Quote :

"Did you respond about his Pearl Harbor question too? If so I probably missed that too."

Several pages back I provided information demonstrating how FDR and other high-level U.S. Government officials had prior knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack and allowed it to occur. They needed a "crisis" in order to draw the United States into WWII. His question is how the forces of international Zionism specifically were behind this. People who have researched these issues know that a Zionist Cabal linked to the international bankers has effectively controlled our government going back until at least the 1930s. The foundation for this control was laid with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, giving the power to issue currency to the (Zionist) International Bankers, and setting the stage for the massive federal government debt to this Zionist Cabal. The Zionists fomented and orchestrated World War II. And if you think that is "crazy", just look at what is being played out today. Wars--ie, Iraq, Afghanistan, and possibly Iran & Syria--are all being waged due to the designs of Zionists exercising power and influence over our government. History repeating itself.

5/4/2006 4:39:47 PM

Quote :

"Several pages back I provided information demonstrating speculation and wild claims as to how FDR and other high-level U.S. Government officials had prior knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack and allowed it to occur. I also provided conjecture and a wild theory of how they needed a "crisis" in order to draw the United States into WWII. His question is how the forces of international Zionism specifically were behind this. People Idiots who have "researched" these issues know throw out a wild claim that a Zionist Cabal linked to the international bankers has effectively controlled our government going back until at least the 1930s. The foundation for this control was laid with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, giving the power to issue currency to the (Zionist) International Bankers, and setting the stage for the massive federal government debt to this Zionist Cabal. The Zionists fomented and orchestrated World War II. And if you think that is "crazy", just look at what is being played out today. Wars--ie, Iraq, Afghanistan, and possibly Iran & Syria--are all being waged due to the designs of Zionists exercising power and influence over our government. History repeating itself. then you must be one of the sane ones."

there, fixed that for you. can't expect a lunatic eunuch to get it all right.

[Edited on May 4, 2006 at 4:46 PM. Reason : *]

5/4/2006 4:45:15 PM

Quote :

"And if you think that is "crazy""

I didn't say that, thanks.

Quote :

"Wars--ie, Iraq, Afghanistan, and possibly Iran & Syria--are all being waged due to the designs of Zionists exercising power and influence over our government. History repeating itself."

Well, as of yet I don't believe that this glorious Zionist organization is behind those sorts of things, so that sort of argument is not going to make me believe that they influenced the other wars too.

Quote :

"His question is how the forces of international Zionism specifically were behind this."

Ok, so if you know that, and yet the evidence you've provided only proves how FDR and the US government allowed Pearl Harbor to occur, how have you answered his question? I mean, ok, the Zionists control the US and the US allowed Pearl Harbor to happen. But then wouldn't you have to give evidence of how the Zionists control the US? And before you say it, no, the few sentences you tossed in after this sentence don't quite cut it for me, thanks.

On another note, ok, if these Zionists controlled and orchestrated WW2 itself, then did they also put Hitler in power? Mussolini? Did they give Japan a nudge into attacking Pearl Harbor in the first place? Just wondering how far your beliefs go on this.

5/4/2006 5:55:17 PM

Quote :

""touched on" does not equal "provided compelling evidence". once again you make a shit ton of claims with absolutely NOTHING to prove them."

5/4/2006 6:45:29 PM

UniversalPictures' New "United 93" Forum:
http://www.phpbbserver.com/united93forum/

The old forums were completely erased. I wonder why?

5/5/2006 3:46:40 PM

^ Crazy motherfuckers spamming the board with insane theories?

Quote :

"Doesn't that sound like he was pressured into "confessing" to a role in 9/11? And in case you don't know, strong evidence suggests that Moussaoui was framed by an impersonator at the Minnesota flight school."

It sounds more like he wanted a little attention and some of those virgins he was promised.

But what do I know, you know more about the Jew's mind control tactics than I do.

5/5/2006 3:57:00 PM

Probably because Alex Jones posted a link to it on his website and a bunch of his fans descended on the forum, began copying and pasting, and pretty much destroyed any possibility of rational discussion.

