Figured out the easiest way to spawn larvae super quick. Just a variation on the queens in one control group then hitting backspace deal. For me its really awkward to try and hit backspace with my normal hand positioning, so I just bound mouse4 to backspace. Now all I do is select my queen group, hit shift+v, then just hit mouse4, mouse1, over and over.

10/11/2010 6:35:09 AM

i just group all my queens into group 4 and hit V and click on the hatcheries on the map.

10/11/2010 10:11:18 AM

I've found the Hotkey + V Minimap works best, although sometimes the queens wander off if you have multiple hatcheries and stuff.

10/11/2010 11:57:09 AM

Yeah i used to do minimap, but I totally prefer this. Especially considering I typically tend to make at least 1 if not 2 extra hatches in my main in most 1v1 games it makes things easier. It was rather a pain when I would click on the blob I thought was a hatch but was really a couple tech buildings.

10/11/2010 5:37:49 PM

I'm thinking of buying this game to play for fun. Do I need to upgrade my current laptop for it? The specs:

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo T5900 @ 2.2GHZ, 800 MHz 2M L2 Cache
4GB DDR2 667MHz 2 Dimm Memory
256MB Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT Graphics Card
320GB 5400rpm SATA Hard drive

I guess the first question should be if i could play it with this laptop at all. If not then I guess I'm getting a new laptop for Christmas.

10/11/2010 5:52:40 PM

^ Yes, you can play it. Should be ok on Low graphics settings. Idk about Medium graphics.

10/11/2010 6:20:17 PM

Yeah you can play it on low fine for 1v1 and 2v2 prolly, but if you want to play late game 4v4 lag free, or some of the customs lag free even, you'll need to upgrade.

10/11/2010 6:21:58 PM

b.net was fucking things up for me all night

10/12/2010 3:27:41 AM

Played a few games this morning... one was a stupid toss who did a two gate -> 4 gate. I stupidly saw the 2 gate (he was chronoing zealots) and still went through with my 16 hatch when I should've played more defensively. Played two terrans who i absolutely raped with mutas. Nothing is more satisfying then muta harass. Especially when they try and retaliate with drops. Dumbass terrans don't learn that drops are a bad idea when I have overlords all over half the map and mutas are very fast.

10/12/2010 7:33:16 AM

we didnt get on day9, and i gotta say, our games were better than a couple he picked so bleh

10/12/2010 10:31:38 AM

It was probably my fault, I bet he didn't like how I micro'ed my spine crawlers in battle.

10/12/2010 2:50:34 PM

So I'm reallllly digging fast expand into fast mutas. I've been absolutely raping terrans/toss with it. I have been basically just making two zerglings at the start unless I absolutely have to. The timings are close, today I had one against a terran where I barely got 5 mutas out in time to kill his 5 hellions that were about to roast my expand, but with good scouting things like that can be avoided. As soon as I saw his hellions coming I pulled all my drones into the main and put my queen blocking the ramp, that delayed it long enough. But anyways, its proving to be a very viable strat for where I'm at (Plat/diamond) as long as I keep the pressure on the harass.

10/12/2010 6:59:32 PM

If I dont scout that usually screws me.. if I scout it then I just start pumping marines and hope for the best

10/12/2010 7:01:38 PM

Even against marines I have plenty of success just because of the ability to contain at that point until my muta numbers hit 20+, at that point I can rape a pretty large number of marines. The only build that really has been a little difficult was against a terran who went thor/hellion. I pumped out a bunch of roaches and lings as support back at my base and just killed him every time he pushed out, just wore him down till his two bases were empty.

10/12/2010 7:54:08 PM

i'm so confused and intimidated by this that ive only played this for about 1.5 hours and and am now too nervous to start it up again.

wow, thats pretty pathetic now that i think about it.

10/12/2010 8:15:20 PM

Quote :

"So I'm reallllly digging fast expand into fast mutas. I've been absolutely raping terrans/toss with it. I have been basically just making two zerglings at the start unless I absolutely have to. The timings are close, today I had one against a terran where I barely got 5 mutas out in time to kill his 5 hellions that were about to roast my expand, but with good scouting things like that can be avoided. As soon as I saw his hellions coming I pulled all my drones into the main and put my queen blocking the ramp, that delayed it long enough. But anyways, its proving to be a very viable strat for where I'm at (Plat/diamond) as long as I keep the pressure on the harass."

Same here, working very well with mid/high diamond. Even if it is countered the mobility of lings/mutas makes it so that if I don't get the "pro" creep spread I can still start to take the map and contain the opponent and cover all my expands as I out macro. I continue to do things like that, find ways to limit the amount of micro I need as zerg so I'm competitive. This is also why I've started making extra hatches in my main or at my expands so that if I miss injections I still have larva. Ling/Muta means even if I don't spread my creep to half the map 10 minutes into the game I'm still mobile. Plus this is like the one thing Zerg can set terran up with, hit em with mutas, if they go mass rines, counter with banes.

