Fuck arsenal

5/9/2013 11:17:51 AM

Rooney is world class on his day. Cleverley was an embarrassment to start for an England team.

** Arsenal just makes the most sense for me. More than West Ham. Arsenal, since I watched the EPL has tons of money in a huge market but act cheap as fuck, never win anything and get rid of their best players. They are the English soccer version of the Mets.

[Edited on May 9, 2013 at 11:22 AM. Reason : X]

5/9/2013 11:19:33 AM

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"Rooney is world class on his day."

no other world class player plays as bad when in a slump as rooney does.

so who manages everton now? they should grab Martinez.

as to why i'm a united fan? my first exposure to the premier league was Cantona kung fu kicking a shit talking palace fan.

[Edited on May 9, 2013 at 11:30 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2013 11:23:48 AM

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"Sir Bobby Charlton on David Moyes: “I have always said that we wanted the next manager to be a genuine Manchester United man. In David Moyes, we have someone who understands the things that make this such a special club.”"

[Edited on May 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM. Reason : Philosophy bitches]

5/9/2013 12:01:34 PM

to me this David Moyes announcement came slightly out of nowhere.

but he's done an outstanding job at Everton, and Sir Alex's recommendation counts for a lot. SAF isn't going to endorse anybody without a ferocious desire to win, superb managerial skills on both the personnel and footballing fronts, and big balls.

I'm a Liverpool fan, but I see Manchester United as sort of the international representatives of the English game. It would be sad to see them decline into mediocrity after SAF's departure. But I trust Fergie's judgment, and mostly on that grounds, I suspect all you United fans will be a-okay.

also, cue a general collapse of Everton

5/9/2013 1:07:43 PM

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"he's done an outstanding job at Everton"

no he hasnt

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"it would be sad to see them decline into mediocrity after SAF's departure"

If by sad you meant hilarious, then yes, it would be sad

[Edited on May 9, 2013 at 1:22 PM. Reason : COYS]

5/9/2013 1:21:28 PM

I'm largely going by what I've gleaned off pundits/commentators w/ regard to Moyes' job at Everton, admittedly. But he's built himself a quality side and I think his achievement is tolerably impressive, particularly in light of the small purse he's always had to work with. It would've been a big ask for Everton to seriously compete for a top 4 place, but they've consistently finished 5-7. And Moyes is leaving a pretty damned good team behind him.

agree to disagree on the Man U front...I am somewhat soft-hearted, even in footballing matters. I've never hated John Terry, for example, and felt bad for him when he missed that penalty and cried.


[Edited on May 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM. Reason : ieworpg]

5/9/2013 1:28:06 PM

^

Thats a fresh perspective. Appreciate it!

And ignore the haters on Chit Chat

5/9/2013 1:55:55 PM

^^ GTFO

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"But he's built himself a quality side and I think his achievement is tolerably impressive, particularly in light of the small purse he's always had to work with."

so did Hodgson at Fulham

[Edited on May 9, 2013 at 2:06 PM. Reason : ^]

5/9/2013 2:06:25 PM

^^
ty, kind sir

^
maybe so (I'm not too familiar with the Hodgson-at-Fulham story.) But it looks like under Hodgson Fulham dodged relegation, then finished 7th, then finished 12th. They did reach the finals of the Europa League, but who gives a shit? They had nothing like the consistency Everton which have enjoyed under Moyes. Moyes had a much longer tenure at Everton, but his record and accomplishments were considerably more impressive, for me.

Also, SAF did not confidently recommend Roy Hodgson for the United job. I'm taking Moyes performance and Fergie's recommendation in tandem.

5/9/2013 2:18:02 PM

I was talking about your "quality side" comment under a budget. Hodgson took over a team that was awful, kept them up, made some of his own buys, took them to 7th and a Europa League final (plenty of people care and it's something Moyes has never done)

Look, Moyes may work out just fine and be another United legend. But Ferguson is a proven soccer manager, not a proven recommender of soccer managers and this hire is risky as fuck. Especially since one of the best coaches in the world is available right now.

