I got my third legendary yesterday in Act 2 Hell. lvl 52 Lacuni Bracers... or something. They start bidding at half a mil on the AH. They aren't bad, but definitely not worth that.

6/11/2012 9:28:29 AM

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"I've been doing Act 3 siegebreaker inferno runs... got a lot of good drops so far. if you are DH, it's a joke. I have just above average gear and am sitting with 112k DPS. I roll thru Act 3 inferno and then kill siegebreaker in like 30 minutes a run. got 3 1400+ 2h DPS weapons saturday"

Looking a 500+ 1hander with LoH or socket. Let me know if u get a good one.

6/11/2012 10:26:57 AM

Quote :

"I've been doing Act 3 siegebreaker inferno runs... got a lot of good drops so far. if you are DH, it's a joke. I have just above average gear and am sitting with 112k DPS. I roll thru Act 3 inferno and then kill siegebreaker in like 30 minutes a run."

I assume youre using SharpShooter passive? Even then, 112k is not just 'above' average gear. I have 'decent' gear and im only just passing 60k dps and 42k HP, completely socketed for dexterity, with a 1k+ weapon.

Though I am going 1h bow w/ quiver at the moment so maybe thats why my number is lower?

Did you farm act2 much? We got to belial but havent been able to kill him yet, though we only tried for a short bit late in the evening.

Our barbarian is really stuck. He cant do much in act 2 with us. He is at around 46k hp and has over 600 resist all with his shout, and 8+k armor but is still getting squashed.

[Edited on June 11, 2012 at 10:28 AM. Reason : *]

6/11/2012 10:27:07 AM

Barbs + Inferno = Joke (at least currently).

6/11/2012 10:31:00 AM

Ok so here are my stats and gear. sorry if the images are too big, but i made them pretty small so hopefully it doesnt hurt anyones pages.

Stats:


Gear:



I feel like I want to flip the dex/vit values on my neck and legs, so maybe replacing those is a good idea. I can just never find anything that comes close to my neck on the AH.

Suggestions?

Build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#aRYdXV!aTY!YcZbZb

[Edited on June 11, 2012 at 10:50 AM. Reason : derp legs]

6/11/2012 10:45:08 AM

Quote :

"I assume youre using SharpShooter passive? Even then, 112k is not just 'above' average gear. I have 'decent' gear and im only just passing 60k dps and 42k HP, completely socketed for dexterity, with a 1k+ weapon. Though I am going 1h bow w/ quiver at the moment so maybe thats why my number is lower? Did you farm act2 much? We got to belial but havent been able to kill him yet, though we only tried for a short bit late in the evening. Our barbarian is really stuck. He cant do much in act 2 with us. He is at around 46k hp and has over 600 resist all with his shout, and 8+k armor but is still getting squashed."

my gear really isn't anything special. the key is finding a 2h xbow with a socket so you can throw a high quality emerald in there. mine has 80% crit dmg gem in it and is just under 1k dps with 17 IAS. The bow itself increases dps by like 25k from my previous bow. You def want a 2h for the 50% crit from that passive.

We killed belial a few times but that was when smoke screen had a 3 sec duration and I was unkillable on that fight... the monk and barb in my group each died until their gear was red but i carried to the win

My main was a barb, then I hit act 2 and hated it. I was (and still am) sitting at 51kHP, 600 resist and 7500 armor.

I got sick of the barb so i powerleveled all the other classes. I have 5 60s thanks to the act 3 shit that I AHK'd. They just fixed it the day before yesterday though.

EDIT: most of your gear is better than mine. just my bow is better. add me brontu#1407

[Edited on June 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM. Reason : edit]

6/11/2012 10:48:05 AM

get a 2h bow and pick up Archery passive.. watch your dps skyrocket

6/11/2012 10:50:11 AM

Yeah I figured it was the 2h vs 1h thing. Dammit. I guess I will just deal with the lower DPS because I really enjoy the 1h bow style/look. It took me quite a while to not dual wield and to use a quiver instead.