10/12/2010 8:55:43 PM

Quote :

"i'm so confused and intimidated by this that ive only played this for about 1.5 hours and and am now too nervous to start it up again. wow, thats pretty pathetic now that i think about it."

Don't be, really. My starcraft experience was very limited going into SC2, I had played through maybe a little bit of SC1. Not enough to really remember much of anything. My advice is just pick a race and start there - even if you go 0-5 through your placement matches and end up in bronze you will start getting better. Just focus on producing units efficiently and constantly until you get a better feel for the game.

After playing through the campaign I started off my 1v1 as zerg and got placed into silver. I struggled for quite a while to stay at a 50% win rate. After a while it just sort of clicked and I started winning like 90% of my matches and got pushed up to platinum where I am now. I know the game can be intimidating at the beginning, but its really pretty basic at the lower tiers of the ladder (hell, even at platinum I can screw up half the match and still win easily). Just play a bunch, watch replays on youtube, browse the team liquid forums for strategy tips, you will get good enough to move up the ladder fast.

10/12/2010 9:04:08 PM

so some dude on team liquid made a program that basically optimizes build orders. The one that he posted was a 7 roach build I've used a few times now in 2v2 and it works really well not just with early pressure but just a good build in general. For those looking for a roach build... or just a good build with zerg to start off with give this a shot.

Drones to 10/10, Make OL. Save 200 build pool. Make drones to 15 supply, build extractor at 15/18, make a drone, save 150 make a queen, make a drone, build roach warren, make drone(should be at 18/18 supply now) make 2 overlords, then you'll be able to pump 7 roaches out pretty fast. Move 3 drones to the extractor right when that finishes, and infuse your hatch right when the queen pops out.

From there can either keep making roaches pretty steady but you start to get gas hungry.. but it is a nice opener and I've so far used it to both rush and to get defense and expand behind it. The cool thing is if you get scouted early it looks like a 10 pool ling rush, but it isn't. I just played a dude and he went baneling after seeing that and all the sudden roaches show up.

10/12/2010 10:17:52 PM

awwwwwwww

The fucker that made Colonial wars updated it to 1.6 today and fucked up the whole balance of the game mode now. Horrible horrible iteration. my SC2 experience is now ruined!

10/12/2010 11:33:54 PM

finally took a look at my character code, had been meaning to do that for some time. feel free to add me.

Specter: zmatter.195

i like to play random and i also got placed into platinum 1v1, though i cant quite claim that I play at a platinum level

[Edited on October 13, 2010 at 12:23 AM. Reason : ]

10/13/2010 12:23:16 AM

Just now signed up for wolfweb because of this topic. If anyone wants to play games or get zerg tips, hit me up. Still frustrated with zerg, and have been playing protoss a little (terran is ez mode).

Razor.720.

Lokken, check this link

http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4210235/

If you know all that stuff, no need to go back and forth with A anymore.

10/13/2010 12:51:15 AM

Finally got my first diamond promotion, 4v4, woo! I had played a few 4v4's this morning and had gone 1-2, decided I would play one more then play a quick 1v1 before I had to go to work... of course that last 4v4 goes like 45 minutes and involves us mining out nearly every base. I kept getting roflstomped by voids early on so I didn't contribute too much till the very end when my vikings raped like 15 colossi :p

Next I think I'll work on my 1v1 diamond, I don't really like doing random team 2v2/3v3s since one bad team mate can hurt you too much. Plus I'm pretty close in 1v1 I think.

10/13/2010 7:55:54 AM

Just to keep the list in order and updated.

Tww username: name.character code
Azaka: Azaka.422
BigEgo: ProtisRobit.535
titans78: FLuE.301
Lokken: Lokken.762
JCE2011:AdmiralHaket.306
icyhotpatch: Unity.156
JBaz: JBaz.283
Stimwalt: Stimwalt.306
slackerb: slackerb.591
Doss2k: Doss.357
Doss2k friend: Phoebetor.944
Fry: Lionhart.667
sprocket: sprocket.441
dzags18:zags.414
Wolfmarsh: Lazarus.765
Specter: zmatter.195
mountainlion: Razor.720

10/13/2010 8:05:10 AM

Quote :

"Lokken, check this link http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4210235/"

oh yeah, watched it live

10/13/2010 9:07:06 AM

For whatever reason I am trying to work through the medium AI custom game achievements.

Have any of you gotten the one where you kill the AI in 5 min or less? I'm completely open to the fact that I am noobing it up but I havent been able to get it.

