there you go, there's some inflated stats to defend Rivers with..

1/11/2009 7:52:19 PM

that dood is fast

1/11/2009 7:52:23 PM

God damn defense

this is what happens when you let rivers have the ball

instead weddle decided to play soccer with the football and head the fucking shit

1/11/2009 7:52:34 PM

Turner > LT

1/11/2009 7:52:38 PM

yup, very fast

1/11/2009 7:52:41 PM

oh and norv's playcalling has been shittastic at best

Why on earth were they trying to have sproles run through the tackles just about everytime sproles ran.

norv

1/11/2009 7:53:53 PM

you think San Diego wishes they had franchised Turner for this season?

1/11/2009 7:53:58 PM

they franchised him last year I thought

so they couldnt do it again this year

[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM. Reason : could be mistaken though]

1/11/2009 7:54:29 PM

at least turners balls didn't fall off in the playoffs, LT is a fucking failure anyway you look at it for his bruised balls not playing in the playoffs.

1/11/2009 7:57:11 PM

Quote :

"there you go, there's some inflated stats to defend Rivers with.."

lol before that play he was 20 for 34 with 245 yds, 2 TD and 1 INT - an 88.5 rating. not great, but it's not like he threw up something in the 40's

1/11/2009 7:57:44 PM

it is crazy how he has rarely played in the playoffs


GG chargers

solid game for priv

1/11/2009 7:58:14 PM

Biggest rivers fuckup was not hitting that deep ball to VJ in the first half. Have to make that play in a big game.

But the defense that has been shitty all year is what killed them. coudlnt stop shit on 3rd down and got gashed in running game.

[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 7:59 PM. Reason : /]

1/11/2009 7:58:53 PM

^^^ oh I agree... in fact, they are pretty similar to Peyton's stats except one more TD and one more INT and more sacks and since everyone but me said Peyton choked....



[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 7:59 PM. Reason : d]

1/11/2009 7:59:17 PM

^^he was about to get cracked

i thought he did a pretty good job to get it near jackson

jackson had it too.....just barely off

[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:00 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/11/2009 7:59:45 PM

PEYTON CONSPIRACY

LT has seemed like a pussy the last couple years, but his stats and accomplishments make me hesitant to think he's that fragile...I think he just has a lot of wear and tear and is past his prime

1/11/2009 8:00:51 PM

attention asshole JB, just so you know, Steelers defense is #1 in the league for this season, thanks for playing though, go jerk you little dick off to Peyton manning and his brother.

1/11/2009 8:01:16 PM

sheli choked (especially with that fucking running game)

peyton, not nearly as much, but the entire colts offense choked in that game...you can't deny that. plus he was playing the ANTITHESIS of the steelers defense

[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:02 PM. Reason : .]

1/11/2009 8:01:45 PM

^^ ah, so thats what it was...

^ I dont think so much as choke as it was they just werent the better team. BEFORE the game I said that the lack of a running game by the Colts would do them in, and that's exactly what happened.

[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM. Reason : d]

1/11/2009 8:02:16 PM

go Cardinals?

1/11/2009 8:02:48 PM

seriously, if you're trying to say PRiv stats:peyton stats::steelers d:chargers d

well then you're wayyyyy beyond me

[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM. Reason : .]

1/11/2009 8:03:46 PM

Yeah I don't know who to pull for now.

Maybe the Eagles

1/11/2009 8:04:49 PM

always an excuse... how good the defense was didnt matter back a few years when Manning "choked" to the Patriots and their badass defense, or even the Steelers a few years ago, it didnt seem to matter then but now that its convenient for your argument it does matter

[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM. Reason : d]

1/11/2009 8:05:13 PM

Manning and Rivers are both losers this year

1/11/2009 8:08:52 PM

lol - so you pull out the the colts vs pats card and ignore the 3-9 first round record of peyton card

it's a two way street buddy boy

1/11/2009 8:08:55 PM

^ most of which occurred before they had even a serviceable defense or was agains the Pats (great defense), and the COLTS are 3-9, not Manning. If you think Manning hurts the Colts chances to win you are a fucking moron


