I think the business data plan is $15 more for use of the Exchange push service?

The personal data plan does not allow for that I guess.

6/10/2008 10:41:49 AM

^^yeah it's windows mobile 6.1. It's got an integrated sony interface though that uses panels and looks pretty neat. There's a bunch of videos on youtube. After a while i've become a fan of WM just because of all the programs out there for it. You can find almost anything you need, whereas with BBs or the iphone (that will be changing very quickly) you're very limited.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 10:43 AM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 10:42:54 AM

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"Unlimited texting is up to $20 a month? I remember when it was $5. After bullshit fees thats going to be ~$100/month for the base minute plan with unlimited text. Fuck that."

a blackberry with unlimited data and texting is just as much

it sucks, but there isn't much way around it

6/10/2008 10:49:05 AM

I just found out I get 25% off AT&T devices (includes iPhone) from work discount i also get 8% off services, but alas, not on iphone data plans

but still $150 iPhone3G

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 11:14:39 AM

^^ Yes it sucks, I could almost justify it to have a phone with gps & the internet everwhere I go. $80/month I would probably do, kind of paltry to quibble over an extra $10/month but at some point you have to just say no.

6/10/2008 11:17:11 AM

YOU NEED GPS WORSE THAN ANYONE I KNOW.

(thats all i have to say here)

6/10/2008 11:22:11 AM

i'm not gonna upgrade until it has video recording

i mean, how hard would that be?

6/10/2008 11:41:04 AM

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"YOU NEED GPS WORSE THAN ANYONE I KNOW. (thats all i have to say here)"

if this is directed at me then i say you are 100% correct

i'm the worse "ah lets just keep goin this (very wrong) way and see how ti works out..." kind of guy

6/10/2008 11:56:54 AM

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"i'm not gonna upgrade until it has video recording i mean, how hard would that be?"

and MMS, and a flash for the camera, and a decent speakerphone

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"I think the business data plan is $15 more for use of the Exchange push service? "

No, I think that feature is for everyone. They charge more for business data plan for the same reason they charge $10 more for data if you use an iPhone 3G: because they can.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM. Reason : v]

6/10/2008 12:09:53 PM

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"i'm not gonna upgrade until it has video recording i mean, how hard would that be?"

there's a third party application called showtime (prob others too) which does video recording, and it works pretty well.

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"and MMS, and a flash for the camera, and a decent speakerphone"

MMS and flash would be cool, but I read the speaker is better on the 3G model. And I suspect the MMS issue will be addressed in a software update at some point.

6/10/2008 12:53:14 PM

and lets not forget the 2 megapixel camera which was not upgraded.

6/10/2008 1:50:28 PM

I'm actually fine with 2 megapixels. I'd say this camera is better than most I've used (granted, I'm not really one who chases uber phones but I've used a few nokia and a few samsung camera phones). It really does need a flash though because it's worthless in low light.

That video recording app is OK, but doesnt it top out at 5 seconds or something ridiculous? Maybe I need to give it another spin.

6/10/2008 2:13:38 PM

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"and lets not forget the 2 megapixel camera which was not upgraded."

which you've already mentioned on the last page. are you planning on hitting every page with the same iPhone sucks because ______ points?

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"It really does need a flash though because it's worthless in low light."

true, the low light performance leaves much to be desired. and i'm assuming that software isn't going to fix that one

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"That video recording app is OK, but doesnt it top out at 5 seconds or something ridiculous?"

Showtime is limited to 5 seconds unless you "donate," then they send you a key which supposedly unlocks it. There might be other apps out there, but I'm just saying that the technology is out there. I'm not sure what the 5 second holdup is/was all about, there was some drunknbass app which was limited to 5 seconds too.

6/10/2008 2:32:32 PM

Just bc it's only 2MP doesn't mean it sucks balls. Resolution is NOT everything. It does a hell of a lot better pictures than any other 2MP camera I've used and better than a lot that are higher resolution.

Just because other cameras have more pixels does not mean they produce a better picture.

