uh, there were some splosions, sounded like a train"

9/29/2005 3:14:59 PM

Yeah, tell me about it. It's just CRAZY to use eyewitness testimony as evidence. I mean, who does that? What's that? Courts of law? Well, SO WHAT?! I say that using eyewitnesses is CRAAAAZZZZZY! Only "conspiracy theorist whacko nutjobs" use eyewitness testimony as evidence! Why?! Because I said so! That's why!

9/29/2005 3:28:14 PM

so eyewitness testimony is never wrong? i remember reading about a psychology study that was done with a group of people: different ages, races and backgrounds. they were subjected to a series of events and were asked to recall in as much detail as they could about the events they were subjected to. what's interesting about this study was that it proved as time went on, the recollection of those events became even fuzzier and the participants started to insert "facts" that never happened or were never apart of it. so, let's blindly trust these eyewitnesses, they must be completely right!

also, we must not forget this:

Quote :

"Using this logic... Quote : "Many people say approaching tornadoes sound like a freight train." http://www.redcross.org/services/disaster/keepsafe/tornado.html Based on eyewitness testimony, ALL TORNADOES ARE ACTUALLY FREIGHT TRAINS. "

[Edited on September 29, 2005 at 3:34 PM. Reason : .]

9/29/2005 3:32:11 PM

http://www.space.com/news/stories_september_11-1.html

Quote :

" Eyewitness: The World Trade Center By Fred Abatemarco Editor in Chief, SPACE.com posted: 30 June 2005 05:46 am NEW YORK -- I was uncharacteristically early for my meeting yesterday at Battery Park in lower Manhattan, some five blocks south of the World Trade Center. I typically take the Number 1 or 9 IRT subway to Rector Street, emerging literally in the shadow of the twin towers, and then walk south a few blocks. Biding my time at the Long Island Railroad station at 34th Street, I went street-side to a bank, then tried to make a cell phone call or two. The cell calls did not go through. I thought little of this at the time. One or two emergency vehicles zoomed south on 7th Avenue, but that didn't seem unusual, either. Until one police cruiser, speeding east on 34th Street, turned south on 7th Avenue, furiously weaving and dodging traffic with tires squealing on the turn. The digital clock above the entrance to Penn Station read 9:08am. ... Reports added that there was a fire on the Washington mall. On the screen was the same otherworldly view that held my gaze on the street. Smoke and flame poured from the World Trade Center buildings in an eerie silence. It seemed like a science fiction movie. "

HOLLYWOOD JEWS USE 9/11 AS A MOST AWESOME SET FOR THEIR NEXT SCI-FI MOVIE

[Edited on September 29, 2005 at 5:27 PM. Reason : link]

9/29/2005 5:25:21 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/30/nyregion/30wire-chaplain.html

Quote :

"FDNY Chaplain Resigns After Remarks About 9/11 Conspiracy Theory September 30, 2005 NEW YORK (AP) -- The fire department's Muslim chaplain abruptly resigned Friday after saying in a published interview that a conspiracy, not 19 al-Qaida hijackers, may have been responsible for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "It became clear to him that he would have difficulty functioning as an FDNY chaplain," Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta told reporters an hour before Imam Intikab Habib was to be officially sworn in. "There has been no prior indication that he held those views." Habib told Newsday that he was skeptical of the official version of the attack on the World Trade Center, which killed 343 members of the Fire Department of New York. The newspaper published the interview hours before the swearing-in ceremony Friday."

"Resigned" huh. Yeah, right. This guy was forced out.

9/30/2005 4:08:12 PM

forced out for being fucking retarded

9/30/2005 4:11:34 PM

the other reply i considered:

i wish we could force you out...













of life

9/30/2005 4:12:01 PM

Quote :

"It became clear to him that he would have difficulty functioning as an FDNY chaplain," Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta told reporters an hour before Imam Intikab Habib was to be officially sworn in."

if he was "forced" to leave, here is why.

9/30/2005 4:13:53 PM

Quote :

"The fire department's Muslim chaplain "

i guess its out of the realm of possibility that he claimed the towers may have gone down via a conspiracy to attempt to give a positive light to his fellow Muslims right

9/30/2005 4:16:44 PM

ok so i just tuned into this thread

somebody summarize 35 pages real quick

9/30/2005 9:56:53 PM

salisburyboy posts personal/blog type/biased links deemed as "fact" by him and his other conspiracy buddies. these links have no evidence substantially provided; all that is provided is mere speculation and a whole lot of false info. he tries to convince people of holeless, uncredited, unprofessional info and when contradicted by real info he proclaims it as part of the grand conspiracy since he and his buddies are the only ones who know the real "truth." the rest of the thread is people making fun of him or poking holes in anythin he posts by real, credible facts.

