we suck again

[Edited on February 9, 2008 at 7:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2008 7:12:24 PM

what the hell?

2/9/2008 7:17:11 PM

0-2

2/9/2008 7:17:16 PM

2/9/2008 7:17:22 PM

Nice goal Stillman.

FOR THE WRONG TEAM

2/9/2008 7:19:33 PM

2/9/2008 7:30:11 PM

2/9/2008 7:30:52 PM

put a fucking body on the guy, damn


and another power play for nj

[Edited on February 9, 2008 at 7:36 PM. Reason : ]

2/9/2008 7:36:00 PM

boo-urns

2/9/2008 7:37:32 PM

BUTT RAPED

2/9/2008 7:42:02 PM

2/9/2008 7:42:34 PM

fail

2/9/2008 7:53:10 PM

the laviolette-o-meter is not pleased

2/9/2008 7:53:39 PM

hahahaha. caw ward ftw tonight!!!!

2/9/2008 8:04:02 PM

2/9/2008 8:25:59 PM

JUST OUR FUCKING LUCK THAT TB/ATL GOES TO OT

GOD DAMN IT

2/9/2008 9:28:58 PM

2/9/2008 9:35:18 PM

aha nice

2/9/2008 9:41:01 PM

Carolina, Washington, Atlanta, and Florida are all now within 1 point of first place, and Tampa Bay is closing fast. The stretch run in this division is going to be like watching the Special Olympics.

2/9/2008 10:00:45 PM

rofl

2/9/2008 10:01:32 PM

shouldn't the pace be ten since we've won three of six?

2/9/2008 10:02:58 PM

The pace is where we should be at this moment to be on track for 20 wins. So over the next few weeks we get to see that little black bar move farther and farther from the last green box.

It's a bit misleading; I need to rename that

[Edited on February 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2008 10:04:47 PM

word.

i think i'm not gonna pay my playoff invoice, because i could use that money instead of having sit in karmanos' bank account for four months.

*sigh*

2/9/2008 10:06:00 PM

no, the pace should be four because we've played six, and to win 20 out of 30 = 2/3

but the pace should be us trading for prospects because we're gonna be watching the playoffs from our fucking living room

goddamn I want to jump off a bridge after this game & the ncsu loss

2/9/2008 10:06:38 PM

the southeast just blows balls. like they do every year

2/9/2008 10:07:37 PM

commodore is a ufa after this season, right?

he takes so many dumb fucking penalties that i wouldn't mind if we let him walk, but wes and hedi can only last so long and we need d-men

2/9/2008 10:08:11 PM

whitney hasn't done SHIT lately

2/9/2008 10:10:45 PM

If he will take a massive home town discount then I say resign him. Otherwise, let him walk or just go ahead and try to trade him before the deadline. If Wesley wants to come back, I guess he has probably earned that right so sign him to a cheap contract. As for Hedican. Make it clear to him that if he doesn't retire his ass will be sitting in the press box all season. Hate to force a guy out, especially someone like him, but he should not be playing anymore. Make a trade or sign a legitimate #1 defenseman, and bring up Borer for good.

For starters.

2/9/2008 10:11:28 PM

For starters.

2/9/2008 10:13:25 PM

i'd pay my invoice if it meant a bulletproof seidenberg

2/9/2008 10:20:41 PM

So I got pissed after this game and came up with a "what if" scenario. First let me say that I haven't given up on the team, am not wishing for disaster, and still hope we make the playoffs. That said, I've got my own plans. I am not great with salaries, and it's hard for me to tell how much guys are going to demand, especially UFAs from other teams, and especially considering the insane salaries that were handed out last season to players. I also don't know if the guys I am signing are happy with their current clubs and plan on returning or whatever. Also, there are slim pickings on the free agent market this summer.


-Jim Rutherford resigns effective immediately to go to Toronto. Vulcan91 is hired as President/GM.
-Trade Cory Stillman for prospects and/or picks by the trade deadline to begin replenishing our dried up farm system
-Offseason or before the deadline: Trade Erik Cole for John Michael Liles or a similar defenseman in the event that their contract can be immediately extended. Here I will be assuming it is Liles and that he is signed for $4 million
-Offseason: Resign Andrew Ladd (RFA) - $1.5 mil
-Resign Sergei Samsonov (UFA) - $2 mil
-Resign Chad Larose (RFA) - $750k
-Resign Mike Commodore (UFA) - $2.5 mil
-Resign Tim Gleason (RFA) - $2 mil
-Resign Michael Leighton (UFA) - $750k
-Trevor Letowski (UFA) will leave for another team that will give him a chance to play more minutes
-Keith Aucoin (UFA) will leave for another team that will give him a chance to play more minutes
-John Grahame (UFA) will not be resigned (duh)
-Do not extend a qualifying offer to Seidenberg (RFA)
-Force Bret Hedican into retirement with whatever threats are necessary
-Glen Wesley retires
-Trade Kaberle for a bag of pucks
-Trade Tanabe for a bag of pucks
-Sign Ryan Malone (UFA - Pittsburgh) - $2.5 mil
-Sign Nick Schultz (UFA - Minnesota) - $2.75 mil
-Sign Mark Smith (UFA - Calgary) - $600k
-Sign Kyle Wanvig (UFA - Tampa) - $500k
-Kiss and make up with Anton Babchuk and sign him to a one way deal - $1 mil

This year's salary cap - $50.3 million
This year's self imposed cap - $44 million

Next year's estimated cap - $54 million
Next year's estimated self imposed cap - $48 million

Opening day roster - $47.75 million

Give Ladd his chance on the first line out of the gates and see what he can do.