6/10/2008 2:33:35 PM

and the camera is hardly the main feature unlike other "camera" phones like the 3.0MP flipshot, etc...

6/10/2008 2:37:30 PM

I was considering buying one, but i can't resign my contract right now.

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"unlike other "camera" phones like the 3.0MP flipshot, etc..."

I guess. But the real "camera" phones are 5 megapixels. You'd think apple would have atleast gone to 3.

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"Just because other cameras have more pixels does not mean they produce a better picture. "

Yes it obviously depends on the optics and lense, but i was never that impressed with the 2 MP sensor on the iphone. I mean they market it as a media device and yet they still haven't updated the lens. Older nokia and sony phones have much better camera lenses. I guess i'll shut up about the specs. It will never satisfy me.

I just wish we could have the specs of a Xperia or HTC ppc and the gui of an Iphone. Now that would be the ultimate phone.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 2:53 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2008 2:51:13 PM

^isn't the HTC Mogul 2.0MP? the Xperia 3.2MP

6/10/2008 2:57:53 PM

^the HTC Mogul is an old phone. The new HTC Diamond has a 3.2MP as well as the Xperia. But i never said either of those had a 5mp.

Previously when i posted about the xperia i said "3.2 MP camera w/ flash (5 would have been nicer)." 3.2 is alright, mainly because it has the flash. 5 would be nice, but there's only a few 5MP phones out now.

6/10/2008 3:03:28 PM

i agree the iphone needs a flash of some sort

6/10/2008 4:08:01 PM

I will be buying up some old iphones as the mac faithful rush to get the 3g model. I have a few projects in mind where the wifi, touchscreen and data storage could come in handy.

It would be interesting to try this project with an unlocked iphone instead of the digital8 recorder + modular display.

http://www.c-h-a-o-s.com/2007/06/12/diy-how-to-build-a-camcorder/

6/10/2008 5:57:17 PM

The iPhone 2mp camera delivers better quality than any non-sony Camera phone I've seen.

MP DOES NOT MEAN SHIT on small CCD cameras.

6/10/2008 6:20:24 PM

thank you noen for reiterating what i said

(seriously, people just don't understand.. I've had higher and lower MP cameras on phones and I've found MP just doesn't seem to matter)

6/10/2008 6:27:41 PM

I got to play with a couple of "10mp" samsung camera phones from Korea.

The iPhone and oooollld Sony Ericsson S710A were vastly superior in picture quality

6/10/2008 6:44:33 PM

I thought CCDs were also in compact cameras with much smaller sensors than slrs. When comparing compact cameras (point-and-shoots) the amount of pixels is important, right?

I mean i'm aware MPs are only one factor along with the optics and quality of the lens, but saying a 2MP camera has great picture quality can only go so far. 1600 by 1200 won't even fill my desktop. What if i want to make a larger print? Can a 2MP camera be so much better in quality that it outweighs the benefit of 10MP's resolution/size? And those samsung 10MP cameras had that bad of quality that a 2MP sensor looked better?

-so for example if i took the Sony K850i which has a 5mp sensor and compared it to another Sony phone with say 2-3.2MP but the same quality CCD sensor, you're saying the 5mp wouldn't look better simply because it's got a larger resolution? You said MP does not mean shit on small CCD cameras. Or did you simply mean if you're comparing a crappy CCD 10MP with a nice CCD 2MP, then it means shit?

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 8:38 PM. Reason : ..]

6/10/2008 8:28:39 PM

Dude, it's a telephone.

Come the fuck on.

6/10/2008 8:41:42 PM

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"Or did you simply mean if you're comparing a crappy CCD 10MP with a nice CCD 2MP, then it means shit? "

basically that's how it really is. the problem is there isn't much way to judge just by looking at specs whether you're getting a 2MP camera that's going to take very good pics for a phone or a 10MP camera that's going to take horribly shitty pictures. IMO quality is most important, MP's are second. I'd much rather have a 2MP that takes great pictures although not the highest resolution rather than high resolution pics that I really can't even see any detail in because the sensor was so shitty to begin with.

