Quote :

"We lost the credit rating because of the debt, not because republicans wouldnt raise the debt ceiling. Think people. It was raised and wow, we lost our credit rating."

if you truly believe this, you're a very special individual

I mean you obviously believe it all, but that's a real whopper

and if you can't see how Ryan is attempting to imply that it was Obama's failed policies that are the cause of the GM plant being closed, then I don't know what to tell you

[Edited on August 30, 2012 at 12:31 PM. Reason : cynicism]

8/30/2012 12:18:34 PM

110% proof it's scrippppppppppppppppppppppppted


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77W5OKStO5s&feature=player_embedded

8/30/2012 12:30:09 PM

^^We lost our credit rating over debt. Without the debt we wouldnt even be talking about a plan to deal with it. Which was the second part of why we lost our rating. Our debt is only going to get bigger.

But where is the LIE? I keep seeing "fact checkers" saying he is lying about that. Fact checkers say Obama visited in 2008, so he wasnt in charge. No shit, hell Ryan says CANDIDATE OBAMA...

In case you missed it the first time:

"A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight."

This goes along with a theme of being disappointed in Obama. How millions voted for him bc they thought he was a reformer and believed the BS he was saying. Like about cutting the deficit in half. I take it you didnt watch the whole thing.

8/30/2012 12:58:12 PM

I wonder what would have happened to the credit rating if the debt ceiling wasn't raised and we just defaulted on everything.

8/30/2012 1:09:54 PM

The rating agency straight up came out and said our credit rating reduction was because of the Republican brinksmanship.

It wasn't because of the debt. We've had debt for years and years, and we're still no where near as bad as the other countries. It was the partisan politics.

^^
Are you actually sorry that plant closed? Under your ideas, that plant would have closed, and many other plants would have closed. Austerity measures don't stop depressions or increase the jobs, they cause massive job losses for the sake of a black ledger and nothing more.

[Edited on August 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM. Reason : ]

8/30/2012 1:27:32 PM

Quote :

"We lost our credit rating over debt."

Look, whether who want to blame the debt or the debt ceiling fight, there is no realistic way you can pin it on Obama. Which is our whole point. Ryan's entire speech was based in a fantasy world that doesn't exist, where everything is Obama's fault.

[Edited on August 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM. Reason : :]

8/30/2012 1:30:15 PM

^ok, let me live in your fantasy world a bit. If republican are fully to blame for the debt and debt ceiling fight, why didnt obama fix it?

8/30/2012 1:35:40 PM

well, for one, he's just the president, not congress.

8/30/2012 1:36:35 PM

He also can't go back in time and stop Bush from invading Afghanistan/Iraq or passing the tax cuts. That chart figures in interest being paid on debt from those policies. There is absolutely nothing Obama could have done about it, other than just not pay (hence the debt ceiling fight).

8/30/2012 1:38:26 PM

Quote :

"well, for one, he's just the president, not congress"

Yes, however if republicans were responsible for the problem why didnt Obama and the Dems fix things?

^Wars end, but you could end them sooner. If you think we are 16T in debt because of bush tax rates and the 2 wars you need to read a bit more.

[Edited on August 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2012 1:47:49 PM

Quote :

" wonder what would have happened to the credit rating if the debt ceiling wasn't raised and we just defaulted on everything. "

Do you think that we would keep a stellar credit rating if we kept on increasing the debt ceiling? Or at some point do you think our ability to pay for the actual debt comes into play?

8/30/2012 1:52:05 PM

Uh, nothing has happened so far. Despite the downgrade, US debt is still being bought up like hot cakes. The interest rate on 10 year notes is still below target. Inflation is slowing, not speeding up. That 16T dollar debt figure doesn't mean dick. It's nothing but an absolute value of how much money we're printing. It's like saying "well, you weigh 200 pounds, so you must be fat and unhealthy", without taking into account BMI, cholesterol, and glucose. It's an excuse for the GOP to slash entitlement spending, nothing more.

8/30/2012 2:01:09 PM

Right. So a default would have made things better. Because that's what we all should do when we have too much debt is stop paying on it. Don't you guys piss on underwater homeowners for doing the same shit?

