Do people in your league use trade vetos for strategic purposes? One of the guys in my league vetoed my trade because he thought it wasn't a "fair" trade.

10/24/2008 2:04:40 PM

of course

you never know if people have behind the scenes shit going, ie "if you trade me MB3 and Brees for a kicker and defense, I'll give you part of the money when I win the league"

10/24/2008 2:07:12 PM

So since "you never know", you just veto trades left and right?

I was of the impression that a veto vote meant you thought there was cheating or collusion. Not that you just oppose a trade because of your perception of it, etc.

10/24/2008 2:26:32 PM

i don't, but if something seems really unfair i will

if a trade seems legit i don't have a problem with it

but if you're fighting for one of the last playoff spots, and a team you're competing with for that spot might gain a big advantage from a trade, some people will veto it

10/24/2008 2:28:40 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3661845

Quote :

"A number of NFL players -- including Deuce McAllister and Will Smith of the New Orleans Saints -- have tested positive under the NFL's steroid policy as a result of taking water pills to lose weight, according to a report from Fox 31-Denver reporter Josina Anderson. Anderson's report cited "a rash of positive tests." The number is more than 10 and may exceed 15, two sources have told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen. "

Oh hell.

10/24/2008 2:41:23 PM

Ok, that's just wrong IMO. The veto trade option isn't there for strategy...it's to prevent cheating. Whether a trade is "fair" is subjective...trades should be allowed for everyone if it's allowed at all, regardless of your record or your personal opinion of said team.

Anyways....I'm being veto'd on my Julius Jones + Breaston for Reggie Bush (I get) trade.

10/24/2008 2:43:13 PM

in other news, Santonio Holmes got busted with 3 blunts and was "very cooperative and respectful"

NFL/Steelers won't do anything until after it runs its course in the legal system, which I'd assume will be pushed back to next year so it shouldn't affect his fantasy status

^that sounds like a fair trade to me

vetoing trades is kinda grey territory...if only the commish can veto, hopefully he's reasonable...if its based on league votes, that seems more democratic, but some people will veto a trade if they don't like it

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2008 2:43:46 PM

^^that's a legit trade.....is your league set up where 1 veto can stop a trade? You should be able to set up a vote, or commish only veto.



[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2008 2:45:03 PM

Quote :

"Ok, that's just wrong IMO. The veto trade option isn't there for strategy...it's to prevent cheating. Whether a trade is "fair" is subjective...trades should be allowed for everyone if it's allowed at all, regardless of your record or your personal opinion of said team."

yeah, I agree. It's for cheating, especially for those teams that are out of it near the end of the season and are just unloading their best players just for the hell of it, or because they know somebody else in the league

maybe a better idea is if a league got rid of the "veto" and gave players a value based on their league ranking and if the total value on each side of the trade isn't comparable, it won't be allowed... like the can't cut list

10/24/2008 2:48:15 PM

Quote :

"in other news, Santonio Holmes got busted with 3 blunts and was "very cooperative and respectful" NFL/Steelers won't do anything until after it runs its course in the legal system, which I'd assume will be pushed back to next year so it shouldn't affect his fantasy status"

UPDATE, Holmes has been deactivated for Sunday.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/FantasySourceBlitz/entry/view/13913

10/24/2008 2:49:27 PM

interesting...i guess teams are trying to be a little more proactive with their discipline without waiting for the league (ie Steve Smith, Plaxico, Larry Johnson)...and by teams, i don't mean the bengals

10/24/2008 2:58:03 PM

I hope deuce gets suspended

since i scooper Pierre Thomas AND Aaron Stecker in my 5000 dollar league

10/24/2008 3:03:01 PM

i have brees and colston so i hope all the running backs get suspended

10/24/2008 3:10:41 PM

STUD RUNNING BACK UPDATE

Quote :

"Steven Jackson will be a game-time decision for Sunday’s game against the Patriots, according to the AP. He returned to practice on a limited basis Friday after sitting out the previous two days with a strained quad muscle, and coach Jim Haslett said, "It’ll be a game-day decision. He doesn’t need a lot of reps because he knows everything." In the event that Jackson is unable to go Sunday, Travis Minor and Antonio Pittman would share the workload at running back."

Quote :

"Clinton Portis fully practiced and is expected to start Sunday at Detroit, according to the Washington Post. He had been nursing various bumps and bruises, but coach Jim Zorn said, "He's getting better and better. He did everything. He didn't do it at full speed, but he's been getting all the work done. The thing about Clinton, he's worked his body hard." Portis is leading the NFL with just over 23 rushing attempts per game, and should be headed for another strong outing as the Redskins aim to exploit the Lions' 31st ranked run defense."

10/24/2008 3:58:11 PM

Johnson or Boldin?

Not sure if boldin is ready yet and you never know with ocho.

10/24/2008 5:07:36 PM

Quote :

"Anderson's report cited "a rash of positive tests." The number is more than 10 and may exceed 15, two sources have told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen. "

Unconfirmed list of players who tested positive for a banned substance in the last batch of tests:

Deuce McAllister (NO)
Will Smith (NO)
Donte Whitner (BUF)
Leon Washington (NYJ)
Warrick Dunn (TB)
Jason Ferguson (MIA)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Ben Utecht (CIN)
Malcolm Floyd (SD)
Dawan Landry (BAL)
Cornelius Griffen (WAS)

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 5:54 PM. Reason : 2]

10/24/2008 5:53:15 PM

^^personally, i'd take the risk and start Boldin. Fitzpatrick (4.6 YPA) decreases Johnson's value and Johnson's been sucking ass all season anyway.