I'll post some pics of some of the better ones from my iphone in a bit if I can find them.. I haven't seen many phone pictures that are any better.

oh, and

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"Dude, it's a telephone. Come the fuck on. "

6/10/2008 8:50:54 PM

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"Dude, it's a telephone. Come the fuck on."

+3

6/10/2008 10:46:43 PM

5 years ago, they were sayin that in regard to music and email then everyone started using thier phones for internet and media. 5 years from now i'm sure phones and compact cameras will merge together. I mean there's already the Sony line of "Cybershot Phones". Why should i carry a phone AND a compact camera, when i can have both?

6/10/2008 10:57:29 PM

Concerning the discussion about the video camera software, there's a program on installer called Video Recorder that lets you take 30 second video clips. supposedly they registered version ups that.

6/10/2008 11:09:39 PM

so do Premier discounts apply for iphone purchases?

i.e. do i get my 25% off device purchases

6/11/2008 12:36:01 AM

evan your fatass fingers probably would make it hard to use the iPhone so gtfo


[Edited on June 11, 2008 at 12:39 AM. Reason : not chit-chat, dammit]

6/11/2008 12:39:41 AM

no, actually, i had a first gen iphone but returned it because it wasn't able to sync with my exchange server at work, that's kind of a dealbreaker for me

the keyboard worked fine however

you sure are relentless

[Edited on June 11, 2008 at 12:44 AM. Reason : also, i ask this question because i didn't get it on my first gen one... has anything changed?]

6/11/2008 12:44:16 AM

in all seriousness, i think you can get a discount on hardware (even iphone), was mentioned earlier in this thread.

i'd say check at&t's site, but its a piece of shit


EDIT: exchange shit here : http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/

[Edited on June 11, 2008 at 12:47 AM. Reason : exchange]

6/11/2008 12:46:57 AM

yeah, i looked on the premier site & the press release & leaked memo but none of them said anything

oh well, i'm willing to pay either price, but 25% off makes it even better

[Edited on June 11, 2008 at 12:48 AM. Reason : yeah, i know it does exchange now - that's the reason i'm getting one]

6/11/2008 12:48:08 AM

anyone know how to get a unlocked phone, and how it might work with Suncom?

6/11/2008 1:51:52 AM

The only unlocked phones you'll find are the EDGE iphones.


For the 3G model, you gotta sign the 2-year service contract if you want to buy the phone. It gets activated at AT&T before it ever leaves the store. That, and there seems to be some confusion about whether the SIM card is even removeable this time around.

[Edited on June 11, 2008 at 4:16 AM. Reason : 2]

6/11/2008 4:15:11 AM

^ i would hope so considering they go bad from time to time.

so at&t still has exclusive rights to the iphone? i was hoping that they would go to sprint or verizon, even though the service isn't that great here.

so if at&t is getting the iphone on 7/11, boooooooooooo. i want them to come out with it now, so that the early adopters can figure out all the bugs.

if i were to get one, i don't need the data plan. text messaging maybe, but $39.99 is cool with me since 99% places I go to have free 802.11g.

[Edited on June 11, 2008 at 5:52 AM. Reason : screw their data plan/]

6/11/2008 5:48:20 AM

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"so at&t still has exclusive rights to the iphone? i was hoping that they would go to sprint or verizon, even though the service isn't that great here."

when they announced it last year, there was word that AT&T has a 5 year exclusivity contract on it in the US, i believe.

6/11/2008 7:29:24 AM

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"if i were to get one, i don't need the data plan. text messaging maybe, but $39.99 is cool with me since 99% places I go to have free 802.11g."

can you even get one without a data plan?

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"anyone know how to get a unlocked phone, and how it might work with Suncom?"

sounds like you'll have to buy one on ebay (bring mucho $) and unlock it through ziphone or a group like that. i'm sure they'll have an unlock out for the 3g before or soon after it's release

6/11/2008 7:57:01 AM

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"That, and there seems to be some confusion about whether the SIM card is even removeable this time around."