My hardcore DH uses the 1h but with a shield. Thats probably my favorite combo, but surviving isnt paramount in softcore

6/11/2012 10:56:12 AM

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5626187041

really good forum post about Barb play in Inferno Act II+

Didn't realize how crucial IAS was, along with how important a good shield is. I've been applying some of these suggestions to my own gear, and it's making a huge difference. Act II is going... umm.. better.

6/11/2012 11:46:20 AM

the 1 shots still occur, though... right?

anything that has a spear is a 1 shot for my barb

[Edited on June 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM. Reason : its like fighting 20 fed nidalee's at once]

6/11/2012 1:35:49 PM

Started Act II Inferno and it just makes me not even want to play the game anymore. Anyway to just skip the whole damn act? lol

6/11/2012 3:20:06 PM

Start an Act 3 game in normal, nm or hard mode
Leave game
Enter public game
leave game
Now resume game... you are in inferno on the same quest you originally started

I used that to skip act 2 and go right to siegebreaker

[Edited on June 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]

6/11/2012 3:42:19 PM

I still enjoy my WD, but just looking at DH abilities and scaling makes me think that the DHs were fully designed by a team of meta-gaming programmers and WDs were fully designed by the visual design department.

6/11/2012 4:59:51 PM

i love my dh...being able to tumble over and over is so legit for both exploring and fighting

6/11/2012 5:17:28 PM

^^starting the process of selling off all my WD stuff and rolling either a monk or wizard. Frustrating to know if I put this much time into any of the other classes I'd be probably done w/ act 3 for sure not working my way slowly through act 2.

Guessing I can get 10-20 mil if not more for what I have and that will probably get a monk or wiz further ahead than my WD as soon as I hit 60.

6/11/2012 6:08:42 PM

titans, what's so bad about the WD late game? i just quit using mine because i didn't like it as a whole, not bc i thought he was weak.

6/11/2012 6:13:50 PM

Yeah I did that trick to get into act 3.

I cant move 5 feet without being 1 shot by unavoidable damage. No way I can make it to seigebreaker.

I am at 47k HP too.

6/11/2012 6:27:19 PM

I just began a2 inf on my WD and just feel like I lack gear, not a lack of skills in the WD arsenal. I can survive with pro kiting but its not how a2 inferno should play out. It's just a gear issue, don't go selling your WDs just yet. They will eventually be buffed like a warlock and everyone will want a tanking caster

6/11/2012 6:41:54 PM

i've occasionally been typing WWW.THEWOLFWEB.COM into general chat

6/11/2012 7:06:00 PM

I'm geared out pretty well. I know a few people in other classes geared out worse that fair much better. Quick stats right now I'm working with 30k dps, 30k health, 800 resists. Also real good crit damage bonus(+220% and good crit chance). I look at my gear piece by piece and try to upgrade all the time but when you are at the point that only 2-4 million+ is what it takes to upgrade then you should be at the point to work through Act 2 inf.

The basic problem with the WD is the following-

The first and major issue with the class is the pets suck. They die instantly in the inferno, they don't do good damage, they pull aggro you don't want, and on top of all that their cool down is way to long so if they do die you might have to go 30-40 seconds before you get them back. The fact pets suck is what leads to the next problems :

1 - Mana. WD is the only class where even your basic attack skills use up your mana source. So no matter what you do, you are essentially always mana starved. You are forced to either use splinters and nothing else, or do some type of VQ build which means your spamming abilities for no reason but to keep them on cool down. As a WD you spend to much time trying to manage mana and out of mana and frankly that sucks. It would be like going to a shooting range with all your buddies and they all have machine guns with the extended clip and you have a 2-shot shotgun. They are blasting away having fun while you've spent more time reloading than shooting. I think when they designed the WD they planned on pets taking up 2 slots. But since the pets suck, you fill those spots with needed CC/Damage/Buff spells to try to stay alive and don't have the mana to utilize 6 mana skills. If the pets were better than running out of mana and needing mana would be far less important.

