So here's my take on it

The rule that negates interference on balls tipped at the LOS is the same rule that applied in this case, it's just extended down the field and the ball was intercepted instead of tipped.

11/19/2013 1:20:47 AM

http://www.nfl.com/videos/carolina-panthers/0ap2000000284439/Smith-to-Talib-Ice-up-son

11/19/2013 1:24:49 AM

Quote :

"ICE UP SON"

11/19/2013 1:58:41 AM

Gronk never had a chance at that ball

11/19/2013 2:09:01 AM

just got back from the game

that was great, fuck the pats

totall not pass interference, Brady can't just lob up a shitty pass and hope to get the calls, you'd think he'd remember that safety in the Super Bowl

anyway, LOL ACTION CATS R BAK!!11

11/19/2013 7:15:26 AM

As an impartial observer, I can see that call going either way and see the argument from both sides. The pass does not look catchable, but Keuchly clearing is committing pass interference if you believe the ball was catchable by Gronk.

Great win for the Panthers. I might latch onto them for the rest of the season. I pretty much just root for NC State players when it comes to the NFL instead of teams.

11/19/2013 7:45:24 AM

That ball is intercepted before it reaches the receiver no matter the interference.

One of the best game deciding calls I've ever seen a ref make.

11/19/2013 8:27:13 AM

Yeah I mean we may be biased some, but I agree I think no call there being that its the final play of the game was the right call. Yes he was draped all over Gronk, but Gronk also had no shot at that pass. If the pass gets through or anywhere near him then it should be PI, but it didnt and I am glad the refs were able to see that and let the players decide a game.

11/19/2013 8:30:32 AM

"If the ball is intercepted or knocked down prior to reaching the receiver, there is no foul for Pass Interference." -NFL Rulebook.

via Jim Utter on twitter. He works for the Charlotte Observer, so unless he just pulled that outta his ass to troll pats fans there was no PI. I've yet to see a picture of the mugging without the ball in the air, thus defensive holding and illegal contact are not in play either.

Basically, we got lucky that Brady threw such a shit pass.. if it had been thrown to the back of the endzone where Gronk ran the route, woulda been PI for sure.



[Edited on November 19, 2013 at 8:37 AM. Reason : .]

11/19/2013 8:35:53 AM

Being an NC State & Panthers fan, I'm still not used to breaks going our way. Flag thrown in the endzone on the final play of the game and then picked up for a no call?! Late fumble in the Seattle game, last minute TD in the Buffalo game, and now the last two weeks we've actually pulled out wins.

I do agree that some type of explanation by the refs would go a long way in quelling some of the fan outrage, especially since it doesn't seem to be a consistent policy with certain refs explaining calls and other not so much.

11/19/2013 8:38:52 AM

Carolina refs like always. Bet Roy paid them off.

11/19/2013 8:41:21 AM

I thought an interception in the endzone would have resulted in a touchback, rather than a safety? it makes no difference of course, but when I saw 24-22 I thought it looked strange.

11/19/2013 8:41:34 AM

We aren't any good. We arent playoff contenders until we make the playoffs. We arent super bowl contenders untilwe make the super bowl. You cant just look at how we are playing to determine if we are good. You have to look at our 6 worst plays of the season and extrapolate our weaknesses based on the results of those plays.

Dont use stats or logic to support claims. Use anecdotes, cliches, and listen to talking heads before forming opinions.

/wolfweb mentality.


Did I miss anything haters?

11/19/2013 8:45:58 AM

uhh it was a touchback... the final score was 24-20

11/19/2013 8:46:33 AM

Well, I thought we'd go 1-1 against the 49ers/Pats, glad we eeked out 2 close wins and made it to 2-0, now I'll concede that we should make the playoffs(if we don't, still think it'll cost Rivera his job).

Still not standing on my soapbox beating my chest claiming "WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL" like some of you, but I'll concede that we're finally over the hump that was keeping us down early this season and last year...losing close games. That's really the biggest difference between this run we're on and last year, we're finally winning the close games.

Now to just make sure we don't start overlooking the next 2 games with the big game with the Saints on the horizon. Dolphins have a strong D but a sporadic offense, so could be another low-scoring slugfest next week.

11/19/2013 9:04:44 AM

does gronk giving no effort at all to return to the ball not play a factor?

All I keep hearing is that "it's got to be a penalty because Gronk could have at least attempted to make a play on the ball, but couldn't because of interference"... welll sure, but doesn't he have to show any effort of that to create the penalty - with the understanding that an underthrown ball negates the penalty, there can't be a penalty if Gronk is running through the back of the end zone, because there is no play on the underthrown ball. To me, if Gronk changes direction and fights to the ball, I think he gets that penalty; but he kept going away from the ball with no effort to change.

