but what kind of stupid am I? Opposition stupid? trump stupid? or you have no argument and have to call me some sort of name stupid? or am i a completely new kind of stupid? There has to be a more precise way for you to express your feelings about me and anyone else you come across in the world with views that wildly differ from your own.

I know the burden is on me since I am the one in YOUR "echo-chamber" but in MY "echo-chamber" the only kind of stupid is the inability to carry out dialogue that involves multiple and dynamic perspectives. We don't even like to call people who post unsupported statements "stupid". Instead, we actually go the extra mile and probe for evidence to help teach said people how to form arguments and carry out nuanced discussion.

I am stupid because....? would be a good place to start. Baby steps.

[Edited on August 30, 2016 at 6:56 PM. Reason : a bit about my world]

8/30/2016 6:55:05 PM

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"Except that someone just didn't shoot up a nightclub. Someone killed 50 people with guns in a public area. It could be any public area. People are getting weary of this shit, and it is showing in our general psyche."

I stand corrected. Fear mongering by a presidential candidate on the national stage hasn't contributed to a climate of fear. Rather we collectively peaked being "weary of this shit" in August of an election year, rather than after Columbine, Sandy Hook, VA Tech, Aurora, et al. I'm not sure what metric you used to judge weariness of this shit, but surely your methodology is sound. Let us pray that someone steps up to make America safe again.

8/31/2016 3:59:28 PM

trump met the prez of mexico and didnt say anything crazy or insult him afik. what does it mean

[Edited on August 31, 2016 at 5:03 PM. Reason : or maybe he did. dunno]

8/31/2016 4:58:36 PM

it means he finally has some not-completely-crazy people telling him what to do

8/31/2016 5:15:30 PM

Trump also told the Mexican president that NAFTA was good. Lol.

8/31/2016 5:30:23 PM

It means Trump got a great deal on day laborers for building the wall Making America Great Again.

8/31/2016 5:31:49 PM

^^ I think what he said was that NAFTA had been good for Mexico but not great for USA and needed to be re examined.

8/31/2016 5:35:59 PM

Trump didn't shit himself or throw non-sequiturs out! He's so Presidential.

It's almost unfathomable how differently set the bars are between these two candidates.

8/31/2016 5:57:45 PM

I'll leave these here since some people don't know where this talk originated. All trump did in the primary was take things republicans have supported for years and added some spice to the way he described them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezaw-g6TIQI
o she said "physical barrier" not "wall". so stupid of me to confuse the two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhXu8IvVp2g
here it is again. sorry for the obnoxious commentary.

8/31/2016 6:57:36 PM

Hey man, since you are so in to the "truth" why haven't I seen you defend Clinton from all the conspiracy theories about her (health, murders, foundation, etc)?

Seems there is plenty to get her on (emails, policy, etc) but I never see you take it up.

Asking for a friend

[Edited on August 31, 2016 at 7:07 PM. Reason : Also trumps policy as originally stated was not gang of 8, Rubio, Jeb, etc. not close.]

8/31/2016 7:06:01 PM

There's a pretty major difference between saying we need to keep our borders secure when asked about it directly and making spending tens of billions of dollars constructing the Great Wall of America to keep out rapists the primary mandate of your campaign.

8/31/2016 7:25:59 PM

^^that kind of reminds me of when people say "since black lives matter why don't i see you talking about black on black crime?"I don't like the false attacks on clinton but she doesn't need defense because the media, and almost the entire political establishment already goes well beyond defending her against false claims kind of like how non police are always charged with murder.

For the record, I'm not defending trump. I'm just saying he is not as radical as the clinton networks make him out to be. Its more of me saying the other are not much better than him but in a culture that has extreme difficulties processing any situation beyond two dimensions (wrong vs right, good vs evil, terror vs freedom, straight vs gay, communist vs capitalist, cops vs robbers, male vs female, black vs white, red vs blue), i could see how people take it as a pro trump or particularly anti-hill statement when I point out these similarities.

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"There's a pretty major difference between saying we need to keep our borders secure when asked about it directly and making spending tens of billions of dollars constructing the Great Wall of America to keep out rapists the primary mandate of your campaign."

I get that there is a difference but one is framework for the "end" or "goal" that needs to be accomplished. They all agreed that we needed to secure the border but beat around the bush(pun) and never actually carried out the mission.

All of a sudden trump comes along with a progression of the original (not so radical) mission/goal and describes a much more specific, much more literal way of "securing the border" after politicians on both sides said for 10 years that we need to secure the border with a physical boundary because its a real security issue.

I can't look at that context and say its trumps wall if everyone complained for a decade about the need to secure the border. I'm that last person to talk about "PC police" but its almost as if every poltician was trying to say we need to build a wall in a pc way and trump just flat out said what they were trying to say.