2 - The casting animation is longer than the other classes which makes kiting much more difficult. The WD wasn't suppose to be a kiting class it was suppose to be a CC/control type class with your pets tanking for you and then dropping your dots or damage. But since the pets suck you have to kite and our casting animations make kiting extremely hard. Dealing with elites that move fast, teleport, shoot things, makes it way harder to kite than other classes. This is something verified by many WD that rolled other classes and couldn't believe how much easier it was to kite.

So deciding now if I should just sell off all my stuff which I know would be worth enough to gear new char out nice or stick it out. I'm actually finally geared to the point that I handle act 2 ok but the play style to do it is just miserable. If I wanted to play this way I would have been a DH or wiz and been more effective at it...

6/11/2012 7:39:53 PM

Novicaine.. just got a 757 1her with a socket... u can have it... brontu#1407

[Edited on June 11, 2012 at 8:25 PM. Reason : .]

6/11/2012 8:25:40 PM

I actually feel like I can handle Act 2 OK (other than belial) with the following stats:
DPS 25k
Armor 4k
All Resist 450
Life 16k (Ok, I need to work on this)

The reason I brought up the "Visual Design Team" is that most attacks feel very graphical, but their radius and actual effects are sometimes difficult to determine. I've started using the bug swarm which spreads. The effect stays on the screen for like 3 seconds, but the window for striking appears to be < .5 seconds. Its range is also so hard to determine.

I've also mentioned the wall-of-smush (vertical pole). Its 5 zombies tall, but only the last 3 (or maybe even 2?) appear to cause dmg. I'm assuming they gave it a 720% weapon modifier because its impossible to aim (and has a 25 second CD).

I think so many people use splinters because it actually feels like an active attack. Still feels lacking compared to a DH, though. WD doesn't have anything even remotely close to multishot to blast away groups quickly. The immediate dmg of their 3-trap also is quick burst dmg. The radius is clear and the results are obvious and satisfying.

Right now, I'm using the swarm and Haunt to kite. I runed both for mana regen because as titans mentioned, OOM is really fast and you can't do a damn thing in that state. That and splinters. And the fact that splinters (my auto-attack) eventually makes me OOM drives me nuts. I have to stop everything to get mana back to cast something else. I guess getting a dagger with mana regen is the correct solution?

I don't want to go VQ Bears/Bats again because it just feels like OOM x10. I saw it work once before, but the guys goal was to go all DPS with VQ and die 20x over. Pass.

6/11/2012 8:26:20 PM

^ I got almost the same stats with a Wizard and I can tell you now unless you got some REALLY good gear to go with that you will be dying left and right and find yourself running ALL the time.

6/11/2012 9:22:45 PM

Well, the whole point is to kite. DoT things up, put up a wall to block my way, and Spirit Walk when I need to get close or run away really fast. Things die well before the enrage timer. And the one thing I really do like about WD is the Spirit Vessel rune with gives you a free death (or non-death?) every 120 seconds. I actually can't imagine playing WD without it at this point.

I actually just realized that I don't know how DoTs work with the Weapon Dmg scaling, or more precisely your attack speed. I'm hoping it works like WoW where it always lasts the full duration but you can squeeze extra ticks out of IAS. If not, well that's terrible.

6/11/2012 9:29:26 PM

With your current setup you won't make it through the little canyon at the start of act 2 without dying 40 times.

DoT and Kite sounds great in theory, but you'll keep dying, and you'll keep coming back and DoTing and then you'll finally get them down to 3/4th life but your rez timer will be 30 seconds and when you get back they reset to full health.