10/1/2005 2:10:19 AM

More videos of witnesses describing explosive in the twin towers:

"All of a sudden I heard a roar and I saw one of the towers blow ...
I saw from street level as though it exploded up, a giant rolling ball of flame..."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.carol.marin.wmv

"We really never even got that close to the building. The explosion blew and it knocked everybody over."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.the.explosion.blew.wmv


source:

The OEM Issued a WTC Collapse Warning
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/oem_wtc.html

10/5/2005 12:57:33 PM

CNN Continues The 911 Coverup -- CNN discontinues production of 9/11 documentary "America Remembers"
http://www.rense.com/general67/CNNcontinuesthe911.htm

Quote :

"A CNN DVD called "America Remembers" was a main source of original footage for these documentaries. In at least one of the documentaries (In Plane Site) the director holds up a copy of this DVD and suggests that you go and acquire a copy and see for yourself."

10/10/2005 8:53:51 AM

Quote :

"I'll tell you what I think"

so now what 1 person "thinks" is considered the truth

Quote :

"The fact that CNN discontinued their DVD speaks volumes to me."

evidently it ONLY speaks volumes to him.

10/10/2005 9:27:32 AM

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/111005pNAC.htm

Quote :

"PNAC Executive Director and Neo-Con/Nazi Propagandist Called 'Real Terrorist' Behind 9/11 Greg Szymanski | 11 Oct 2005 The head of a dangerous ultra-conservative Washington think tank is now going public to defend the neo-con’s perverted war strategy, taking his “dog and pony show” on the road Tuesday where he will be speaking at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee campus. Dr. Gary Schmitt, executive director of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), the Nazi/neo-con radical rightwing group that called for a “New Pearl Harbor” in September 2000, is stepping-up the Bush administration’s propaganda pitch to justify the spread of global war and terror. But local citizens and students are trying to stop the neo-con propaganda message in its tracks by threatening to perform a citizen’s arrest on Schmitt, calling him a traitor and “the real leader of the terrorist organization within our government” that planned the 9/11 attacks, killing 3,000 Americans in the process. “In it’s document ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses’ of September 2000, PNAC called for a massive military budget increases, a policy of pre-emptive war, including using Saddam Hussein as an excuse to invade the Iraqi oil fields and stepped up intervention around the world,” said a spokesman for “Flush Pee-NAC,” the local Wisconsin group threatening to arrest Schmitt before the speech. “But PNAC also noted that these goals would be extremely difficult to accomplish absent some galvanizing event like a new Pearl Harbor which occurred on 9/11.” Although millions in America now view the Iraqi war as a mistake and Al Qaeda as a Bush-neo-con myth created to instill fear, Schmitt is still trying to convince Americans of the administration’s “good intentions” in the face of dwindling support for the war and other Bush policies, both home and abroad."

10/11/2005 10:01:27 AM

I'm kind of out of the loop here...in 35 pages did we ever determine what really happened on September 11, 2001?

10/11/2005 10:07:44 AM

Yes. Criminal elements within and controlling the U.S. government at the very least allowed the 9/11 attacks to occur, as evidenced by the stand down of military aircraft on the morning of 9/11 and the subsequent cover up of the truth about what really happened (including the controlled demolition of WTC Building 7 and the twin towers). The Zionist PNAC/Neocons (and their controllers) close to the Bush administration needed an excuse to wage war in the middle east and implement a police state crackdown in the U.S. It is documented that the U.S. was amassing troops outside of Afghanistan prior to 9/11 and was planning an attack on Afghanistan prior to 9/11. Israeli Mossad was instrumental in the 9/11 attacks, including framing the 19 so-called "hijackers" (many of whom turned out to still be alive after 9/11). The Osama bin Laden tapes purported to prove his guilt have in fact turned out to be fakes, including tapes of men impersonating bin Laden and tapes of the real bin Laden that are mistranslated to frame him as taking credit for the attacks.

All this is documented.

Here's a great article on the Israeli/Zionist/Mossad Connection and who is really behind the 9/11 attacks. It's long but well worth the read.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm


[Edited on October 11, 2005 at 10:48 AM. Reason : 3]

10/11/2005 10:43:34 AM

heres your proof salsburyboy is right about everything:

10/11/2005 11:25:57 AM

Well, here's documentation/proof of the plans to invade Afghanistan prior to 9/11.