5/9/2013 2:42:49 PM

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"and a Europa League final (plenty of people care and it's something Moyes has never done)"

Fair enough...I did rather brush over the Europa league bit. It is true that it's the second-biggest club competition in Europe, and therefore kind of a big deal.

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"But Ferguson is a proven soccer manager, not a proven recommender of soccer managers "

He is, however, a very good judge of men. Granted, the men in question were usually players, not managers; but a judge of men is a judge of men. I'd trust his opinion on all things football more than I'd trust that of almost anybody else on Earth. He has made a few senile-smacking mistakes lately, though.

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" Especially since one of the best coaches in the world is available right now."

I don't think Mourinho was ever getting this job at this moment. It would've been very risky to replace a bluff old Scotsman who's held the helm twenty years, with a cocky Portuguese who's only just turned 50. I feel like Mourinho would bulldoze the legacy of SAF by the pursuance of his own policies (which would alienate people) or else Fergie's legacy would get in his way. Mourinho's requires complete freedom of action, and he ain't going to get that at Man U.

Also, Mourinho's been a bit of a bust at Real Madrid. It seems risky to hire him at another European colossus right on the back of his Madrid spell. When the most successful and storied manager in footballing history is retiring, conservatism seems a good policy; and Man U have taken a conservative stance. (Edit: In a way. But in another way they've taken a huge risk by hiring the manager of Everton, for God's sake.)

Now watch Man U finish 7th next year, and Real Madrid win the treble


[Edited on May 9, 2013 at 3:15 PM. Reason : ewf]

5/9/2013 3:09:35 PM

Win a league title/two CL semifinals and you're a "bust?" Tough crowd.

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"I feel like Mourinho would bulldoze the legacy of SAF by the pursuance of his own policies (which would alienate people)"

Maybe United fans on here will correct me but if his policies win trophies, nobody would be alienated. Not the fans, not the owners, and certainly not the sponsors. Manchester United's legacy is winning. Ferguson brought that to the club, true. But if another manager can come in and continue it, even if it's done a bit different than before, then who cares?

Again, maybe Moyes is that guy. I just don't see it. And if I had a choice between Moyes and Mourinho, I know who I'm taking.

5/9/2013 3:37:17 PM

Maybe the ManU job will open back up after Mourinho is canned by Chelsea a second time.

5/9/2013 3:41:34 PM

^^
Agree

United have only been really successful for 2 periods of time. And both of them under Scottish managers with a tendency of having a team with mostly British players. And we've never hired a non-British manager in 135 years. I can see why Moyes was hired. And it was unanimous. Maybe the Board does know what they're doing.



[Edited on May 9, 2013 at 3:46 PM. Reason : ..]

5/9/2013 3:44:36 PM

^^^
The Real Madrid faithful are the toughest crowd in soccer. And one league title, one (possibly two) Copa del Reyes, and zero Champions League finals in 3 years does amount to a bit of a bust, when you've got the players and expectations that go with the Real Madrid job, and with being Jose Mourinho to boot.

And yeah, if he came right of the blocks and starting kicking ass at Man U, surely nobody affiliated with the club would complain. But I can very easily see him instituting broad changes from day one which, if results didn't follow, would generally piss off club and fanbase. It just seems a bad idea to step into Sir Alex's shoes and immediately start walking around like you own the place, which is probably exactly what Jose Mourinho would do.

Given the choice of Moyes and Mourinho, I'd do a bit more research and then probably take Moyes.

We'll never know, which is kind of too bad...it would have been very, very interesting to watch, at any rate.

5/9/2013 3:52:54 PM

^

5/9/2013 3:57:46 PM

My top 3 "favorite" managers in the league two years ago: http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=598424&page=77#14778062

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"1. Moyes - would be strong if he had money to spend and luck with his players staying healthy. Seems like a class dude on top of all that 2. Ancelotti - I like his system, think he could do a lot better without an owner forcing his hand and a squad that wasn't over 40 in average age 3. I guess I'll put 'Arry here you right about there not being a lot of good managers though. Obviously my list is guys that I like and not just coaches I'd get if I wanted trophies (yes SAF would have to be #1 but fuck him)"

I guess I'll stand down and I'm letting my United hatred get the best of me. If you read the last part though and we're only talking trophies, Mourinho is the clear choice. Some interesting stuff on that page, like a couple of United fans giving some serious King Kenny love and even Ribs got in on the action. Whoops.

