don't forget the retail big box stores that were pushing blu-ray for the profit

1/9/2008 7:42:45 PM

^^

1/9/2008 7:56:34 PM

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9845372-7.html

this guy knows his shit

and i agree with him 100%

1/9/2008 8:18:11 PM

Quote :

"i can't wait in a few years when the profile 2.0 movies come out.. 75% of the HDM consumers will start bitching about having to spend another $texas on a new player that supports 2.0 movies."

PS3 will allow you to upgrade to 2.0.

Also, now I see why blu ray discs have a 50gb capacity....so they can fit 100 fucking previews on the disc before the feature movie starts. Just got 3:10 to Yuma and I've been watching the disc for almost 30 minutes and have yet to actually get to the Menu or the actual movie.

^^whine? he makes good points...i wouldn't call that whining.

[Edited on January 9, 2008 at 8:25 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2008 8:24:59 PM

^ wow almost none of my HD DVDs have any ads on them at all except the "Welcome to HD DVD" intro that's like 15 seconds long.

1/9/2008 9:35:49 PM

I have 12 blu rays, none of them have adds.

1/9/2008 9:53:07 PM

Well i don't know if you consider trailers ads but i never said ads. They are all blu ray trailers for various movies. To me an ad would be for coke or some shit.

out of the blu ray movies i have pretty much the majority have a shit ton of trailers on them.

and these aren't like the "everything you knew about DVD just got a whole lot better..." trailers either.

[Edited on January 9, 2008 at 10:04 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2008 10:03:39 PM

Quote :

"i can't wait in a few years when the profile 2.0 movies come out.. 75% of the HDM consumers will start bitching about having to spend another $texas on a new player that supports 2.0 movies."

Did 1080i HDTV owners start to bitch about having to spend another $texas on a new 1080p HDTV?

1/10/2008 1:34:40 AM

I'm with El Nacho on this:

Quote :

"I really don't see downloads ever completely taking over physical media just because of people like me that have 400+ DVD collections. I just think there are too many people that want the actual discs to go along with their movies. Sure it's old fashioned, but I still think there's always gonna be a market for non-downloadable movies. At least for the next 20 years or so."

And let's say a HD video download is 2 gigs. The average broadband connection is about 2 megabits, yielding a download rate of about 200 KBps. That'll still take three hours to download. Or maybe a half hour to download the first part and partly stream the rest. I'd much prefer to pop a physical disc I own into a blu-ray player and watch it straight away. Plus having the piece of mind of knowing that if my broadband connection goes down (which is infrequent, but a common enough problem), I can still watch it.

1/10/2008 6:56:06 AM

Uh, I've had Blu-ray's with trailers before, but the real question is why are you watching them? Just hit the skip scene button on the remote until you get to the menu.

1/10/2008 7:21:52 AM

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/video-downloading-content-with-blu-ray-interactive/

1/10/2008 7:49:07 AM

Quote :

"HD DVD was technically superior."

ahaha

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ahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahah

no, i like how you then stated that hd:dvd needed 3x layers to get up to BR levels of storage, you do know that BR has layered discs too that hold even more right? hell the theoretical max of BR is over triple that of HDDVD. (200 vs 60 gb)

1/10/2008 8:43:07 AM

I agree with Shrike.

1/10/2008 9:27:41 AM

picked up The Rock for $19.95 at Best Buy and 3:10 to Yuma for $24.95 at Target. Watched both last night both are awesome. You have to get Best Buy to price match to Targets website. Also if you get 3:10 from Best Buy get them to price match to Target as well and use your reward zone points.

1/10/2008 10:17:51 AM

^^^

You know what's great technology? The whole being able to connect to the internet and download additional content for movies. It's a good thing Sony got to that technology first otherwise they'd be in real troub--

HMMMMM

Quote :

"Did 1080i HDTV owners start to bitch about having to spend another $texas on a new 1080p HDTV?"

This is also a terrible comparison.

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM. Reason : .]

1/10/2008 10:21:59 AM

2.0

1/10/2008 10:26:31 AM

Quote :

"2.0"

Yeah, it's pretty great that after a year and change on the market they've finally caught up.

1/10/2008 10:27:33 AM

market share

1/10/2008 10:31:08 AM

Quote :

"market share"

At first I enjoyed the fact that you decided to make just one or two word posts, since it saved me the trouble of whatever idiocy you were spewing, but now I'm just left not understanding your point anyway.

The more things change, the more they stay the same, I guess.

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

1/10/2008 10:37:57 AM

So apparently some Japanese guy got Transformers converted to Blu-Ray and playing on the PS3. Including all the menus and extra features. The only thing that doesn't work is the subtitles.

http://pocketnews.cocolog-nifty.com/pkns/2008/01/hd_dvdps3_3fd3.html

1/10/2008 11:53:00 AM

Don't know if anyone mentioned this yet:

http://xbox360.gamespy.com/articles/844/844523p1.html

That would be cool.