A battle plan for Afghanistan was being reviewed by the US Command 4 MONTHS before the attacks on 9/11...

Sydney Morning Herald: "Defence redefined means securing cheap energy"
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/25/1040511092926.html

Quote :

""As far back as 1975, Henry Kissinger, then secretary of state, said America was prepared to wage war over oil. Separate plans advocating US conquest of Saudi oilfields were published in the '70s. So it should come as little surprise that in May last year - four months before the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York - a battle plan for Afghanistan was already being reviewed by the US Command that would carry it out after September 11. Military strategists were highlighting the energy wealth of the Caspian Sea and Central Asia and its importance to America's "security"."

Here's more confirmation:

BBC-"US 'planned attack on Taleban'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

Quote :

"A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks."

MSNBC: "U.S. planned for attack on al-Qaida: White House given strategy two days before Sept. 11"
http://prisonplanet.com/US_planned_for_attack_on_al-Qaida.htm

Quote :

"WASHINGTON, May 16 — President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaida two days before Sept. 11 but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, U.S. and foreign sources told NBC News."

Wow! Just 2 days before 9/11. What a "coincidence"!


more:
Pre-Sept. 11 plan to invade Afghanistan
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#preplan

[Edited on October 11, 2005 at 11:43 AM. Reason : 1]

10/11/2005 11:40:37 AM

the proof is in the camel toe

10/11/2005 12:42:15 PM

Quote :

"All this is documented."

haha yea documented by uneducated, unsubstantiated, unverifed, holeless sources. this thread has done nothing but poke holes in everything you have provided us yet you still refuse to open YOUR eyes. you blame us for not opening our's but in actuality your eyes have been shut since day one. you never once tried to understand or comprehend what we posted to counter and deflect your claims. what disproved your theories you would contribute to entities that are part of the grand conspiracy including engineers/scientists/technicians; even though these men have the education and training to properly voice themselves and their findings. you simply choose to ignore SCIENTIFIC FACT over BLURRY PICTURES and mere speculations. has anything been proven in this thread about what actually happened on that day? it has been proven that we can counter anything you post with real, credible, scientific facts. what shames me the most about all this is that you have a civil engineering degree. one would think with that degree you would be one to understand the most about the importance of science and fact. i guess not.

10/11/2005 12:49:52 PM

^
LOL. That's a riot.

10/11/2005 12:56:58 PM

you are the riot...and the fact you simply shrug it off and say nothing proves everything i said.

10/11/2005 12:58:50 PM

Quote :

"the fact you simply shrug it off and say nothing proves everything i said"

Ahahahaha. What a joke. I laughed off what you said because it was pure rubbish. It was completely ridiculous. A bunch of lies that anyone with a brain who has seriously followed 9/11 could clearly see were lies.

For starters, brianj320, why don't you show us how I'm wrong in saying that WTC 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition.


Here is evidence CONCLUSIVELY PROVING WTC Building #7 (which collapsed around 5:20pm on 9/11) was brought down in a controlled demolition...

WTC Complex Leaseholder Larry Silverstein admits in PBS documentary that WTC 7 was brought down in controlled demolition:

1 minute video clip: http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

Watch the demolition charges going off at the top right of WTC 7 in the following video clip:
http://www.infowars.com/Video/911/WTC7COLLAPSE2.WMV


"Pull" and "pull it" are industry terms for triggering a controlled demolition. To make this perfectly clear, here is another video clip from the same PBS documentary where the term "pull" is used to describe beginning a controlled demolition on WTC Building 6.

video: http://thewebfairy.com/911/pullit/pull-it2_lo.wmv


Excellent websites on WTC Building 7:
http://www.wtc7.net/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

[Edited on October 11, 2005 at 1:06 PM. Reason : 1]

10/11/2005 1:06:04 PM

if u ever even bothered to read what people post, i agreed with u that WTC7 was brought down in a controlled demo; it was done because of the structural integrity of the building being compromised. i know it was brought down, people know it was brought down, it was shown on local news up north being brought down. i never once argued with you that it wasnt brought down. but yet here you are trying to claim something that isnt true.

10/11/2005 1:08:53 PM

Weeellll! Forgive me for forgetting that you agreed with me that WTC 7 was brought down in a controlled demoltion. Oh, and by the way, why is the government lying about the cause of the collapse of WTC 7? Why did the FEMA report lie and say the cause of the collapse of WTC 7 was "unknown"? Why is the mainstream media silent on WTC 7? Why haven't they told the truth about it? Why is the government and mainstream media continuing to cover up the truth?