5/9/2013 4:09:11 PM

Yeah, undoubtedly if it's just a question of trophies then Mourinho is by far the most qualified candidate. It's just that people (justifiably or not) are questioning his aptness for this particular job. But you may be right and they may be wrong. It's a polarizing question all over the world of football right now, I imagine.

Good call on the Moyes love...you obviously know more about the dude than I do. Anyhow, it'll be fascinating to see how he performs under this pressure: whether he steps up or collapses. Ribs said

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"5) Moyes - More with less kind of guy. Squeezes every drop of talent out of what he is given. It does get annoying when he is constantly using the lack of funds excuse. I'd probably be saying the same thing in his position though I guess."

obviously, he'll no longer have the lack-of-funds excuse. It'll be intriguing.

5/9/2013 4:19:47 PM

Put it this way. I feel like United fans would be hating on the move if Chelsea, City, or Arsenal made it.

Ignoring the Everton connection, I would have loved to get Moyes at Liverpool so I clearly think he's a good coach.

5/9/2013 4:26:03 PM

^

I would say its a hire similar to Rodgers. Unproven entity with high upside

5/9/2013 4:29:56 PM

I always like going back and reading stuff I've written. I was pretty damn spot on with most of that.

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"4) Dalglish - I really liked the way Pool came on after he took over. I guess my only knock is let's see if he can sustain success and actually challenge next season. Only time will tell on that one."

Turns out he couldnt challenge aimorris

I'd probably drop AVB in that 3rd spot and move Rafa to 4th and Moyes to 5th if I redid it today.

5/9/2013 5:14:03 PM

message_topic.aspx?topic=628591&page=7

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"Ribs Spurs - 4th NyM410 Arsenal- 4th hey now United-1st"

I'm a bold mofo.

Dibs on 13/14 thread.

5/9/2013 5:33:52 PM

The two Daves have a huge task on their hands: Dave Moyes and Dave Doeren

[Edited on May 9, 2013 at 5:41 PM. Reason : There is a parallel to their careers...]

5/9/2013 5:41:20 PM

Moyes' biggest knocks are the away record against PL opponents and his style of football. But good managers can adapt. The Everton squad isn't exactly filled with people that have exceptional ball control. Moyes chose to play that way because maybe that's what his team would be best at. He has got two squads at United that are better than what he had at Everton. I think its a good hire. Especially because if Moyes is good then he will be around for a while. I think 2 titles and 1 cup will be a good return in his first 6 years.

5/9/2013 9:11:02 PM

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"I would say its a hire similar to Rodgers. Unproven entity with high upside"

This shit just keeps getting better and better.

Also

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"He has got two squads at United that are better than what he had at Everton."

This better be an attempt at hyperbole or you're even dumber than you've proved to be. I'd expect this kind of shit from little orphan Annie up there, but if you're trying to convince people you're real then play your cards right.


[Edited on May 10, 2013 at 2:57 AM. Reason : .]

5/10/2013 2:53:46 AM

elduderino

u mad?

5/10/2013 8:31:37 AM

u madder?



[Edited on May 10, 2013 at 9:31 AM. Reason : IRONIC since he's leaving us too ]

5/10/2013 9:27:40 AM

^^^

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"He has got two squads at United that are better than what he had at Everton"

this isn't the stupidest comment you'll ever hear. The main problem would be in defense (particularly wrt center-backs.)

5/10/2013 12:12:50 PM

let's see...out of boredom and procrastination...

Squad 1
De Gea
Evra Jones Ferdinand Rafael
Kagawa Carrick Giggs
Rooney Hernandez Young

Squad 2
Lindegaard
Valencia Vidic Evans Smalling (we'll have to use Valencia as a defender)
Cleverly Anderson Scholes
Wellbeck van Persie Nani

we're stretched rather thin here, but both these sides are probably as good as Everton's first team, if not better. I'm not too happy about Squad 2's midfield, though.