Where have we seen that before?

5/5/2006 3:58:03 PM

Quote :

"began copying and pasting"

translation--->actually providing evidence to support their position

Quote :

"pretty much destroyed any possibility of rational discussion"

Oh, right. Posting quotes from articles and posting links to websites/articles/etc "destroys the possibility of a rational discussion." Referencing articles and other evidence! The horror!


Is your idea of a "rational discussion" a discussion that falls in line with the "official" version espoused by the MSM and government? If anyone dissents from the "official" version, the discussion becomes "irrational"?

You can't disagree with the government and MSM and do so thoughtfully, logically, and respectfully? It's impossible? So, basically, if you don't agree with the government and MSM's "official" version of events, you are a "trouble-maker" who "can't debate rationally" and deserves to be silenced/censored, right?


Look. Anyone who read the threads on the Universal Pictures forum could clearly see that it was the supporters of the "official" story who were being rude, disrespectful, hurling insults, and refused to debate the issues rationally. Those questioning the official story were not being disrespectful, and were providing evidence to support their arguments. The supporters of the official fairy tale, however, just offered insults. They didn't want the issues to be discussed substantively. They wanted to distract from the information being presented by those opposing the official story and stop rational debate. And if that didn't work, they wanted to silence those opposing the official story. That reminds me of some posters on another message board I know.

5/5/2006 4:37:02 PM

lets eat dinner and make the first coure you feasting on my ballsack

5/5/2006 4:46:23 PM

Quote :

"Look. Anyone who read the threads on the Universal Pictures forum could clearly see that it was the supporters of the "official" story who were being rude, disrespectful, hurling insults, and refused to debate the issues rationally"

easy for u to say that now since we cant verify for ourselves

5/5/2006 4:56:27 PM

Quote :

"actually providing evidence to support their position"

Well, if they're anything like you they blindly copy and paste articles from prisonplanet while refusing to even consider any evidence that doesn't support what they want to believe.

5/5/2006 8:03:17 PM

Salisbury, hey bro, don't worry about these simpletons. Nobody wants to be distressed. They all want to live lavish, comfortable lives. There is nothing wrong with that. They haven't provided one REFUTATION that holds any water. In other words, fear along with never questioning the meaning of 'res' in life are the prime factors that hinders their conscience from accepting anything.

Therefore, if you wish to continue to preach, go ahead.

-btw...There is the David Ray Griffin speech on C-Span, I believe at 2:30 pm on Saturday.

5/5/2006 9:37:19 PM

Hahahaha

you're almost as big of a douche as he is

5/5/2006 9:39:52 PM

Here is my only token for you....

^by your name "ANN", it seems you are the sole one that is injesting NOVEFEM in between your legs....

http://www.novofem.com/ad2.php

[Edited on May 5, 2006 at 9:44 PM. Reason : because this gal stinks!]

5/5/2006 9:43:33 PM

right

just pulled a product name out

good job. probably pretty easy since it's sitting on your counter.

5/5/2006 10:43:27 PM

http://www.star.niu.edu/articles/?id=24752

Quote :

"‘United 93’ not the truth on 9/11 The movie “United 93 is still just a dramatization, not a documentary. Many unanswered questions remain about 9/11, especially since accident investigations or reports required by Federal Aviation regulations are lacking. The movie begins with prayer sessions by the hijackers. However, the ringleader, Mohammed Atta, lived with a prostitute, drank heavily, used cocaine and ate pork chops. In Florida, several of the hijackers spent $200 to $300 on lap dances in a strip club and when operatives met in Las Vegas at least six of the hijackers spent time living it up. They behaved like bankrolled CIA agents - a la James Bond - not devout Muslims. Important background information was not brought out in the movie. Newsweek reported that two of the four United 93 hijackers were trained at the Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and listed their addresses as locations on that base. At least five of the alleged 9/11 hijackers received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s. Thus, 9/11 may have been a false flag operation, similar to the Operation Northwoods proposal, contrived by the U.S. government to be used as a pretext for war. Finally, wreckage distributed over several miles only makes sense if the plane was broken up in mid-air by an on board explosion or by a missile strike rather than crashing into the ground. There were no tail section, no jet engines, no large sections of fuselage, no bodies in view anywhere near the impact crater. Jim Senyszyn Peoria, Ill."