Ladd-Staal-Samsonov
Whitney-Brind'Amour-Williams
Malone-Cullen-Walker
Larose-Smith-Wanvig

Liles-Gleason
Commodore-Schultz
Borer-Babchuk

Ward
Leighton

Healthy extras: Hamilton, Wallin


Feel free to tell me why this won't work because I really didn't put a ton of thought into it.

[Edited on February 9, 2008 at 11:27 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2008 11:24:39 PM

Quote :

"-Resign Chad Larose (RFA) - $750k"

PLEASE.

2/9/2008 11:36:19 PM

I was just about to point out these moves would also decrease the average age of the team by around 2 or 3 years, putting us in the younger half of the league as opposed to the second oldest team. Of course, getting rid of Hedican and Wesley alone practically does that.

2/9/2008 11:39:22 PM

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2/10/2008 12:00:49 AM

the hurricanes sucked fat balls tonight.

[Edited on February 10, 2008 at 12:01 AM. Reason : grammar]

2/10/2008 12:01:37 AM

8 thumbs up here, I almost spit up my milk when i saw that

2/10/2008 10:38:32 AM

Quote :

"Resign Sergei Samsonov (UFA) - $2 mil"

Plz to do so, so that steviewonder and I can get matching 14 3rds next season.

2/10/2008 10:47:56 AM

Quote :

"the southeast just blows balls. like they do every year "

Except in the past 5 stanley cups we've had a southeast team there 3 times. Also every teams has been to the finals (except Atlanta) in the past 11 years including the canes twice. That's not to shabby.

Quote :

"So I got pissed after this game and came up with a "what if" scenario. First let me say that I haven't given up on the team, am not wishing for disaster, and still hope we make the playoffs. That said, I've got my own plans. I am not great with salaries, and it's hard for me to tell how much guys are going to demand, especially UFAs from other teams, and especially considering the insane salaries that were handed out last season to players. I also don't know if the guys I am signing are happy with their current clubs and plan on returning or whatever. Also, there are slim pickings on the free agent market this summer. -Jim Rutherford resigns effective immediately to go to Toronto. Vulcan91 is hired as President/GM. -Trade Cory Stillman for prospects and/or picks by the trade deadline to begin replenishing our dried up farm system -Offseason or before the deadline: Trade Erik Cole for John Michael Liles or a similar defenseman in the event that their contract can be immediately extended. Here I will be assuming it is Liles and that he is signed for $4 million -Offseason: Resign Andrew Ladd (RFA) - $1.5 mil -Resign Sergei Samsonov (UFA) - $2 mil -Resign Chad Larose (RFA) - $750k -Resign Mike Commodore (UFA) - $2.5 mil -Resign Tim Gleason (RFA) - $2 mil -Resign Michael Leighton (UFA) - $750k -Trevor Letowski (UFA) will leave for another team that will give him a chance to play more minutes -Keith Aucoin (UFA) will leave for another team that will give him a chance to play more minutes -John Grahame (UFA) will not be resigned (duh) -Do not extend a qualifying offer to Seidenberg (RFA) -Force Bret Hedican into retirement with whatever threats are necessary -Glen Wesley retires -Trade Kaberle for a bag of pucks -Trade Tanabe for a bag of pucks -Sign Ryan Malone (UFA - Pittsburgh) - $2.5 mil -Sign Nick Schultz (UFA - Minnesota) - $2.75 mil -Sign Mark Smith (UFA - Calgary) - $600k -Sign Kyle Wanvig (UFA - Tampa) - $500k -Kiss and make up with Anton Babchuk and sign him to a one way deal - $1 mil This year's salary cap - $50.3 million This year's self imposed cap - $44 million Next year's estimated cap - $54 million Next year's estimated self imposed cap - $48 million Opening day roster - $47.75 million Give Ladd his chance on the first line out of the gates and see what he can do. Ladd-Staal-Samsonov Whitney-Brind'Amour-Williams Malone-Cullen-Walker Larose-Smith-Wanvig Liles-Gleason Commodore-Schultz Borer-Babchuk Ward Leighton Healthy extras: Hamilton, Wallin Feel free to tell me why this won't work because I really didn't put a ton of thought into it."