8/30/2012 2:03:21 PM

Quote :

"Yes, however if republicans were responsible for the problem why didnt Obama and the Dems fix things?"

it was a hostage situation by the republicans and it's as simple as that

8/30/2012 2:09:34 PM

Quote :

"it was a hostage situation by the republicans and it's as simple as that "

Interesting. And what of the supermajority before?

8/30/2012 3:23:22 PM

Quote :

"jesus dude - when fox news is calling out the GOP VP candidate, you know you done fucked up"

I know it's hard to believe that there's a network that actually gives both sides a voice, rather than just all Liberals all the time like most of them. Her name is Sally Kohn, a frothing liberal that Fox asked to write a response on the Paul Ryan speech.

The Mainstream Media is so far unfairly biased towards the left, that the only network that is pretty much dead center gets bashed as the "OMFG SO REPUBLICAN BIASED" news source.

8/30/2012 3:25:54 PM

^holy shit, that's rich. I've watched some MSNBC that last few days, and I readily admit that they are extremely biased, and it is annoying. but to say that Fox News is "dead center" is..... well, it's just stupid, i'm sorry, but it is. You can't be serious.

8/30/2012 3:28:52 PM

^^ Jesus Christ, you poor bastard

8/30/2012 3:31:21 PM

I don't understand how Republicans get away with pretending that the GOP has been all about fiscal conservatism when in office. Reagan is touted as this great government slasher, but the size of the government grew by over 60% when he was President. Same with Bush.

8/30/2012 3:33:19 PM

I apologize for the size, but when people say that the "mainstream media" is so liberally biased it pisses me off.

8/30/2012 3:34:39 PM

^try reading this site for a couple weeks, I assure you your opinion will change...

http://newsbusters.org/

http://www.westernjournalism.com/top-50-examples-liberal-media-bias/

8/30/2012 3:53:17 PM

like most people, i thought fox news leaned hard to the right, msnbc hard to the left, and most other major media outlets to the left, to varying degrees. this was all based on what i've seen and heard in person. but now that i've seen that graphic, my eyes have been opened! we've been wrong about this all along!

[Edited on August 30, 2012 at 3:57 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2012 3:56:00 PM

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Reality Check tonight will blow your mind.. This week in Tampa for the Republicans very well is the start of a political revolution

8/30/2012 4:09:16 PM

^^^ lmao

Quote :

"But Elana Kagan actually ruled that book banning was OK and the media ignored the story during her confirmation hearings. "

This is the only one I happened to read while scrolling through - Not only did they spell her name incorrectly, she has never made such a ruling.

8/30/2012 4:57:31 PM

Quote :

"http://www.westernjournalism.com/top-50-examples-liberal-media-bias/"

that site was chock full of grade A horseshit

8/30/2012 6:06:00 PM

The graph is misleading... is it taking into fact the large # of GOP debates, etc?

I mean, I bet when GW Bush was seeking re-election in 2004 that more Dems were interviewed, especially considering the Democratic debates.

The media overall is biased... to say there isn't any bias is being obtuse. Took a course at UNC that was eye opening in terms of studying the language most media use in the US compared to other countries. US media overall uses a large amount of "emotional" language rather than neutral fact language. Fox News and MSNBC are garbage IMO... I'd rather be presented the news as facts... not an op-ed presented as news.

8/30/2012 6:26:10 PM

NPR is about as good as it gets in the US. Although Reuters and BBC have good US coverage nowadays. Al-Jazeera is also surprisingly sound journalism.

8/30/2012 7:46:03 PM

this RNC is a mega failure

everything sounds so robotic and teleprompted

8/30/2012 8:42:30 PM

lol you noob - republicans don't use teleprompters, dontchaknow

8/30/2012 10:02:47 PM

Clint Eastwood is just making me sad. That may have been one of the more awkward things I've seen.

8/30/2012 10:15:19 PM

ben swann reporting on the RNC fraud


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE

8/31/2012 10:44:52 AM

8/31/2012 11:58:02 AM

I just want to say, I really fucking hate Condoleezza Rice. The one good thing I can say about most of Bush's administration is that they've had the common human decency to stay hidden under a rock since leaving office. Not her though. She's out there giving speeches and interviews saying she has no regrets and even criticizing Obama's foreign policy. Really? After presiding over 8 years of catastrophic foreign policy you'd think a little humility would be in order. She's a criminal piece of shit that should be sitting in a jail cell waiting for the chair, not advising anyone on anything.