5/8/2006 12:51:04 PM

Quote :

"CLAIM: "Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains," states a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article dated Sept. 13, 2001. "Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly 6 miles from the immediate crash scene." Commenting on reports that Indian Lake residents collected debris, Think AndAsk.com speculates: "On Sept. 10, 2001, a strong cold front pushed through the area, and behind it--winds blew northerly. Since Flight 93 crashed west-southwest of Indian Lake, it was impossible for debris to fly perpendicular to wind direction. ... The FBI lied." And the significance of widespread debris? Theorists claim the plane was breaking up before it crashed. TheForbiddenKnowledge.com states bluntly: "Without a doubt, Flight 93 was shot down." FACT: Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=8&c=y

Who is avoiding a rational argument?

Same questions....25 pages later...

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the Revolutionary War?

Do you even know anything about american history? To say that the Civil War was caused simply by "illuminati agitators" is to ignore almost every detail of the decades that preceded the conflict.

Can we get some proof that John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the NWO rather than an upset Confederate sympathizer?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

5/8/2006 1:04:11 PM

Suppose someone did start believing you salisburyboy, what’s the next step? Can they stop with knowing the truth, are the obligated to spread it, or take more direct physical action to end the conspiracy?

5/8/2006 1:31:20 PM

Quote :

"Suppose someone did start believing you salisburyboy, what’s the next step? Can they stop with knowing the truth, are the obligated to spread it, or take more direct physical action to end the conspiracy?"

Once you are convinced that the "official" 9/11 story is false and that elements within and controlling our government orchestrated the attack, you are naturally lead to want to spread the word and take action--unless you are very apathetic and/or self-centered and don't care about our nation, future, or government at all. Unfortunately, most people are only really concerned with personal matters (personal income and finances, entertainment, what they are eating tonight, etc.) and do not care enough to concern themselves with things beyond that. And of those who know or strongly suspect that something is deeply wrong with our government and country, many are deterred from taking action because they are afraid of the consequences of doing so, or they don't believe they can make a difference and change things.

I don't pretend to know the best plan of action, but I think exposing the truth and spreading the word is the first step. Once a sufficient number of people are informed, then more substantive action can be taken. I do not believe that any real change can be achieved through normal political means, such as voting. The Zionist interests control both major parties. If you replace one puppet politician, another will just take their place, and the Zionist control of our government will remain unaffected. Ultimately, some drastic action is needed--such as a secession movement. It may be possible to change things under this current government if the Federal Reserve System is abolished (financial control is key to the Zionist control over the country). But that is a longshot considering the entrenchment of Zionist power in the country, including control over the political system.


[Edited on May 8, 2006 at 2:35 PM. Reason : ``````````]

5/8/2006 2:25:50 PM

nuttier than squirrel turds

chinese chicken salad has nothing on this fuckin' guy

5/8/2006 2:35:53 PM

right

I forgot that if you disagree with the government and MSM, you are a lunatic and should be committed to an insane asylum.

Look. Calling me names and trying to insult me is not a substitute for a rational argument. If you disagree with me, argue your position logically. And what are you disputing that I mentioned above? The Zionist control over our government?

5/8/2006 2:45:27 PM

nope, absolutely not.

but you? you ARE a lunatic.

5/8/2006 6:14:26 PM

you kids and your conspiracy theories...

5/8/2006 6:41:48 PM

Quote :

"you kids and your conspiracy theories..."

Is not the "official" story about 19 freedom-hating Arabs with boxcutters and an evil genius in a cave a conspiracy theory too?

There was a conspiracy to commit the 9/11 attacks either way you look at it. It's just a matter of who you believe was really involved in the conspiracy.

5/9/2006 7:53:41 AM

you ARE a lunatic.