My strategy is 6 pool and rush with workers, but the fucking AI spreads their workers out across the fucking base so it takes forever for me to run everything down and kill it. Took me 8 minutes with this strategy so its not like im close haha

[Edited on October 13, 2010 at 9:51 AM. Reason : *]

10/13/2010 9:51:00 AM

^ would think some sort of proxy marine/scv rush would be the way to do it.

10/13/2010 10:06:22 AM

yeah all the youtube vidoes are for toss/terran. Seems a cannon rush will force the computer to gg quickly. ill give that a go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5j87wWVgfg

10/13/2010 10:47:22 AM

yeah, did it with toss, pretty easy. Did it without knowing that there were achievements for it.

10/13/2010 11:31:42 AM

Quote :

"My strategy is 6 pool and rush with workers, but the fucking AI spreads their workers out across the fucking base so it takes forever for me to run everything down and kill it. Took me 8 minutes with this strategy so its not like im close haha"

Why are you chasing them down? Just kill the buildings, they'll come back to you to try and fend you off and that's when you hit them a few times until they run again and then you go back to the building.

6pool/proxy8rax/proxy10gate will kill even a very hard computer in under the time limit. Just fucking kill them, don't worry about their workers running all over.

10/13/2010 11:40:41 AM

Yeah I thought about that as I was typing up the post.

I was actually hoping for the computer to GG but even with NO workers it still made me kill off all the buildings.

10/13/2010 2:04:57 PM

Haha yeah, if you super cheese the computer it won't GG.

10/13/2010 2:11:43 PM

Anyone gonna be at blizzcon? Buddy of mine won the 'opportunity' to buy tickets to the charity dinner the night before. I figured I would snag them since the 'opportunity' probably wouldn't ever come again.

Hoping to avoid the freaks in costume and sit in on some panels / see some good tourney action.

10/13/2010 2:51:25 PM

SandSanta and I will be there. Too many interesting panels and tournaments to see them all at once this year.

10/13/2010 3:09:42 PM

If I lived out in Cali, I would totally go. But I don't, and I'm broke poor. (yes double negative, that's how little money I have)

10/13/2010 3:57:34 PM

Just played in a tournament and got destroyed lol. One game there was an observer I was so damn embarrased.

10/13/2010 8:58:32 PM

post the replay post the replay!

10/14/2010 9:03:00 AM

They are so bad. I was just just indecisive in both games, and screwed up the first game when helions came and did a horrible micro job and lost almost all my drones, then in the second game did like the slowest least effective early expand ever, then placed spine crawlers really poorly and he just walked by with zealots and stalkers into my main and took out everything. The game with the observer was the first and I bet he was just laughing so hard at how bad I was. I was just sorta hoping he wouldn't post the replay on TL.net under like "worst diamond zerg player ever!"

Pretty funny. I'm just so inconsistent in this game, at times just dominate, double everyone's scores, and other times lose to like 3 helions.

10/14/2010 11:26:03 AM

patch notes 1.2 from TL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160738

a few thoughts:

Quote :

"Void Ray -Damage level 1 increased from 5 to 6 (+4 armored). -Damage level 2 decreased from 10 (+15 armored) to 8 (+8 armored)"

Like that Damage level 1 was increased as non-charged voids are worthless. I'm a little worried about how Voids will counter Carriers and BCs with the level 2 nerf though.

Quote :

"Thor -Energy bar removed. -250mm Strike Cannons is now cooldown-based on a 50-second cooldown. Ability starts with cooldown available (useable immediately after upgrade is researched)."

Dislike this a lot. Now you can't feedback thors.

Quote :

"Corruptor -Energy bar removed. -Corruption is now cooldown-based on a 45-second cooldown. Ability starts with cooldown expired (must wait for full 45-second cycle before usable)."

See ^



[Edited on October 14, 2010 at 3:23 PM. Reason : asdf]

10/14/2010 3:22:17 PM

Interesting patch, defenitly hurt protoss I think, at least the way I play. I like to send 2-3 voids in to their base while im engaged in battle elsewhere, normally knocking out a building or two before they get dealt with. That seems like it will be difficult now, and there is no way to knock out the nexus with 2 voids like you could do before.

10/14/2010 3:54:43 PM

Wow I was not expecting the patch this soon. Not really too much that we didnt know about but Im loving a void ray and medic nerf even though i didnt feel either was necessary. Terran are losing some mobility and flexibility which is great. I cant wait to dominate some terran, i think im gonna 7 pool and rush two drones, if you knock out an scv before he finishes the depot thats pretty much gg. Also it will be interesting to see how much this effects a terran wall off. I think terran are gonna have to build their first depot closer to home to make sure they dont lose the scv. Also the roach range buff will help my zvp which is my easiest matchup anyways. Still hate zvz tho

10/14/2010 4:31:14 PM

Can someone post the whole list? I'm net-nannyed until I get off work at 7

10/14/2010 4:35:06 PM

I mean nothing done in the patch really hurts zerg so in that respect I like it.