Not saying you can't make it work. But for example I just did a butcher run with a monk. To say I was more geared out would be an understatement. Yet I'm watching him stand toe to toe w/ the butcher and didn't die once our whole time through. I'm having to work my ass off kiting all over the place dropping dot's Spirit walking while soul harvesting for the added stats all while trying to keep 4 cooldowns so I can use Spirit Blast. If I was geared similar to him I'd have died 10 times on our way through.

6/11/2012 9:50:17 PM

Granted it was just in normal but my DH straight up walked through acts 2 and 3. Definitely wasn't that easy with my barb.

6/11/2012 10:07:59 PM

Maybe I'm doing something slightly different I'm not accounting for? With my setup, I've soloed all Act 2 Inferno except Belial. It only started getting hard when I had to get Zultan Kuul's blood, and my gear was much worse then.

At this point I've just been running some Inferno Magda runs when solo (Belial when in a party with friends, though). Magda runs take about 30-45 minutes with getting 5 stacks. The only thing that ever hoses me is those damn Deceivers champs if I decide to venture into into The Ruins afterwards. Grrr...

6/11/2012 10:19:51 PM

^^DH is a bit easier than barb. I have both as well, and I beat Act IV Normal with the DH in about 45 minutes today, never going below 50% health.

6/12/2012 1:04:22 AM

So are there any estimates on how much the good stuff will sell for on the real money auction house? I can't decide if I want to do buying or selling

Also, is Blizzard going to take a 15% cut of the real money? If so, that's going to be a lot of cash.

6/12/2012 1:23:38 AM

Its not 15%

I believe they get a cut on commodities, and there is something like a $1 charge on items per auction beyond a set number you get per week.

PayPal takes 15% of anything you transfer from them to your account.

6/12/2012 2:10:45 AM

^^^^ What is the skill tree you are using?

6/12/2012 5:02:35 AM

I mean I ended up early today and started working on the black soulstone quests in that sands/terminus place and probably died 20 times. Not seeing how you got through all that easy with 25k dps, 400 resist, and 16k health? The only thing you have on me is the armor, but when I switched to shield I was pretty close even on that.

Maybe your definition of ease and mine are different.

6/12/2012 6:56:53 AM

servers down for approximately 3 hours this morning (they say 8-11)

6/12/2012 7:59:41 AM

Act II Inferno is now getting to the manageable point on the Barb. Yeah, the right gear is important. Also finding that having the right skills and using them correctly is even more important. Just having the skills/runes lined up on your bar won't unlock any doors in Act II+, you really have to know when/how to use them.

6/12/2012 8:08:56 AM

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"starting the process of selling off all my WD stuff and rolling either a monk or wizard"

keep your stuff and roll a wizard. my main was a monk. so after i found out that DH is ezmode, i rolled one and used all my monk's dex gear. all i had to buy was a bow. now my DH is a beast and my monk is on the bench.

6/12/2012 8:24:57 AM

What do you recommend for Barb? I'm using Ignore Pain, Charge, Frenzy, SuperBarb(can't remember actual name), Stomp, Revenge.

18k HP, 500+ resists, 6k armor, 4.8k damage, 180 MF.

[Edited on June 12, 2012 at 8:30 AM. Reason : -]

6/12/2012 8:29:40 AM

Spirit Walk - Jaunt (extra second)
Locust Swarm - Devouring Swarm (mana). This used to be Soul Harvest, but I felt like I needed DMG to hit everything.
Wall of Zombies - Barricade
Hex - Jinx (20% dmg)
Haunt - Draining Spirit (mana per second). This used to be Unending Grasp with Unbreakable Grasp. I think I should tweak this one a bit.

Pierce the Veil (20% dmg)
Spirit Vessel
Jungle Fortitude (20% Redux)

6/12/2012 9:11:07 AM

Got through act 3 inferno last night, soloed up to and including siegebreaker (fun kitefest running in a huge circle letting hydra do most of the work). Then I decided to join a group to do all of heart of sin and had a blast. Ran with a WD, DH, and a shitty monk. We were able to down most of the elite/champ packs, but probably had 30+ deaths each throughout the course, and then took down Azmodan with ease. He really is a shitton easier to kill than Belial. Tons of loot from the mobs, ended up getting a few 1000+ dps weapons.