5/9/2006 10:40:20 AM

so the troll brigade is now reduced to repeating each other's ridiculous insults and other nonsense?

5/9/2006 11:33:09 AM

Quote :

"so the troll brigade is now reduced to repeating each other's ridiculous insults and other nonsense?"

as opposed to repeating THE SAME ridiculous shit and other nonsense?

[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 11:39 AM. Reason : *]

5/9/2006 11:39:40 AM

Who is avoiding a rational argument?

Same questions....25 pages later...

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the Revolutionary War?

Do you even know anything about american history? To say that the Civil War was caused simply by "illuminati agitators" is to ignore almost every detail of the decades that preceded the conflict.

Can we get some proof that John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the NWO rather than an upset Confederate sympathizer?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

5/9/2006 12:58:01 PM

ATTN: Mr. Joshua...


Moussaoui says he lied when he "confessed" to a role in the 9/11 attacks:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060509/NEWS07/605090409/1009

Quote :

"I lied, 9/11 plotter says; but guilty plea stands May 9, 2006 Detroit Free Press ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- Facing life in a so-called supermax prison, convicted Al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui says he lied in admitting involvement in the Sept. 11 plot, but a judge Monday rejected his attempt to withdraw his guilty plea. U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema, who sentenced Moussaoui on Thursday after a jury spared him a death sentence, paid no heed to his argument that he now recognizes he can get a fair trial in America. She denied the motion, filed Friday but made public Monday, under a rule barring a defendant from withdrawing a plea once he's been sentenced. Moussaoui said he testified he was training to fly a hijacked plane into the White House on Sept. 11, 2001, "even though I knew that was a complete fabrication." Moussaoui said he lied because he believed "it was the intention of the American justice system to put me to death.""

Also:

MSNBC VIDEO: Moussaoui wore 'stun belt' for new testimony
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/280306_b_belt.htm

Quote :

"Total Information Analysis | March 28 2006 If you're looking for a reason why Zacarias Moussaoui suddenly testified today to a version of the 9/11 plotline that sounds more like the Official story than even the official Whitewash Commission report, this video may have the answer. In it, NBC news reporter Pete Williams lets slip that Moussaoui is wearing a "Stun belt" underneath his clothing controlled by US Marshals. MSNBC host Dan Abrams gets some more details on the stun belt. A taste of the exchange: WILLIAMS: The old outbursts were gone... He was very docile today... We believe that he's wearing one of those stun belts, and it may be that he was very worried about doing anything that would cause those Marshals to press the button.... ABRAMS: A stun belt? They literally have something around his waist? That they can push a button and? WILLIAMS: [Pause] Well..."

[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 3:06 PM. Reason : ````````]

5/9/2006 3:01:33 PM

Quote :

"duke seriously it's been really funny and all and you've had your laugh now do something about this shit i mean seriously you can't hide behind your own ideology forever to allow this continue simply because he may believe it it's still horseshit you know it we know it HE knows it now please, do the right thing put a stop to this"

5/9/2006 3:05:23 PM

I can do this too...

Quote :

"you can't hide behind your own ideology forever to allow this continue simply because he may believe it it's still horseshit ...put a stop to this"

You are arguing censorship based on viewpoint. Are you going to whine like a bitch asking someone to silence me every time I start a thread now?

theduke should start suspending people like you whenever they bitch and moan asking someone to be silenced for their views. I've done absolutely nothing to warrant any such action.

5/9/2006 3:07:32 PM

Quote :

"Moussaoui said he lied because he believed "it was the intention of the American justice system to put me to death."""

He wanted to receive the death penalty and be martyred. That's no secret at all, little buddy.

And yes, prisoners often wear new stun belts. Should they try to escape or attack anyone, the belt will shock them. Its similar to being tasered and usually drops the prisoner to the floor screaming. It has absolutely nothing to do with his testimony. Once again, you are grasping at straws in a futile attempt to prove your point.

Now that we've taken care of that, maybe you could respond to some questions.

Who is avoiding a rational argument?