This is a great way to send a team into shit. We need to resign Stillman first off. He's only making 1.5mil and he'll want more, but he is constantly putting points up.

I could not agree more, trade Erik Cole for Lies, Cole needs to go west or somewhere where his play will be knew and teams will not be as use to it. He's doing shit for 4 mil

Resign ladd, samsonov, larose, agree

Commodore -Resign agreed, but not at 2.5 million, he's not been playing that good lately.

Gleason - Let go, he's been playing like shit. Seriously can't do anything right. I just don't think he plays smart and 2 mill is way to must

Leighton - Sign .75 mil, agreed

Letowski- Let him go
Grahame - WIll be resigned, his stats aren't to bad for a back up

Seidenburg - Keep him, he is by far our best defenseman this whole year. HE's solid

Hedican - He leads the team with +12, I've always liked him. It be great if we could sign him, but he gets hurt to much
Wesley - Will retire
Kaberle - Agreed at 2.5 mill try to get some prospects for him
Tanabe- Trade for a puck, if lucky
Wallin - He needs to go too. Always been hurt and way to many mistakes.

I think a lot of our defenseman need to go and we need to go out and sign a few UFA. Seidenburg is no doubt our best defenesmen. Everyone else is hurt to much or just half assing it.

Oh yeah. Rutherford won't go to Toronto. To much pressure, and Rutherford and Maurice didn't get it done in Raleigh, why would they in Toronto. he's won a cup here, lived here for 10 years now, and owns part of the canes. I don't see why he would leave

[Edited on February 10, 2008 at 11:08 AM. Reason : ]

2/10/2008 11:02:41 AM

I got bored at work waiting for a long run the other day, so I came up with my armchair GM moves. The top is the list of what we are on the hook for next year already. I didn't include FAs that I didn't want to bring back next year. At the bottom are the signings and my guess on the costs, as well as how we would sit against the cap.

08-09

Staal 	-	4.5
Cole  	-	4.0
Brind'Amour	3.6
Whitney 	3.55
Williams 	3.5
Cullen 	-	2.875
Walker 	-	2.5
Hamilton	0.8

Kaberle -	2.2
Wallin	-	1.725
Tanabe	-	0.75
Borer 	- 	0.512

Ward 	-	2.667

======================== 

Total Committed	33.179

Cap Space:	~22 mil


05-06 Cap: 39 mil
06-07 Cap: 44 mil
07-08 Cap: 50.3 mil
08-09 Cap: ~55 mil

Needs:
C, 2LW, 2RW
3D
G

Projections:
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Aucoin:		 0.5
LaRose:		 0.85
Ladd: 		 1.5
Stillman	 2.2
Samsonov	 2.0
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		 7.05
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Gleason  	 1.9
Seidenberg	 1.0
Brookbank	 0.55
FA Dman		 2.0
A. Ward/FA	 2.5
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                 7.95
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Leighton	 0.7
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Total:
                 15.7
+                33.179
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		 48.879
========================

2/10/2008 11:18:35 AM

the former whalers are awesome. i must admit.

2/10/2008 11:27:04 AM

^^ I think Aaron Ward would be a great addition; however, he's starting to get old too.

2/10/2008 11:38:37 AM

Quote :

"Grahame - WIll be resigned, his stats aren't to bad for a back up"

im sorry but

AHAHAHAHAHA

2/10/2008 12:10:35 PM

Yeah, in addition to being the highest paid backup in the entire league, and paid more than all but 4 of our defensemen, his 3.69 GAA and .877 SV% are so bad that he isn't even listed on the NHL stats page of the top 45 goalies in the league. But for what it's worth, the 45th best SV% is Kolzig with a .884, and the 45th best GAA is Hedberg with a 3.32. So I would have to imagine that Grahame is somewhere between 60th and 70th.

2/10/2008 12:29:18 PM

jlb, Gleason is a keeper. Commodore could stay or go, I really don't care anymore about him and his Sean Hill-eqsue pension for taking costly penalties. (perhaps we should ban the #22 for a while). Slewey is likely to retire, as is Hedican, which is fine with me unless Bret wants to play every game at the same level that he brought against the Caps the other night.

Seidenberg is a keeper, bring up Borer, and flush out the AHL roster with talented players, not just the same circle of potential 3rd/4th liners.

2/10/2008 1:40:29 PM

well shit, the caps just won in OT

2/10/2008 3:55:01 PM

^^ I agree about Borer, and Seidenburg. Commodore does take to many penalties and I think Gleason needs to as much as our D does.

2/10/2008 8:40:34 PM

gleason has been the best player for the last 10 or so games

2/11/2008 1:13:51 AM

I would highly disagree

2/11/2008 6:47:46 AM

he might not be the best these last 10, but he's been in the top 3 or so.

2/11/2008 10:31:59 AM

Either way, he will be back. There isn't even a question of that. He is a RFA.

2/11/2008 11:42:34 AM