11/19/2013 9:11:41 AM

boy espn and sportscenter is based in new england right? sheesh

anyway 50/50 call too bad, it was a poorly thrown ball (brady admitted) and we had defenders all over the place, less than 10% chance it would have been caught and refs didn't want to decide the game boo hoo espn (and every ref analyst has backed it up)

and as just said ^, the least gronk could do is try to move or lift up his arms to actually make it a physical penalty, he made no move because he didn't think he could catch it or it was already intercepted, offense gets enough advantages they don't need to just wait for penalties to win games, again boo hoo espn

11/19/2013 9:24:42 AM

if no flag was thrown, then would we be talking about the horribly missed call?

other than patriots fans and possibly a brief mention of a not so great no-call, I doubt.

[Edited on November 19, 2013 at 9:27 AM. Reason : whodafucksaidsafety?whaaa]

11/19/2013 9:27:23 AM

it's a penalty. he has no opportunity to go for the ball b/c Luke is bear hugging him. it's at least holding or face guarding him. Luke doesn't go for the ball ever. everybody is acting like Tom threw in the dirt. Gronk is know to catch those balls. he done it plenty of time. all the times he at least can go for the ball. hard to do this when a linebacker is on you like on a coat.

go panthers. it's a W. onto next week.

11/19/2013 9:28:31 AM

I don't think anyone is crowning our asses yet, but things are certainly looking up. if 3 games last year go the right way, we would have been 10-6 last year and in the playoffs. we're a year off from where we should be, but I'll take it at this point. I've given Cam a lot of shit (some deserved, some not), but he's finally playing the way he SHOULD, which is not having to be the only person to win the game. the past 2 years the defense and special teams were AWFUL, and that meant Cam HAD to win the games. now he doesn't, and his improved play shines through. he isn't a "game manager", but a QB that can (and does) make the plays to win. I'm still not fully sold on him, and I'm definitely not sold on Rivera, but things are trending up. who ever thought we'd be saying that?

given the team's losses and wins, 7-3 seems about right either way (though imagine how people would feel if we were 7-3 with wins over Buffalo and Arizona, but losses in the last two to NE and SF). with what we've done, which is playing Seattle close, shitting the bed to Buffalo, and losing on the road to an apparently tough Arizona team, the wins against SF anf NE do legitimize the team. and if we look at the schedule...

NFC South (2-0) Games Remaining: NO, @NO, TB, @ATL
NFC West (2-2) Games Remaining: None
NFC 2nd Place (2-0) Games Remaining: None
AFC East (1-1) Games Remaining: @MIA, NYJ

6 games left. 3 at home, 3 on the road. two against winning teams (NO). two against middle of the road (NYJ, MIA). two against cellar dwellers (TB, ATL). go 3-3 and that gets us to 10-6, which is better than I expected. the team is capable of at least 5-1, but I think we'd all take 3-3 or 4-2. anything less, though, is unacceptable given the improvement shown. at this point, missing the playoffs costs Riverboat Ron his job. that 5 seed is the expectation now, anything more is (another) feather in the cap. anything less is regression, and thus failure.

11/19/2013 9:30:50 AM

lol @ everyone in here saying everybody is being bias towards the pats. YOU"RE being bias. if this was on the other foot (which 99% of time it usually is) this thread would be a shit storm.

11/19/2013 9:33:37 AM

Refuse to shake hands with opponent while cussing out official down the tunnel. The true professional. Cam could never hope to be that classy.

11/19/2013 9:34:54 AM

a) faceguarding is not a penalty
b) the word you're looking for is biased, not bias

11/19/2013 9:36:47 AM

oh thanks.


and holding is a penalty

11/19/2013 9:38:06 AM

6^except for the tipped/intercepted ball part of the rule book. the maybe so/maybe not illegal contact/hold/PI occurs yards beyond where the ball is thrown and intercepted; thus no penalty.

[Edited on November 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM. Reason : 6]

11/19/2013 9:39:02 AM

yeah but luke actually doesn't make physical contact with gronk so bear hugging is too strong a word and if gronk catches those all the time why didn't he make a play for the ball?