It will def. be removable. There has to be access to the sim card on a gsm phone.

(screenshot from wwdc '08):

6/11/2008 8:06:09 AM

So all current iphone users who want to go to the 3g version will have to start a 2-year contract over again? I guess they're making more money in the long run because this way they get everyone in another 2 year contract as opposed to just charging more for the phone w/o a contract.

It's just that i'm still in school and on a family plan because it's quite a bit cheaper, so there's really no way for me to get the new iphone because the rents just signed another contract a few months ago and probably won't resign it just so i can get an iphone which i've been considering if i could get one for only 199$.

6/11/2008 8:33:14 AM

here's a breakdown of how the contracts will work
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/06/10/iphone-upgrade-breakdown/

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"Assuming that the memo is real and that AT&T's policy won't change between now and July 11, this is the situation: If you are a current AT&T customer and you have a 2G iPhone Take a deep breath, you can get the new iPhone 3G for the new lower price (starting at $199.99), as long as you sign a new two-year contract and add-on one of the new required data plans. To quote from the AT&T memo: When the 3G device launches, all active postpaid customers in good standing with a 2G iPhone will be eligible to receive the qualified upgrade pricing for a 3G device regardless of service tenure. (Customers that would not otherwise be eligible due to tenure will be made eligible at launch). So if you bought an iPhone in June of last year -- you can upgrade to the new 3G phone. If you bought an iPhone in May (maybe you were the last person in your city to buy one), you can still upgrade at the lower price. If you are a current AT&T customer and you do NOT have a 2G iPhone You may or may not be eligible to buy the iPhone 3G at its lower price upon release. It depends on the length of your contract, the time of your last handset upgrade and anything else that weighs into AT&T's standard upgrade policy. The pricing for non-qualified upgrades has not been determined, but phones will still need to be activated in-store and with a data-plan and two-year contract. If you are a new AT&T customer Assuming you pass the credit check (Pre-Paid and Pick-Your-Plan are not eligible for the iPhone 3G), you can get the iPhone 3G for the new lower price. You will be required to sign up for a two-year contract and a voice and data plan. Cancellation policy spelled-out From the AT&T memo: To cancel service within the first 30 days, the customer must return their equipment to the place of purchase (no exceptions). If the customer cancels service after 30 days, they will be charged the ETF. The customer is not required to return the device to cancel after 30 days. So you have 30-days to return your iPhone 3G and your service will be cancelled as soon as you return the device. After 30 days, you can keep your phone but canceling service will mean you are responsible for the the ETF (early termination fee), which is usually several hundred dollars."

6/11/2008 8:57:57 AM

App Store opens June 27th.

6/11/2008 9:42:24 AM

Would porting your current number over to AT&T be considered a new line of service?

6/11/2008 12:36:21 PM

would think so

6/11/2008 12:50:07 PM

^^

Yes.

6/11/2008 1:31:54 PM

that's pretty much the definition of a new line of service. porting your number from another carrier has nothing to do with it.

6/11/2008 2:19:42 PM

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"If you are a current AT&T customer and you do NOT have a 2G iPhone You may or may not be eligible to buy the iPhone 3G at its lower price upon release. It depends on the length of your contract, the time of your last handset upgrade and anything else that weighs into AT&T's standard upgrade policy. The pricing for non-qualified upgrades has not been determined, but phones will still need to be activated in-store and with a data-plan and two-year contract. "

thats some serious bullshit, if they arn't going to sell this without a contract thats like screwing over your own customers. Thats like saying, everybody else can get the new iPhone, just not the people already with us, until your contract is up.

6/11/2008 2:44:59 PM

When this many "variables" become involved about whether or not you can purchase the damn phone, along with this in-store activation nonsense all I can see is a giant clusterfuck July 11th.

6/11/2008 2:47:04 PM

hmm so whats the deal going to be for all of the people outside of the US where contracts aren't standard or really even an option as far as i know?

higher price i'm assuming??

6/11/2008 3:07:48 PM