also good points...i know for a fact that i didn't have any software installed for the keyboard/mouse on vista, but win7 automatically detected the devices during an update and installed the updated drivers (which included the microsoft software)...i can't remember when that happened, though, and if i was having this trouble before then or not

i'll check my bios and device manager settings at lunch and see what's up...it may be pretty simple

thanks for the suggestions...it likely has nothing to do with win7 except possibly in regards to some default settings

11/11/2009 11:00:51 AM

threadjack atempt from the last page:

I'm actually trying to get WoL working, so I can ssh/rsync stuff from work. I was able to wake it up from actual shutdown, but I guess normally it sleeps and I'm not able to wake it from work. Anybody know any more about WoL? Do you have to do something different to wake it from sleep vs. powered off?

11/11/2009 11:38:27 AM

my guess would be something in the bios to enable wake from sleep mode. idk though, i've never used wol

11/11/2009 11:43:54 AM

W7x64

anyone else get a "Windows explorer has stopped working" errors? i heard of it happening in beta, but not RTM, this freaking sucks, already formatted and reinstalled and it's back.... i was hoping it was a bad install disc but it's most definitely a bug, i'm getting it quite frequently now.

http://www.blogsdna.com/2137/fix-windows-installer-explorer-update-has-stopped-working-in-windows-7.htm

i'll probably need to run sfc /scannow

11/11/2009 11:46:45 AM

I get that shit all the time

doesn't seem to hurt anything, it restarts in a couple of seconds.

11/11/2009 11:50:40 AM

do you run BitLocker?

i have an external that's connected via BL and i'm wondering if that has to do with it.

11/11/2009 12:51:27 PM

weird, definitely haven't noticed that at all... did the SQM fix work for either of you?

11/11/2009 12:51:54 PM

^^ dont lock up your bits, they want to be free!

11/11/2009 12:55:34 PM

no, i didn't have any other string than default in regedit, and whenever i try to do gpedit.msc, i get a "Microsoft Management Console has Stopped Working" error and can't get into the gpedit either.

11/11/2009 12:57:16 PM

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"do you run BitLocker?"

no but I have a good amount of stuff on my external drive (NAS, MyBook)

edit:

I had tentatively concluded that it had to do with the external drive. Some times this happens when I am positive explorer is doing something with it, other times I'm not sure (attempting to empty the recycle bin, for example).

Either way, it is 100% reproducible for some period of time (if I keep trying again and again it will keep happening) but if I leave it alone and come back to it later it'll be fine. No clue.

edit 2:

Quote :

"weird, definitely haven't noticed that at all... did the SQM fix work for either of you?"

I hadn't heard of that but I'll try it when I get home, thanks.










[Edited on November 11, 2009 at 1:16 PM. Reason : ..]

11/11/2009 1:08:32 PM

yea, same thing here.

11/11/2009 1:14:46 PM

11 minutes to install from a usb drive. holy fuck.

11/11/2009 6:23:53 PM

if you have the preview option enabled and preview an excel document while excel is open, excel crashes

11/11/2009 10:18:44 PM

i cant wait to format my computer with it. been backing up my computer and cleaning things out. also about to trade out my 156 gb hardrive for a 500 the WD black edition

11/11/2009 11:07:37 PM

^^not for me

11/11/2009 11:09:00 PM

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/11/microsoft_copies_apple/
Microsoft admits Mac was Windows 7 muse

11/11/2009 11:35:46 PM

^Get out of here with that shit before Noen sees!

Quote :

"We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance"

LOL!

Microsoft did do a good job with Windows 7 and I do enjoy using it as much as Mac OS X so I will give them credit there.

[Edited on November 12, 2009 at 12:46 AM. Reason : .]

11/12/2009 12:43:59 AM

^A quote from a manager who didn't have anything to do with the look and feel of Windows 7

What part of "Partner Group Manager" tells you this guy has any insight into the quote he made? Way to buy into the retardedness of the blogosphere. People say stupid things everyday, it doesn't make them true (I should know, I do it all the time )

11/12/2009 3:10:55 AM

I agree. That guy's comment means squat

11/12/2009 4:08:30 AM

Wow, what an idiot.

By the way, here's an official response to tell us all that he is full of it:

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/11/11/how-we-really-designed-the-look-and-feel-of-windows-7.aspx

11/12/2009 6:29:34 AM

Do you enjoy using the stock Windows 7 themes? Turns out that there are hidden regional themes tucked away on the hard drive:

%WINDIR%\Globalization\MCT\

Just go into each subdir and open the .themepack file to install them.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/guides/2009/11/unlock-hidden-windows-7-themes.ars

11/12/2009 8:35:58 AM

There are a bunch of battery life reviews out today comparing Win7 to XP on portables.

http://blog.laptopmag.com/stick-with-xp-windows-7-battery-life-worse-on-netbooks

They all basically show Win7 reduces battery life by 10-16%. Might be worth sticking to XP for a while after all

11/12/2009 11:08:25 AM

TOO LATE

11/12/2009 11:10:53 AM

Noen

Get explorer crashing and restarting fixed please.

thnx

11/13/2009 4:00:35 PM

LOL

11/13/2009 4:04:25 PM

imagine that... a more bloated OS uses more battery life. who would have thought?

11/13/2009 4:33:04 PM

who said it was bloated?

11/13/2009 4:42:25 PM

people who have no idea what they are talking about.

11/13/2009 4:58:24 PM

seriously...Noen stands behind this product so I trust that its perfect.

11/13/2009 4:59:10 PM

meh, it's been awesome for me.