8/31/2012 2:36:18 PM

I'm waiting to see if Colin Powell emerges

8/31/2012 2:42:36 PM

Quote :

"She's a criminal piece of shit that should be sitting in a jail cell waiting for the chair, not advising anyone on anything."

Ah, please elaborate; I wouldn't miss a good stereotypical liberal rant for the world.

8/31/2012 4:02:21 PM

http://mediacast.realgravity.com/sharing/abd3f6b0-4082-012f-2a8c-12313d00d151/3c9fd130-d3a1-012f-c326-12313b01b22c.html

8/31/2012 4:31:49 PM

http://m.gawker.com/5939727/karl-rove-jokes-about-murdering-legitimate-rape-lawmaker-todd-akin

This is fun

9/1/2012 3:55:32 PM

Does anybody else think Clint Eastwood's speech was the most brilliant piece of political satire they've ever seen?

9/2/2012 2:58:59 PM

^yes

Quote :

"As a performer, as a stand-up comedian for 30 years who knows how hard it is to get laughs, excuse me, he went up there … without a net, on a tightrope. There was no teleprompter. He did a bit with just an empty chair and killed. He committed to it, it was consistent and it worked. People have been saying for years: these conventions are too scripted, they’re too slick, they’re too overproduced. A guy who went up there who wasn’t slick … and killed with the crowd? I gotta give him props for that."

-Bill Maher

9/3/2012 3:53:10 AM

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/09/michelle_obamas_dnc_speech_wri.php

Quote :

"The First Lady's speech Tuesday was written at a 12th grade level - the highest in history among the wives of presidential nominees and far above Ann Romney's lowest mark of a 5th grade level"

[Edited on September 5, 2012 at 7:26 PM. Reason : ]

9/5/2012 7:24:51 PM

So, is it entirely possible and likely that Clint's chair was a big practical joke on the republicans?

9/5/2012 7:39:52 PM

That's the only thing I can honestly believe. They got punked hard.

9/5/2012 8:00:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFLNmThRMNQ

[1:40] All credibility gone.

9/6/2012 1:14:45 AM

Clinton brought up a great point last night: Republicans for the most part want nothing more than for the prez to fail because it makes them look good. This of course means that they only care about the interest of the republican party and not the country, which should be of no shock to anybody.

9/6/2012 8:53:43 AM

Yep, Jon Stewart made this point a wee bit less eloquently last week,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw4Qx9t4PbA&feature=player_detailpage#t=12s

9/6/2012 12:40:43 PM

Quote :

"Republicans Democrats for the most part want nothing more than for the prez to fail to ignore Obama's failure so they can stay in power because it makes them look good. This of course means that they only care about the interest of the republicanDemocratic party and not the country, which should be of no shock to anybody."

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 5:11 PM. Reason : /]

9/6/2012 5:11:01 PM

Quote :

"Clinton brought up a great point last night: Republicans for the most part want nothing more than for the prez to fail because it makes them look good. This of course means that they only care about the interest of the republican party and not the country, which should be of no shock to anybody."

this is infuriating.

i know its the M.O. in politics in general, but at some point, you have to put country before party.

9/6/2012 5:20:04 PM

Quote :

"i know its the M.O. in politics in general, but at some point, you have to put country before party."

pol·i·ti·cian
[pol-i-tish-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person who is active in party politics.
2.
a seeker or holder of public office, who is more concerned about winning favor or retaining power than about maintaining principles.



states·man
[steyts-muhn] Show IPA
noun, plural states·men.
1.
a person who is experienced in the art of government or versed in the administration of government affairs.
2.
a person who exhibits great wisdom and ability in directing the affairs of a government or in dealing with important public issues.



When there are 99.99% politicians in government, you can see where the problem rests.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM. Reason : are]

9/6/2012 5:23:13 PM

Ha.

9/6/2012 6:05:42 PM

Quote :

" Democrats for the most part want nothing more than for the prez to fail to ignore Obama's failure so they can stay in power"

Except that he hasn't failed. And if you still don't get that by now, then you are either:

A. Racist
B. Blind to what is actually going
C. See A

9/6/2012 6:19:24 PM