FWIW I am against bush obama clinton and trump so it is a lot easier for me to see all of them as contributors to this wall talk.

I would really like to hear an explanation from someone who thinks we need to "secure the border" and also believes the wall is offensive.

[Edited on August 31, 2016 at 8:49 PM. Reason : i dont think we need to secure the border at all]

8/31/2016 8:30:50 PM

^ LOL

Trump didn't say SHIT about how the wall was going to paid for. He totally skipped that conversation altogether, otherwise Nieto would have said the exact same thing he said this summer. The truth is that Nieto has had a disastrous term and an abysmal popularity rating (something like less than 25%). This entire thing was just a huge distraction because Trump has to essentially do crazy, unprecedented things to keep his name in the news. He's done.

8/31/2016 8:39:17 PM

Trump has a plan posted on his website. It's dumb, but it exists

8/31/2016 8:59:49 PM

^^ Nieto told Trump mexico wasn't going to pay for the wall, and trump didn't say anything. This wasn't a disaster for Trump, but definitely seems to undermine trump's "tough" persona he keeps trying to portray.

8/31/2016 9:55:42 PM

http://www.npr.org/2016/08/31/492096565/fact-check-donald-trumps-speech-on-immigration

I didn't see the speech but here's a transcript with some minimal fact checking.

[Edited on August 31, 2016 at 11:28 PM. Reason : ]

8/31/2016 11:27:54 PM

hahahaha

9/1/2016 12:36:36 AM

Haha, this idiot actually said that maybe Hillary should be deported as well.

9/1/2016 8:22:21 AM

What a bizarre day. Does he have dual-personality disorder? Pretty clear it was Conway Trump in Mexico and Bannon Trump in Arizona.

Only thing I know for sure is that the Mexican president is gutless and probably a liar..

9/1/2016 8:40:38 AM

i'm pretty sure it's trump who is the pussy. his day yesterday was the campaign equivalent of cowering before someone and then giving them the bird when their back is turned.

sad!

9/1/2016 10:19:42 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/09/01/donald-trump-went-to-mexico-and-won

9/1/2016 12:17:34 PM

Do the SJWs really think Trump is claiming the Mexican president will write him a check?

If you look at the trade deficit, foreign aid, and remittance payments that America could easily leverage, it isn't than unfeasible.

9/1/2016 12:42:25 PM

That foreign aid number can cover 0.7% of an $8bn wall (and that's the unreasonably low-end number that Trump throws out).

We all know his dumb policy on the wall is out there but it makes no sense.

[Edited on September 1, 2016 at 1:11 PM. Reason : Not to mention there is literally zero math on the position he mentions done]

9/1/2016 1:09:13 PM

And actually, yeah, his policy is that he will write him a check basically. Literally from his website:

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"On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect."

Basically unless they "write a check" we will do x, y and z.

9/1/2016 1:18:12 PM

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"Do the SJWs really think Trump is claiming the Mexican president will write him a check?"

hahaha, so this guy thinks that anybody who thinks trump's wall idea is silly is a "SJW"? Who isn't a "SJW" to this guy? Basically anyone who doesn't think exactly like him? Seriously.

[Edited on September 1, 2016 at 2:58 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2016 2:38:41 PM

There are plenty of areas that the USA can use as leverage to have Mexico pay for the wall indirectly. I'm all for hating on Trump where it's deserved but saying its "dumb" in an echo-chamber isn't really a valid critique. It's certainly feasible given the trade deficit and America's economic influence.

9/1/2016 3:18:19 PM

Literally copying and pasting Trump's own policy statement from his website is now part of an echo-chamber?

Did you read the second post?

9/1/2016 3:21:17 PM

Not your post specifically, as yours wasn't a "Herp derp Trump dumb Sad!" post.

And yea, x,y, and z are actual steps, as opposed to the Herp derp understanding of tough guy trump walking down to Mexico and whipping it out on el presidente's desko.

9/1/2016 3:37:00 PM

Just about anybody that posts in TSB besides myself calls me a partisan hack.

And I'm here to say that at best, his wall sounds like solution that an elementary school child came up with.

And I am certainly not an SJW.

9/1/2016 4:28:19 PM

JCE is dumber than Donald Trump. There, I said it.

9/1/2016 6:19:03 PM

how brave of you to call JCE dumb. its a breathe of fresh air to read such an eloquent, well-thought out post. the internet needs more courageous souls like you.

Remember folks, trump's success can mostly be attributed to the political establishment calling him names instead of providing actual arguments against his positions and/or offering a real alternative. The republican primaries were essentially several months of "his ideas are crazy and evil and even though we can't promise we will do better, or do anything at all to address the problems, we will at least talk about them in a nice way that makes everyone warm and cozy".