5/10/2013 1:27:55 PM

elduderino is clearly on his period.

After a lot of thought I am kind of getting excited about Moyes. Should be a very open and exciting league next year.

5/10/2013 1:51:41 PM

Hmmm. I'm having trouble remembering the result between the two FIRST teams, the first game this season.

OH YEAH.. EVERTON FUCKING WON.

Hey wazza, we all figured you would have seen this hire coming a mile away, with you being a former season ticket holder and all. I mean, shit.

[Edited on May 10, 2013 at 2:14 PM. Reason : .]

5/10/2013 2:10:10 PM

^
So yes, in that one encounter, Everton beat Man U. But you can't seriously claim that Everton are a better team: look at the League Table. Also, plz stop being a raging asshole.

5/10/2013 2:21:57 PM

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"Fuck arsenal"

5/10/2013 5:52:47 PM

^^ That wasn't the claim. Plz learn how to read. And maybe go back to posting racist shit in Chit Chat. This is clearly not your cup of tea.

5/10/2013 9:24:04 PM

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"Hmmm. I'm having trouble remembering the result between the two FIRST teams, the first game this season. OH YEAH.. EVERTON FUCKING WON."

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"So yes, in that one encounter, Everton beat Man U. But you can't seriously claim that Everton are a better team"

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"^^ That wasn't the claim."

This is just hilarious. So what exactly is the claim? That Everton won? Ok, what does that prove? United still have a better squad. So why bring up the game at all? And Moyes was always in the talks to replace Sir Alex. It isn't exactly surprising. Anyway I am done addressing elduderino. His posts in the US Team thread are also very stupid.

Early predictions for next year though
Chelsea - 1st
United - 2nd (first year under a new manager, the first 5 months will be tough.)
City - 3rd
Arsenal - 4th

5/10/2013 10:25:05 PM

Oh when the Villains

5/11/2013 8:36:04 AM

Get all this packpridesque banter out of your systems before next year begins. Our EPL threads are for elitist, let's act like it.

5/11/2013 9:01:31 AM

Benteke goes off for a Nani challenge then Chelsea equalizes almost immediately

5/11/2013 9:06:01 AM

I missed the red.

Lichaj showing a nice burst out there. Promising.

[Edited on May 11, 2013 at 9:13 AM. Reason : add another note]

5/11/2013 9:12:04 AM

Ghost of Wayne Bridge rearing its ugly head.

5/11/2013 9:18:56 AM

Thats why you have 2 guys on the posts

Why more teams dont do it blows my mind

5/11/2013 9:19:30 AM

Good for Frank. LOL at the Chelsea fans trying to get at him.

5/11/2013 9:31:21 AM

Sport.es claiming Higuain to Arsenal for £18.6m. I usually don't put any stake in all the wild speculation in the press, but they did break Song to Barca.

5/11/2013 9:33:29 AM

Tottenham is fourth or bust now. No chance for third. Arsenal still can if Everton can win next week or tie (they make up 3 GD).

^ meh, no way. Jovetic could happen though.

[Edited on May 11, 2013 at 9:39 AM. Reason : x]

5/11/2013 9:38:49 AM

I feel pretty good about our chances

5/11/2013 10:14:19 AM

Hope you're right.

5/11/2013 10:20:05 AM

St James the last matchday when Newcastle will most likely be ridiculously desperate for points will be a big challenge for them assuming Spurs can get the 3 tomorrow

Winning tomorrow, having Arsenal draw/lose to regain position, and then losing at home to Sunderland the last matchday to fall out would be the most Spurs thing ever though

5/11/2013 10:33:15 AM

It would be so Wigan of them to win the FA Cup and then get relegated.

5/11/2013 10:57:09 AM

Tough to get 3 at Stoke but I'd be surprised if Spurs didnt go 6 for 6.

Who ya got today? Man City 3-1 here.

5/11/2013 12:16:50 PM