Just a few logical questions. But I'm sure you'll say those questions don't matter. I mean, so what if the government lied and is covering up the truth.

Quote :

"brianj320: this thread has done nothing but poke holes in everything you have provided us yet you still refuse to open YOUR eyes"

Well, I guess that "everything" didn't include me saying that WTC 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition.


[Edited on October 11, 2005 at 1:16 PM. Reason : 1]

10/11/2005 1:15:41 PM

Quote :

"ell, I guess that "everything" didn't include me saying that WTC 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition."

yes let's focus on the technicalities. good job.

Quote :

"Why is the mainstream media silent on WTC 7? "

there's nothing for the mainstream media to report. it's an insignificant issue now. it was brought down to protect the workers and rescue personel at ground zero. and as to why its not in the FEMA report? i have no idea, i'm not an employee with FEMA.

[Edited on October 11, 2005 at 1:19 PM. Reason : .]

10/11/2005 1:16:32 PM

Quote :

"yes let's focus on the technicalities. good job"

Ahahaha. What a joke. Just brush off that you are wrong and call it a "technicality."

I thought you were suggesting that "EVERYTHING" I have provided was wrong.

10/11/2005 1:20:51 PM

i'm not wrong. i simply forgot what your position was on that matter. once u said that then obviously it's not everything. everything - 1 thing = mostly everything. so i correct myself and now say mostly everything you have provided has been proven wrong, which it has. but you can argue symantics all you want; you wont get anywhere.

10/11/2005 1:24:51 PM

attacking word choice and specific details is common among people that are afraid to argue a real point

10/11/2005 1:25:19 PM

It's not like I'm arguing technicalities or just 1 little issue. Not only am I right about WTC 7 being brought down in a controlled demoltion. I'm right about many other things about 9/11, including the fact that many of the bin laden tapes are frauds, many of the so-called "hijackers" were alive after 9/11, the U.S. was planning to invade Afghanistan BEFORE 9/11, there were explosives inside the WTC twin towers, etc.

10/11/2005 1:35:11 PM

law of averages

10/11/2005 1:38:07 PM

Quote :

"A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks.""

we have plans to attack the UK

everyone. just about.

10/11/2005 3:26:10 PM

http://www.rense.com/general68/caseforWTCtower.htm

Quote :

"Case For WTC Tower Demolition Sealed By Griffin Theologian Says Controlled Demolition is Now a Fact, Not a Theory From Kevin Barrett Coordinator MUJCA-NET Muslim-Christian-Jewish Alliance For 911 10-21-5 In two speeches to overflow crowds in New York last weekend, notable theologian David Ray Griffin argued that recently revealed evidence seals the case that the Twin Towers and WTC-7 were destroyed by controlled demolition with explosives. Despite the many enduring mysteries of the 9/11 attacks, Dr. Griffin concluded, "It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government." On Oct. 15th and 16th, New Yorkers filled two venues to hear the prominent theologian and author of two books on 9/11 give a presentation entitled "The Destruction of the Trade Towers: A Christian Theologian Speaks Out." Dr. Griffin has continued to blaze a trail of courage, leading where most media and elected officials have feared to tread. His presentation went straight to the core of one of the most powerful indictments of the official story, the collapse of the towers and WTC 7. Dr. Griffin included excerpts from the firemenís tapes which were recently released as a result of a prolonged court battle led by victimís families represented by attorney Norman Siegel and reported in the NY Times. He also included statements by many witnesses. These sources gave ample testimony giving evidence of explosions going off in the buildings. A 12 minute film was shown for the audiences, who saw for themselves the undeniable evidence for controlled demolition. Dr. Griffin listed ten characteristics of the collapses which all indicate that the buildings did not fall due to being struck by planes or the ensuing fires. He explained the buildings fell suddenly without any indication of collapse. They fell straight into their own footprint at free-fall speed, meeting virtually no resistance as they fell--a physical impossibility unless all vertical support was being progressively removed by explosives severing the core columns. The towers were built to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 and 160 mile per hour winds, and nothing about the plane crashes or ensuing fires gave any indication of causing the kind of damage that would be necessary to trigger even a partial or progressive collapse, much less the shredding of the buildings into dust and fragments that could drop at free-fall speed."

10/24/2005 9:49:57 AM

Quote :

"notable theologian David Ray Griffin argued "

10/24/2005 10:19:46 AM

I'll bet that I can find 2 notable theologians who disagree with David Ray Griffin.

10/24/2005 3:22:24 PM