I swear you will ALWAYS take the opposite argument no matter what. They could have the identical performance against the identical team and you would find some other random thing. Do I think Rivers "choked"? no, not at all, but I also dont think Manning did. And their performances were so close that I dont think you could say one did and the other didnt



and I am sure you are off looking up some stats to show me a slight difference

HA! there you go



[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:22 PM. Reason : d]

1/11/2009 8:11:30 PM

it's interesting what happens when you look at stats - what can i say, i'm a nerd for numbers

passing defense

2008 steelers: #1 - 157.9 YPG
rivers: 245 yds (+88 yds or 56% above avg allowed) - not counting the "pad" at the end, right?

2003 pats: #9 - 214.5 YPG
manning: 237 yds (+22 yds or 10% above avg allowed)

2004 pats: #11 - 224.3 YPG
manning: 238 yds (+14 yds or 6% above avg)

rushing in these losses
2008 chargers: 15 yds
2003 colts: 98 yds
2004 colts: 46 yds

overall defenses
2008 steelers: #1
2003 pats: #7
2004 pats: #9

[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/11/2009 8:21:19 PM

ok, those are too close to show any performance difference, hell, that one play where either Manning or Wayne looked the wrong way would have taken care of that. And there is a lot more than just pure yardage allowed that goes into defense, especially when you have fucking Asante Samuel, Ed Reed, etc. I would rather have a team go up against the Steelers than the Ravens when having to pass just for Ed Reed alone, more than makes up for the yardage difference


[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:28 PM. Reason : s]

1/11/2009 8:23:39 PM

ahaha

so rivers throws a 63 yd td pass and you brush it off as inflated stats for arguments

but then it's "well if this or that happened for manning"

jesus christ

PS - rivers' real stats were 308 yds passing (95% above average yds allowed)

1/11/2009 8:26:34 PM

in the snow

1/11/2009 8:27:21 PM

^^ if you watched both games and say "Rivers was AMAZING and Peyton totally choked" then I give up, they played very similarly and their teams werent good enough to win. It was a late TD when the defense was in prevent. Sure it counts officially, but it doesnt mean he played any better or worse than Peyton

^ snow affects both teams, never used that excuse for Peyton when it snowed in NE




[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:30 PM. Reason : d]

1/11/2009 8:29:00 PM

with no LT






















heh just playing

1/11/2009 8:29:08 PM

Quote :

"snow affects both teams"

actually it doesnt affect the steelers as much since all 11 of them on defense are jacked up on coke and roids

a franchise tradition since 1971

[Edited on January 11, 2009 at 8:31 PM. Reason : .]

1/11/2009 8:30:56 PM

its like they got a tooooo box

1/11/2009 8:31:16 PM

Good Job Chargers u looked all around like SHIT tonight

1/11/2009 11:54:16 PM

[Edited on January 12, 2009 at 12:09 AM. Reason : With apologies to marko.]

1/12/2009 12:09:09 AM

Can someone please explain to me since the packpride people are nuts why they can't cheer for the Panthers because they have a shade of blue on those jerseys of theirs but yet I see P Riv sporting a powder blue (very carolina blue looking) tobog? I cheer for him every game but to cheer on his team and be a charger fan when they are the farthest team in the NFL from Raleigh is a little baffling to me. I compare that to the UNC fans who cheered on the Bulls because of Jordan.

[Edited on January 12, 2009 at 3:25 AM. Reason : Thanks for responses. ]

1/12/2009 3:25:08 AM

^ that's stupid. There are a large number of panthers fans on there.

a handful of people who are haters because they have a star DE who was a UNC alum means dick.

I also pull for the chargers second to the panthers because of rivers. Ain't nothing wrong with it at all. Rivers is the only bright spot for NCSU athletics in the last decade. If we were contending for ACC titles in either Bball or football, i think the rivers effect would be diminished. But as it stands, he's about the only positive thing going that's anywhere near related to NCSU athletics.

1/12/2009 7:33:07 AM

Quote :

"Can someone please explain to me since the packpride people are nuts why they can't cheer for the Panthers because they have a shade of blue on those jerseys of theirs"

^ ya i know a shit ton of Colts fans b.c they grew up Tennessee fans; usually cause their parents went there.