1/10/2008 12:07:14 PM

which PS3 do i want for bluray? whats the diff? can the 40gig do everythng bluray'wise? what about otherwise?

i might return my hddvdplayer since i got it only a few weeks ago and get a PS3. i have a 12% off coupon too. hrmm.

1/10/2008 12:45:19 PM

If you want to play PS2 games, get the 80gig. If not, get the 40gig. The Blu-ray functionality is identical between the two.

1/10/2008 12:49:55 PM

the 40gb doesn't play PS2 games.

1/10/2008 12:57:52 PM

is that it? (continues searching as well)

1/10/2008 1:00:08 PM

Stein you're going to a awful lot of trouble to defend something that's already lost effectively....

shit, it wasn't even your post

but anyways, it's all mostly over...

1/10/2008 1:14:22 PM

i wondering if it's still possible to return my HDA1 that i bought before thanksgiving

1/10/2008 1:20:49 PM

^ if you have all the packaging...go for it...say you don't have your receipt, and get store credit...also, rather than saying you don't want it or making it clear that you're up on the HDM scene, say it doesn't work with your TV or something so that there's no restocking fee

failing that, go buy another one and return the old (open) one on that receipt a day later with the same excuse (it'll be a bit more believable)...then, return the unopened one for store credit saying you paid cash (they'll take it back with minimal fuss if it's unopened)

1/10/2008 1:23:37 PM

^^funny, Toshiba just released a statement today saying something like "we haven't heard a single report of new adopters returning their hardware".

Maybe someone should point them to TWW.

1/10/2008 2:34:01 PM

^ link? and besides, your quote makes it sound like there were rumblings of faulty hardware or dissatisfaction in the media, which isn't even remotely true...but who wouldn't want to put their ~$200 towards what is obviously the prevailing format if they're going to be an early adopter in the first place?

what an ass.

1/10/2008 2:47:10 PM

^^Is every single post you make required to have a minimum amount of fanboyism in it or something?

Good Christ.

Here's the article he was talking about, btw.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=acj.0C2XlCaI&refer=japan

1/10/2008 2:47:13 PM

sonofabitch.

I called up BestBuy to see if i could return something w/o the UPC since i sent it off for the rebate because i was pretty doubtful. Jennifer there says its "A-OK". triple checked.

I get there and find out Jennifer is a dumbass.

I tried to pawn it off at CC, too, but they wouldnt have it either.

1/10/2008 3:11:52 PM

you used to be able to...it would cancel your rebate processing.

1/10/2008 3:18:11 PM

Yeh, i asked if they could just cancel the rebate and they said nope.

1/10/2008 3:22:36 PM

FS: Toshiba A3 with 300, The Bourne Identity, The Bourne Ultimatum, and Transformers.

I have the original Best Buy receipt as well.

$225

1/10/2008 3:46:38 PM

This article's pretty amusing.

http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13506_1-9847914-17.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

Basically just pisses me off even more that Blu-Ray won.

Quote :

"And while Beeks seemed like he had solid command over the finer points of the movie industry, I was interested to see why his studio chose Blu-ray over the alternative. Expecting the canned answer like, "Well, we thought it was the superior format and I'm happy to say that we were right," you could imagine my surprise when the very first reason he gave was Blu-ray's piracy controls. For those of you who don't know, Blu-ray's piracy controls--largely based on AACS, BD+, and BD-ROM Mark--are easily the most stringent format to date and have only partially been circumvented to this point. Regardless, I was utterly appalled at the thought that with all of its benefits--high-capacity, interesting new features to employ while playing movies, major industry backing--Beeks chose piracy as the first talking point."

1/10/2008 3:49:10 PM

^^ dude i will give you 100 seriously

1/10/2008 3:53:26 PM

Quote :

"^^Is every single post you make required to have a minimum amount of fanboyism in it or something? Good Christ."

take a deep breath, homey. I had just finished reading that article before I read his post. Try to relax, man. It's gonna be OK.

1/10/2008 4:05:56 PM

^ says the one who jumps to tdub to post the minute he finishes reading an article that seems even remotely relevant...did you orgasm the moment you hit "post reply"?