Same questions....25 pages later...

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the Revolutionary War?

Do you even know anything about american history? To say that the Civil War was caused simply by "illuminati agitators" is to ignore almost every detail of the decades that preceded the conflict.

Can we get some proof that John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the NWO rather than an upset Confederate sympathizer?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

5/9/2006 3:09:45 PM

Who is avoiding a rational argument?

Same questions....25 pages later...

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the Revolutionary War?

Do you even know anything about american history? To say that the Civil War was caused simply by "illuminati agitators" is to ignore almost every detail of the decades that preceded the conflict.

Can we get some proof that John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the NWO rather than an upset Confederate sympathizer?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

5/9/2006 3:38:41 PM

so the troll brigade is now reduced to repeating each other's ridiculous insults and other nonsense?

5/9/2006 3:40:52 PM

hey did you hear about the universal website? i dont think its been posted yet.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/040506admitsdefeat.htm

Quote :

"Universal Admits Defeat, Removes Flight 93 Forum Crescendo of dissent on official fairy tail leads to wiping of website Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | May 4 2006 Universal Studios has admitted defeat in its efforts to re-package the official 9/11 fraud and has completely deleted its own forum after the website was hijacked by individuals posting truthful information about what really happened to Flight 93. We previously reported that Universal's forum moderators were deleting entire threads in real time deeming them, "inappropriate." "

Universal Pictures "United 93" Forum
http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1

Quote :

"There are no message boards currently available."

5/9/2006 3:43:24 PM

I ask serious questions about your claims and you ignore them for 25+ pages. Now you're trying to dismiss it as insults and nonsense.

Who is the real troll?

5/9/2006 3:44:10 PM

i'll answer them for him

Quote :

"is there any good evidence showing flight 93 being shot down?"

Yes, there is evidence indicating Flight 93 (or something) was shot down over Pennsylvania:

Debri from Flight 93 found miles away from main crash site
http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

Quote :

"...focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine. Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene."

Eyewitnesses hear "booms" before the aircraft went down
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

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"Some witnesses reported that the plane was flying upside down for a time before the crash; others said they heard up to three loud booms before the jetliner went down."

Eyewitnesses see military plane flying near Flight 93 when it crashed
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30682

Quote :

"Was United Flight 93 shot down on Sept. 11? January 25, 2003 © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Echoing reports made immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, several eyewitnesses claim in a report by London's Daily Mirror that they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed in rural Pennsylvania -- prompting the unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane."

Many local residents of Shanksville believe Flight 93 was shot down; eyewitnesses see no evidence of plane wreckage at crash site
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_mysteries.html

Quote :

"American Free Press visited Somerset County to look into some of the questions surrounding United Airlines Flight 93, which allegedly turned over and crashed in a refilled strip mine between Lambertsville and Shanksville, Pa., taking 44 lives with it. Many local residents believe the plane was shot down, which they say would explain why parts of the plane and its contents were found strewn over a large area. One question, “is what happened to the physical wreckage of the plane?” “There was no plane,” Ernie Stull, mayor of Shanksville, told German television in March 2003: [...] “They had been sent here because of a crash, but there was no plane?” the reporter asked. “No. Nothing. Only this hole.” When AFP asked Stull about his comments, he disagreed about when he had gone to the crash site. “A day or two later,” Stull said, was about when he went to the site. But he reiterated the fact that they saw little evidence of a plane crash. Nena Lensbouer, who had prepared lunch for the workers at the scrap yard overlooking the crash site, was the first person to go up to the smoking crater. Lensbouer told AFP that the hole was five to six feet deep and smaller than the 24-foot trailer in her front yard. She described hearing “an explosion, like an atomic bomb”—not a crash. Lensbouer called 911 and stayed on the line as she ran across the reclaimed land of the former strip mine to within 15 feet of the smoking crater. Lensbouer told AFP that she did not see any evidence of a plane then or at any time during the excavation at the site, an effort that reportedly recovered 95 percent of the plane and 10 percent of the human remains."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

Quote :

"Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane 'shot down' in Pennsylvania December 27, 2004 © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington landmarks and population centers. Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy of the terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000? Here's what Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be." Several eyewitnesses to the crash claim they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed – prompting the once-unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane."