1/12/2009 7:41:08 AM

Quote :

"Rivers is the only bright spot for NCSU athletics in the last decade... But as it stands, he's about the only positive thing going that's anywhere near related to NCSU athletics."

That's a ridiculous statement. Rivers may be the best thing to come out of NCSU athletics in a long time, but he's not the only positive in recent history...

NFL:
Mario Williams (Pro Bowl)
Adrian Wilson (2x Pro Bowl)
Torry Holt (7x Pro Bowl)
Jerricho Cotchery

Carl Pettersson - PGA Golfer (Won the '08 Wyndham Championship)

Cullen Jones - 2008 Olympic Gold Medalist

And yes, I know Torry Holt isn't really "in the last decade" considering he graduated in '98, but just trying to give a few example.

1/12/2009 8:21:31 AM

Also, we have contended for the ACC title in basketball 3 times in the last decade.

Unfortunately we lost all of them, but we still contended.

1/12/2009 8:59:19 AM

Rivers looked pretty good last night considering pitts defense and charges shitty defense.

1/12/2009 10:08:21 AM

If the Chargers can shore up their OLine some, get a better safety than Clinton Hart out there and hope LT returns to somewhat of his older self they should be in good shape next season. I still say they should've drafted Dajuan.

1/12/2009 10:17:44 AM

Merriman is a faggot.

He injured his leg in January 08

But waited until September to have it actually checked out by doctors. If he had surgery in January he would probably have been back for the postseason at least.

1/12/2009 10:21:21 AM

Quote :

"That's a ridiculous statement. Rivers may be the best thing to come out of NCSU athletics in a long time, but he's not the only positive in recent history..."

Ok, I wasn't really clear about what I was getting at. I'll blame that on pre-coffee posting. I should have said that he is one of the few bright spots over the past decade. Certainly there are other positives with NCSU athletics, but none that have the level of media attention that one of the top QBs in the NFL get as the face of the entire franchise.

At least, for me, his success helps me cope with how bad our FB and BB teams have been and as such, I've adopted the Chargers as my 2nd favorite NFL team.

1/12/2009 10:33:19 AM

Quote :

"NFL: Mario Williams (Pro Bowl) Adrian Wilson (2x Pro Bowl) Torry Holt (7x Pro Bowl) Jerricho Cotchery"

there's also the likes of Stephen Tulloch and Manny Lawson that could be future Probowlers

1/12/2009 10:34:10 AM

Tulloch? Maybe. He gets a lot of exposure on that D, and it's easy to do well with Haynesworth occupying 2-3 blockers.

Lawson? I seriously doubt it.

Leroy Harris could be a pro-bowler in a few years. He'll start next year.

1/12/2009 12:18:43 PM

LT thinking about retirement?

Sportscenter right now

Ok, just watched LT talk about it, didn't sound like a retirement speech to me.

[Edited on January 12, 2009 at 6:40 PM. Reason : greenberg was like "LT Era may be done" but I didn't get that from the speech]

1/12/2009 6:39:27 PM

I'll be honest and say that I'm not sure how this works in the NFL (probably a lot different than baseball) but if the Chargers could, then they should trade LT while he has any sort of value, or do something to get rid of him at this point.

He is worn out and I don't think he'll ever be a full NFL season back ever again.

1/12/2009 7:03:27 PM

They won't get much in a trade, he has a pretty big contract and every other team would have the same injury and aging concerns that SD has.

Trades are fairly rare overall in the NFL, compared to the other sports. Especially trades involving "superstars"

I think cutting him would be a terrible idea, at least this year. they still have enough cap space to keep him and resign sproles. Next year, when both Rivers and Merriman will need new contracts, I think they consider it.

1/12/2009 7:13:43 PM

^ except for maybe Arizona that is the one franchise where superstar running backs go to fade away.

anyone have any insight/guesses as to what position the Chargers are looking at drafting with their first pick?

[Edited on January 12, 2009 at 7:19 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2009 7:16:42 PM