Part of why he waited so long to put out any specifics is because he is depending on you to react this particular way.

9/1/2016 7:10:10 PM

Echo chamber is a solid buzz word.

9/1/2016 8:10:34 PM

It's also entirely accurate when it comes to TWW, might as well be a HuffPo comment section.

9/1/2016 8:36:08 PM

^^So is "normalizing."

9/1/2016 8:58:59 PM

I would love it if someone took the time to develop a visual corpus of JCE's posts. Obviously SJW, click-bait, and Huff-Po would be huge, but it would fun to look at all the other buzz words he spouts off visually. It wouldn't be as fun to make one for Earl because his writing skills are horrid and his posts are riddled with with spelling errors.

9/1/2016 9:00:49 PM

trump still aint said what he is going to do with law abiding illegals afaik. done a good job dodging that one

9/2/2016 10:40:58 AM

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"done a good job dodging that one"

Not really. He's all over the place on that issue, and it appears to be costing him support:
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/30/491804727/is-trump-flip-flopping-on-immigration-yes-or-no-its-sure-been-confusing
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/02/492357797/trumps-immigration-speech-was-confusing-sen-flake-says

9/2/2016 11:34:27 AM

^you may be correct. he does need to come up with an answer by the debates

9/2/2016 11:40:53 AM

Obviously the natural progression is to go hard core to the right an issue during the primary, then drift back to left during the general, he just happens to be way better at the hard core than the drift...but in theory that's where his people come in.

9/2/2016 11:46:23 AM

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"TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 2016 - GREENVILLE, NC Donald J. Trump 7:00 PM stars Donald J. Trump will be holding a rally at the Greenville Convention Center Doors open at 4pm"

9/2/2016 11:50:16 AM

^^ Trump's problem regarding this and many other things boils down to these points I think:

1) He went so hardcore to the fringe with so many clear, resolute crazy statements there's no room for him to claim they meant something softer
2) The internet has made it incredibly easy to have what someone said brought up in seconds and played over and over and over and over and over again. Can people really run to the center any more at all?
3) He has such thin skin that seemingly anytime anyone starts questioning whether he's getting soft he feels a need to go running back to the hardest of hard statements again and again

9/2/2016 11:56:28 AM

has anyone said what they will do with law abiding undocumented citizens?

9/2/2016 12:28:46 PM

Clinton's website does say she will "introduce comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to full and equal citizenship."

I am sure if you were actually interested in policy and not playing gotcha to people complaining about Trump you could form more information on it.

[Edited on September 2, 2016 at 12:35 PM. Reason : Not like it would pass congress anyway tho]

9/2/2016 12:34:49 PM

i asked a question instead of making a statement about her policy because was not interested in reading her policy on immigration reform. Partly because

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"Not like it would pass congress anyway tho]"

but also because I don't believe any of her policies on change. she has no credibility with me because she has flopped so many times to get votes. Also, the fact that democrats, in practice, have not delivered on any of their policy promises historically (recent). I look at her as a continuation of Obama and Obama has turned away children and deported millions of people. Obama has deported more than the last several presidents combined.

9/2/2016 8:36:59 PM

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"has anyone said what they will do with law abiding undocumented citizens?"

isnt this an oxymoron? anyway, I hope we do whatever costs taxpayers the least amount of money

9/2/2016 10:17:39 PM

Sure because that should be the fucking decision marix for all our issues.

9/2/2016 10:22:12 PM

deciding on policy that puts the least amount of burden on law abiding citizens to deal with a problem imposed by people who literally break the law coming here isn't a bad idea

9/2/2016 10:39:22 PM

Illegal immigration is the same level of infraction as things all of us have done and some of us do daily.

If your standard of virtue is merely the law, you're worse than any illegal immigrant.

Humans are just animals and animals natural migrate. Societies should be accommodating of this fact.

9/2/2016 11:21:38 PM

^ Sorry dude. The MAH TAX DOLLARS argument is almost always dumb and selfish.

[Edited on September 2, 2016 at 11:25 PM. Reason : Instead of the "right" thing to do it's always the thing that's best for MAH TAX DOLLARS]

9/2/2016 11:23:20 PM

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"Humans are just animals and animals natural migrate. Societies should be accommodating of this fact."

Humans moving to other places more often than not has nothing to do with nature and generally more to do with shitty economies and job opportunity. With that being said, it's not the duty of the US government to save the world. The USA isn't perfect, but pretty much every country in the world sucks more than the USA. I'm all for locking the borders and actually enforcing the law.

9/4/2016 12:03:38 PM