11/13/2009 5:03:49 PM

You don't say fuel economy went down in a car because it's bloated. There can be hundreds of reasons why. Not the least of which being that Mobile Power Management tools for hardware don't even really exist yet for Win7 (they are all just compat ports of the Vista/XP PM tools).

Give it time, battery life will improve and we will all continue to live our lives.

Not to mention the inherit differences in running say XP themes and Aero themes. I wouldn't say hardware accelerated UI is bloat, but it's certainly going to be more power hungry.

11/13/2009 5:05:38 PM

seriously. outside of the long install time i had in one case, win7 is very impressive so far.

11/13/2009 5:05:44 PM

^^^for me as well... just like picking on Noen for his Microsoft obsession.

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 5:06 PM. Reason : ^]

11/13/2009 5:06:04 PM

Doesn't he work at Microsoft?

11/13/2009 5:13:34 PM

yup, but he's taken fanboy to another level. lol

11/13/2009 5:14:11 PM

haha, ok

11/13/2009 5:17:21 PM

So i was just installing Zune on windows 7 and i got to the screen that asks me to start or go to settings...well I didn't click on anything for a while because I Was talking to someone and when I turned back around there was a windows 7 dialog box saying something along the lines of "You haven't made a selection, is this screen displayed properly?" where the f did that come from?

11/13/2009 5:24:20 PM

Quote :

"yup, but he's taken fanboy to another level. lol"

Again, what makes me a fanboy? I have a different perspective sometimes, but I don't see how I'm a MS fanboy in any way. I own plenty of competitive products, recommend competitive products, and continually try and use a wide variety of offerings.

Most of the time I'm just arguing with YOU because you stick your head in the sand with Apple products and it's hilarious to me. That might make a troll, but it doesn't make me a fanboy

11/13/2009 5:39:22 PM

Quote :

" Most of the time I'm just arguing with YOU because you stick your head in the sand with Apple products and it's hilarious to me. That might make a troll, but it doesn't make me a fanboy"

See, thats what you WANT to believe but that isn't the case at all. My head isn't in the sand. I was a long time apple hater just like everyone else because well thats the thing to do and who wants to side with the minority? Then several years ago I randomly went out and bought an apple powerbook G4 and the whole experience was excellent and I've stuck with Apple notebooks since.

Then the iPhone came out but I didn't jump on it right away until a bunch of my friends had them and after playing around with theirs i figured i would give it a shot. The device won me over. Had the zune actually worked on Windows Vista when it first came out I might have kept that too.

Same applies to consoles...I love my Apple Microsoft Xbox360 and think the PS3 is total garbage after using an Xbox360.

As for OS's...I think windows 7 is on par with Mac OS X finally so I can have the same enjoyable problem free experience no matter which OS I've booted in.

I try not to own anything I don't actually enjoy using...and so far Apple has that for notebooks and phones for me. I have no loyalty with any manufacture/software company...the minute something better comes out I'll go to that.

You on the other hand are blinded to everything but Microsoft simply because you work there...and you take personal offense to anything negative related with Microsoft, justified or not and every product they make is a gift to mankind.

[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 5:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2009 5:49:28 PM

Quote :

"I try not to own anything I don't actually enjoy using...and so far Apple has that for notebooks and phones for me. I have no loyalty with any manufacture/software company...the minute something better comes out I'll go to that."

This is actually my own philosophy too.

Quote :

"You on the other hand are blinded to everything but Microsoft simply because you work there...and you take personal offense to anything negative related with Microsoft, justified or not and every product they make is a gift to mankind."

Right, which is why I own an iPhone, have an app on the AppStore, own a Mac Mini, own a PS3 and 360, own an iPod, use Google Chrome almost exclusively, have 3 Logitech mice to one MS mouse, three Logitech keyboards to one MS keyboard (which is what came with the computer). I'm a long time user and supporter of LAMP and I host sites exclusively on linux managed servers.

So where are you getting this fanboyism from? Because YOUR perception is light years from reality, as usual.

11/13/2009 6:25:28 PM

I think all of us argue over the stupidest shit for the sake of arguing.

Its what makes us nerds.

11/13/2009 8:43:29 PM

true.

11/13/2009 8:44:23 PM

that's stupid, that's not what makes us nerds

11/13/2009 9:09:13 PM

Quote :

"who said it was bloated?"

putting stuff like disk imaging software and massive graphics packages is kind of the definition of bloat. At the very least, it goes a billion times farther than what an OS is supposed to do.

11/13/2009 9:17:02 PM

you are an idiot

11/13/2009 9:27:05 PM

it's a consumer OS, not a file server

11/13/2009 10:08:42 PM

Quote :

"you are an idiot"

Quote :

"it's a consumer OS, not a file server"

11/14/2009 12:36:10 PM

Quote :

"putting stuff like disk imaging software and massive graphics packages is kind of the definition of bloat. At the very least, it goes a billion times farther than what an OS is supposed to do."

I know right! and it costs money! If only there was an OS that was free, dull, and boring for geeks to use.

11/14/2009 1:28:11 PM

Quote :

"stuff like disk imaging software"

It's about time! I had always felt that mounting and creating images should be a basic function of the OS- not saying it makes sense to include robust support for a multitude of formats, but at least ISO files.

I'm looking forward to upgrading my laptop now.

11/14/2009 1:51:44 PM

Yeah, those are just features. Bloat is when new features are disproportionate to the additional size and impact on speed of the product in which they are delivered, and in this case, imo, it's not bloated.

11/14/2009 2:09:13 PM