11/19/2013 9:39:43 AM

I'll entertain the possibility of there being holding, but PI, as defined by the rule book, it was not. they didn't call holding though, so it's moot. if it happened to the Panthers/State, would I be pissed? hell yes. but enough of that shit happens to us all the time, so it's nice to be on the other side for once

11/19/2013 9:39:46 AM

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"it's a penalty. he has no opportunity to go for the ball b/c Luke is bear hugging him."

Based on the gif...

Even if there was absolutely no contact between the two there's still the matter of the defender being between the receiver and the ball. The receiver would have to run through to defender to get to the ball... or teleport.

11/19/2013 9:41:26 AM

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"yeah but luke actually doesn't make physical contact with gronk "

What the ....? so what is Luke actually doing then?

11/19/2013 9:43:29 AM

^surrounding him with his arms while making no play on the ball which def does draw flags sometimes

(no contact prob too strong, brushing against him more accurate)

11/19/2013 9:45:52 AM

HAHA


unreal.

11/19/2013 9:46:50 AM

Quote :

"Even if there was absolutely no contact between the two there's still the matter of the defender being between the receiver and the ball. The receiver would have to run through to defender to get to the ball... or teleport."

you're 100% right but there would have been an ATTEMPT at the ball but Gronk couldn't do this b/c Luke was all over him AND Luke was not looking for the ball. If Luke looked for the ball i would agree with you all. but that shit is holding. if this happened to carolina I would be pissed off hard. we got away with one.

it should have been have New England ball at the one. and God knows how that would have turned out.

onto the next week

11/19/2013 9:53:02 AM

They wouldnt have scored on the final play so all of this is moot. On to Miami!

11/19/2013 9:53:58 AM

I'll buy holding, but no way that is PI

11/19/2013 9:55:15 AM

Yea cause Tom Brady and the Patriots have never had final drives to win a game.ever. LOL. yes it's a moot point.

11/19/2013 9:57:13 AM

11/19/2013 10:21:31 AM

http://www.patspulpit.com/2013/11/19/5121100/rules-breaking-down-the-final-play

write up of the last play looking at rules. from a pats site but still decent look at it.

11/19/2013 10:25:37 AM

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"Just because someone intercepts a pass, doesn’t mean that there wasn’t interference in order for the defender to have their best chance at intercepting it. At least Jets fans win from last second penalties and field goals, Panthers just blatantly cheat. Go home."

Panthers lost to a convicted cheating Pats team in the Super Bowl, and they cry about a call going against them as "cheating"

LO FUCKING L

11/19/2013 10:31:19 AM

I've been to numerous websites, listened to numerous radio shows and watched tv all day. The only people I see saying that isn't a penalty are panthers fans and that 90 year old ref they had in the booth that hasn't called a game since the forward pass became legal.

11/19/2013 10:35:42 AM

Cris Carter and Michael Strahan both said it wasn't on Mike & Mike

11/19/2013 10:38:37 AM

Jimmy Johnson as well

11/19/2013 10:39:49 AM

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"The only people I see saying that isn't a penalty are panthers fans and that 90 year old ref they had in the booth that hasn't called a game since the forward pass became legal."

Gerry Austin was head official for the 1997 and 2001 Super Bowls.....

Also is from Greensboro and is still head of officials for Conference USA. But yeah he doesn't know what he's talking about because he is old right?

11/19/2013 10:41:54 AM

#keephating

on to the next one. 7-3.

11/19/2013 10:44:54 AM

https://twitter.com/joeovies/status/402768463326089216

I feel like this summed it up the best

11/19/2013 11:13:08 AM

Barnwell has our back

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/83034/the-panthers-not-the-refs-beat-new-england

11/19/2013 11:24:42 AM

I can't believe no one has brought up the possibility that, if Kuechly wasn't holding Gronk, an Einstein–Rosen bridge could have formed between them and Gronks arm could have traveled the 5 yards through space and time to knock down or catch the ball before it was picked. Biased fans would say that an Einstein–Rosen bridge being observed in an NFL game is far-fetched but this is the pats we're talking about.





[Edited on November 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM. Reason : .]

11/19/2013 11:32:47 AM

Kuechly was just trying to get in on some sweet dancing moves

11/19/2013 11:38:24 AM

11/19/2013 11:41:32 AM

Quote :

"I've been to numerous websites, listened to numerous radio shows and watched tv all day."

get a life

11/19/2013 12:05:04 PM

Look, it was probably a penalty, but it was also a crap throw where the receiver made no attempt to catch the ball. You don't deserve a bailout on a play like that. Also, how about the no call no one is talking about?



That should have been a 15 yard penalty that ended the Patriots first TD drive.

11/19/2013 12:21:11 PM