1/10/2008 4:21:59 PM

Quote :

"Report: Universal opts out of HD DVD exclusivity Variety says major Toshiba high-def video player supporter will not renew its sole support of the format when it expires in May. By Tom Magrino, GameSpot Posted Jan 10, 2008 2:15 pm PT Last week, Warner Bros. shook up the next-gen format war with a seemingly impromptu announcement that it would be abandoning Toshiba's HD DVD high-definition video playback format in favor of Sony's Blu-ray standard beginning in May. The blow to HD DVD was followed by a vicious left hook, when the Financial Times revealed that fellow HD DVD supporter Paramount may capitalize on an out clause in its exclusivity contract with Toshiba that specifically pertained to Warner Bros.' defection. Though the Viacom-owned Paramount officially continues to stand by its HD DVD exclusivity decision--as does format supporter Microsoft, despite recent reports that Blu-ray support for the Xbox 360 wasn't out of the question--Universal Studios would be the sole major-studio standard bearer for the HD DVD format. However, it now appears Universal may be readying the haymaker that will down Toshiba's video playback standard for the count. Variety reports that Universal Studios has ended its HD DVD exclusivity deal, though it will continue to only support the format until its current arrangement with Toshiba ends May 31. The report did not indicate whether Universal will exclusively support Sony's Blu-ray format after that date. Speaking to GameSpot, a Universal Studios representative confirmed that, for the time being, the studio will continue to support HD DVD, though they would not say whether Blu-ray support is also on the agenda. Sony's Blu-ray high-def video player, which is prominently advertised as one of the primary draws of the PlayStation 3, enjoys the lion's share of support from major motion picture studios. In addition to Warner Bros., the Walt Disney Company, 20th Century Fox, and Lionsgate all support the format exclusively. New Line Cinema and HBO, both subsidiaries of Time Warner, also reportedly revealed during the 2008 Consumer Electronics Show that they would follow Warner Bros. as Blu-ray exclusive studios. "

1/10/2008 6:56:17 PM

Quote :

"^ says the one who jumps to tdub to post the minute he finishes reading an article that seems even remotely relevant...did you orgasm the moment you hit "post reply"?"

I just thought it was funny, having just read that article, that here I am reading about someone's attempts to return their own HD-DVD player. I wouldn't even had posted about it otherwise, as it's obviously just PR fluff. Relax.

[Edited on January 10, 2008 at 7:22 PM. Reason : d]

1/10/2008 7:21:43 PM

http://www.betanews.com/article/Bluray_Early_adopters_knew_what_they_were_getting_into/1199841379

Quote :

"When BetaNews asked developers of BD Live whether they were concerned about a backlash from early adopters who supported the format from the beginning, we were told: "They knew what they were getting into.""

Quote :

"When BetaNews asked why these manufacturers rushed out players that were not fully capable and potentially buggy due to their BD-J implementation, the Blu-ray partner pointed blame across the room to HD DVD. "We should have waited another year to introduce Blu-ray to the public, but the format war changed the situation," he said. HD DVD was already coming and the BDA had no choice but to launch Blu-ray."

What an awesome group of people.

1/10/2008 11:54:25 PM

Yes

I'm sure the throngs of people with BD Profile 1.1 players are crying in out rage at their inability to have PIP on DVD and take part in online trivia.

The horror.

All 5 that bought stand alone Blu Ray players.

1/11/2008 12:08:16 AM

i still think hd will win they have cheaper players and 90% of blue ray players are ps3s. all you assholes saying hd is dead shouldn't be happy unless u want to pay $400+ for hd if hd disappears then bluray prices will stay high. oh yeah and universal still believes in hd
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/universal-current-plan-is-to-continue-to-support-the-hd-dvd-fo/

1/11/2008 12:38:42 AM

^^

In this case, my issue isn't the fact that they released players that are now going to be lacking functionality. Even though, god knows, that if anyone wanted that functionality it'd be those same early adopters.

It's more that they knowingly and willingly fucked over their consumers and are now taking the attitude "LOL SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER THAN TO BUY OUR PRODUCT" to anyone that doesn't want a gaming console as their main DVD player.

[Edited on January 11, 2008 at 12:52 AM. Reason : .]

1/11/2008 12:48:52 AM

All bd early adopters are going to be offered a $100 gift certificate for any sony products.

1/11/2008 1:23:36 AM

Dude seriously

Stop being such a whiner.

Companies fuck consumers over. STOP THE PRESSES. THATS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

Signed,

GM
Ford
Apple
Microsoft
etc etc.

If you were retarded enough to buy a stand alone blu ray player @400$ or more then it goes without saying that you trolled yourself.

1/11/2008 2:48:21 AM

or had excess money to spend and just wanted to brag to your neighbors.

1/11/2008 6:36:35 AM

I enjoy my betamax player and movies.

1/11/2008 9:44:42 AM

Early adopters always get a bad deal. It's the nature of the beast.

And what about those HD DVD players that don't support three layers? What happens when they release the new spec and those those old players can play it? Surely they're equally fucked.

1/11/2008 12:15:46 PM