Quote :

"And some of the questions he asks I'm curious about too, particularly the "how/why the zionist group started/influenced the Civil and Revolutionary Wars". "

Well Zionism (as a named movement) did not begin until the late 19th century. However, my point is that the Jewish international bankers (and primarily the Rothschild family) had a major role in those wars. Here's an article on the Rothschild and Jewish banker connection to the Civil War (and I'm not saying this is the best article out there, it's just one I found through a quick google search):

http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/illuminati/civil_war_and_the_role_of_Illuminati.htm

Quote :

"The Civil War and the Role of the Illuminati The American Civil War, in a very real sense, was the continuation of the Revolutionary war fought by our Founders against the Bank of England. The Civil War was planned in London by Rothschild who wanted two American democracies, each burdened with debt. Four years before the war (1857) Rothschild decided his Paris bank would support the South, represented by Sen. John Slidell, JEW, from Louisiana; while the British branch would support the North, represented by August Belmont (Schoenberg) JEW, from New York. The plan was to bankroll, at usurious interest rates, the huge war debts that were anticipated, using that debt to extort both sides into accepting a Rothschild central-banking system similar to the one that had bled (and is bleeding) the nations of Europe, keeping them in conditions of perpetual war, insolvency and at the mercy of JEW speculators."

5/9/2006 3:46:55 PM

hey salisburyboy why did you lie about where you work

you told some people that you work for a city as an engineer

others that you are a lawyer


are you really a skinny little kid that never even went to ncsu?

c'mon mathew, tell us

5/9/2006 3:52:28 PM

Here's the deal. Someone else created this account and they essentially gave it to me, although he still posts using this account every once in a while. The dude who gave me the account was a guy I met while in law school. But he posts sometimes, so maybe that's where the confusion lies.

5/9/2006 3:59:55 PM

Well which posts are his?

Does he agree with all of your theories?

5/9/2006 4:02:56 PM

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I FIGURED OUT YOU WERENT HIM A LONG TIME AGO AND PEOPLE DIDNT BELIEVE ME

I EVEN MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT AND IT GOT LOCKED


I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT

5/9/2006 4:03:12 PM

Quote :

"Well which posts are his? Does he agree with all of your theories?"

No, not all of them. But we agree on many major issues, like 9/11.

For instance, after he gave me the account, he read some of the stuff I posted on 9/11 and was convinced. So he posts sometimes in the 9/11 thread and other threads. And I think he tries to post in a similar style as I do (or just post articles), but like I said he only posts every once in a while. And his name is Matt, but I'm not going to give out his last name or other personal info for obvious reasons.

[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 4:15 PM. Reason : `````````]

5/9/2006 4:14:10 PM

LOCK IT UP
LOCK IT IN
LET ME BEGIN

5/9/2006 4:15:09 PM

suuuuuuuuuuuuure






do you see that little dot on the right?

thats a pig flying

[Edited on May 9, 2006 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2006 4:16:06 PM

Quote :

"And his name is Matt, but I'm not going to give out his last name or other personal info for obvious reasons."

What obvious reason? Edomite black helicopters coming in the night?

5/9/2006 4:20:13 PM

jews will suicide him

5/9/2006 4:20:46 PM

Quote :

"What obvious reason? Edomite black helicopters coming in the night?"

For the same reason that I don't give out my own last name and personal info.

Are you going to give us your full name, address, and employer info Mr. Joshua?

5/9/2006 4:24:00 PM

What are the obvious reasons that I'm missing here?

5/9/2006 4:26:01 PM

Look. He wouldn't want me giving out that information. That's for him to decide.

Oh, and....

Are you going to give us your full name, address, and employer info Mr. Joshua?

5/9/2006 4:28:35 PM

ahahahaha

my situation is much different than yours, little buddy.

5/9/2006 4:30:10 PM