6/12/2012 9:32:09 AM

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"18k HP, 500+ resists, 6k armor, 4.8k damage, 180 MF."

i use similar build except i use war cry with the resist boost instead of ignore pain.

i only have roughly 220 or so for all resists, but i also have 40k hp / 5k dps (sword/shield). 18k hp seems WAY low to be in melee range, even with that many resists.

6/12/2012 10:09:18 AM

having a hard time balancing the barb out for act 2.

40k hp, 660ish resists, 8k dps and can't kill stuff fast enough to stay alive.

also bees

6/12/2012 10:11:32 AM

8k dps is way to low for Act II, you should try and get it up to 13-15k. Look at gloves, rings, and amulets with +attack speed. 15% on just gloves or a ring will boost it 2-3k, and if you get more than just one item, then it'll go up higher.

Aim for resists in the 400-500 range unbuffed, so with War Cry + Impunity you're sitting at 700-800+.

Get a shield that has AT LEAST 20% total chance to block. Block on a shield is huge, and very underrated.

Health can be around 30-35k; you'll have to do some "strategic running" from some tougher mobs, but you can manage it.

Also, look at both Ignore Pain AND Leap + Iron Impact (8k armor goes to like 24k or something insane). Ignore Pain is a 30 sec cooldown, with a 7 second uptime with the rune. Leap is a 10 second cooldown, with an uptime of 4 seconds along with some other benefits. They both do about the same thing, keep you alive though big damage. So you've basically got 2 big damage mitigation skills to rotate between that can help you soak a lot of hurt while you're Revenging and Frenzying shit down.

6/12/2012 10:39:05 AM

I recommend playing in public games sometimes. I played in a game last night were it took 3.5 hours to reach and kill Magdha, but it was worth it

6/12/2012 10:39:53 AM

I went for max life regeneration on my gear to offset the 18k HP, and it isn't enough. I'll just need to buy better gear off the AH to give me more life.

6/12/2012 11:52:49 AM

just got to Inferno with my wizard and really having a hard time with elites that use the Jailer attribute. is there anyway you can resist being jailed, besides maybe high dex?

6/12/2012 1:22:59 PM

save teleport/diamond skin for when you get jailed.

otherwise i try to just run really far ahead and let hydra do most of the damage, and throw in an arcane orb if i have defensives up and pray they aren't fast also.

6/12/2012 1:25:34 PM

Servers have been down ALL morning...

6/12/2012 1:34:02 PM

CapnObvious would love to run through act 2 with you and see how it has been easy with how your playing the WD. Might change up what I'm doing if you are doing something I'm missing.

Assuming your basically rolling high attack speed and darts, but your dps isn't even very high. Maybe I'm just being stubborn because I don't want to use the darts. Just don't get how you say you are cruising while I have to work my ass off. You sure you aren't confusing inferno and hell? Or that your stats are actually better? Just don't get how I have nearly double the health and double the resist more dps and you don't get 1 shot every step of the way. The 16k health especially.

6/12/2012 2:10:43 PM

6/12/2012 2:51:42 PM

the answer of "use the auction house" to get through inferno always is a bit of a to me. I don't think it is a compelte copout, but I'm still not going to use it. I prefer to farm with friends and help each other out with our finds.

I mean, i've only found 660dps weapons max in act1 so far. buying a 1k dmg weapon from the AH for 20-50k seems a bit silly. maybe i'll do so on alts.

6/12/2012 2:52:28 PM

RMAH is live. I posted a bunch of stuff at the minimum which is $1.25.

Wonder how this will pan out.

6/12/2012 2:55:32 PM