However, not the changes I wanted to see really. I'd rather have functional hydras then better roaches. The building health is nice. Would love to see health regenerate faster too.

Is it live today? If so, patch right before MLG DC will make things interesting.

10/14/2010 4:35:34 PM

Quote :

"Edit: Patch is Live on NA servers. Edit 2: Servers are working with the new patch now. StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty – Patch 1.1.2 General -Players will no longer receive achievement toasts while their status is set to "Busy." -The messaging when attempting to load a saved game or replay from a previous version has been clarified -Adjusted the amount of points earned and lost by random team participants to properly reflect the strength of a player's teammates. Balance PROTOSS Buildings -Nexus life and shields increased from 750/750 to 1000/1000. Void Ray -Damage level 1 increased from 5 to 6 (+4 armored). -Damage level 2 decreased from 10 (+15 armored) to 8 (+8 armored). -Flux Vanes speed upgrade bonus decreased from 1.125 to 0.703. TERRAN Buildings -Barracks requirement changed from Command Center to Supply Depot. -Supply Depot life increased from 350 to 400. Medivac -Acceleration reduced from 2.315 to 2.25. -Speed reduced from 2.75 to 2.5. Reaper -Nitro Packs speed upgrade now has a Factory Requirement. Thor -Energy bar removed. -250mm Strike Cannons is now cooldown-based on a 50-second cooldown. Ability starts with cooldown available (useable immediately after upgrade is researched). ZERG Buildings -Hatchery life increased from 1250 to 1500. -Lair life increased from 1800 to 2000. -Spawning Pool life increased from 750 to 1000. -Spire life increased from 600 to 850. -Ultralisk Cavern life increased from 600 to 850. Corruptor -Energy bar removed. -Corruption is now cooldown-based on a 45-second cooldown. Ability starts with cooldown expired (must wait for full 45-second cycle before usable). Infestor -Fungal Growth now prevents Blink. Roach -Range increased from 3 to 4. Bug Fixes -Fixed an issue where players could not cast the Feedback spell on Point Defense Drones. -Fixed an issue where the Phoenix would continue to channel Graviton Beam after the target died. -Fixed an issue that would cause Larvae to spawn and be hidden behind Zerg eggs. -Fixed an issue where players were unable to navigate to the Single Player page or watch replays after canceling map downloads from the queue. -Fixed a desync that could occur on user-created maps with custom mod dependencies."

Quote :

"Fixed an issue that would cause Larvae to spawn and be hidden behind Zerg eggs."

I mean ok but who was this affecting?


[Edited on October 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM. Reason : *]

10/14/2010 4:48:02 PM

Quote :

"Medivac -Acceleration reduced from 2.315 to 2.25. -Speed reduced from 2.75 to 2.5."

I cant tell you how many times i've lost medivacs because they reached the destination point before the rest of my army did.

10/14/2010 6:18:28 PM

^this shouldnt effect that at all, this is a nerf on their ability to get in and get out. If you want to have your medivacs follow and autoheal just make them move onto one of your bio units and they will automatically stay with them.

10/14/2010 6:38:26 PM

best part of the patch is

Quote :

"Fixed an issue where the Phoenix would continue to channel Graviton Beam after the target died."

10/14/2010 6:47:51 PM

^ this

[Edited on October 14, 2010 at 7:03 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2010 7:02:51 PM

Woot, after a stupid long ZvP I got promoted to diamond.

10/14/2010 8:53:26 PM

So 16 hatch -> 15 gas -> 14 pool is my new favorite build. Its really fun to use in 2v2s/3v3s/4v4s on any of the maps where you can take an easy xpo. Absolutely rapes if the other team doesnt apply really early pressure. I've found the mutas (usually 8 with my first batch) hit right around when teams are usually pushing out and it either forces them to fall back or deals a shit ton of damage. Then I just keep pushing out more and more mutas while my teammates expand and take out the other teams ground forces. It has been absolutely raping non cheese team builds, my econ is so ridiculous. If I could macro better I would throw in a ton of slings as well but I spend too much time harassing with the mutas

10/14/2010 10:28:53 PM

Played tonight for the first time in over a week 3v3s. Did aight. Still no promotion. I can get used to no more reapers i think. I only saw one player who made them tonight.

On the other hand, I got 6-pooled more tonight than all my previous games combined Expecting that to happen alot more

10/14/2010 10:42:08 PM