10/24/2008 6:24:28 PM

Mewelde Moore to start again

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3662291

10/24/2008 7:42:55 PM

Who would you start start in the RB/WR spot

Vincent Jackson (London jet lag?)
T.J. Houshmanzada (not sure palmers situation)
Mewelde Moore (Giants have a real tough D)


Weird lineup I know, but both Grant and Peterson are on a bye this week.

10/24/2008 11:45:07 PM

Quote :

"David Garrard vs. Cleveland Ben Roethlisberger vs. Giants I was thinking Garrard but if they get up they might just start running the ball. The the Steeler's O-line hasn't been that great this season either."

I have the same QB duo. I'm going with Garrard, since he's been improving, and is playing Cleveland. I'm favored by 47 as well, so I have some wiggle room to do this.

Now, I can't believe I'm even asking this. LT is so inconsistent this season, and as stated above, Mewelde Moore, who was fantastic for me last week, is starting. So, pick 2 RBs.

LT Vs. New Orleans
Michael Turner Vs. Philly
Mewelde Moore Vs. NYG

I'm pretty set on LT and Turner, logically, but Moore did have a hell of a week last week, and is projected to have more points than either of the other 2 RBs this week.

10/25/2008 12:14:24 AM

I was thinking of going with Garrard, it's just Roethlisberger is projected to have more points in my league.

I know projections don't really mean anything, but whatever.

10/25/2008 12:32:28 AM

I've got Johnnie Lee Higgins as my backup WR and he's going to be returning kicks again this week. Return yards give the same amount of points as rushing yards in my league so I'm trying to decide if I should start him or a sick Derrick Mason. Oakland is @ Baltimore this week. Thoughts?

10/25/2008 2:34:54 AM

this is weird, i've never seen this before

in one of my money leagues, there are 6/12 people with a > 0.500 record.

5/12 of us are all tied for first at 5-2.

10/25/2008 7:53:08 AM

jamal lewis at Jac
Julius jones at SF

who should i start?

10/25/2008 10:18:11 AM

Lewis will get all the touches so I would go with him.

10/25/2008 12:00:04 PM

Quote :

"Who would you start start in the RB/WR spot Vincent Jackson (London jet lag?) T.J. Houshmanzada (not sure palmers situation) Mewelde Moore (Giants have a real tough D) Weird lineup I know, but both Grant and Peterson are on a bye this week."

10/25/2008 12:48:59 PM

i'm no expert or guru, so this is probably shitty advice

but with mewelde having such a great week last week, and being the #1 back for PIT this week with Parker being out....I don't see how you sit him, even against NYG. It's the steelers, they're going to run the ball.

but keep in mind, this is what I've told myself considering I too have to decide whether to play him this week

10/25/2008 12:52:17 PM

thats tough, I'd probably go with Mewelde, as hard as that is for me to say

Quote :

"Benjarvis Green-Ellis vs. StL or Duece McAllister vs. SD"

where has Panthro been lately, there are a LOT more questions than there are answers in this thread nowadays

10/25/2008 12:53:07 PM

that one may be easy if deuce doesn't play

10/25/2008 1:23:44 PM

^^, That goes back to my conflict about this week at RB:

Quote :

"Now, I can't believe I'm even asking this. LT is so inconsistent this season, and as stated above, Mewelde Moore, who was fantastic for me last week, is starting. So, pick 2 RBs. LT Vs. New Orleans Michael Turner Vs. Philly Mewelde Moore Vs. NYG I'm pretty set on LT and Turner, logically, but Moore did have a hell of a week last week, and is projected to have more points than either of the other 2 RBs this week. "

10/25/2008 1:23:55 PM

No way Parker may play some and the Giants D is pretty stiff.

Stick with LT and Turner.

Should I give up Thomas Jones for Colston while TJ is hot and Colston is down???? I have Barber/Gore/Slaton at RB so I don't really need him.

10/25/2008 9:19:47 PM

^ I would. I'm liking Colston to end the season strong and you are pretty set at RB.

Grant and Stewart for Mojo? Thoughts?

10/25/2008 9:46:49 PM

In that same league though, I am being offered Gore for Fitzgerald.....so I have two offers on the table.

[Edited on October 26, 2008 at 12:08 AM. Reason : ^Grant is slowly getting better....who you callin MoJo?]

10/26/2008 12:07:40 AM

Giants D or Washington D

????

10/26/2008 12:36:52 AM

doesn't washington play detroit?

10/26/2008 12:44:21 AM

Washington plays the Lions....WTF why are you even asking?

Giants play Steelers in a good matchup.

10/26/2008 12:44:34 AM

Quote :

""Benjarvis Green-Ellis vs. StL or Duece McAllister vs. SD""

Duece is the much safer pick here. I'm not exactly sure what the rest of your matchup looks like, but if this is a must win for you, I would absolutely go with Duece. Remember, the Pat's have a tested vet in Faulk and my inclination is that Faulk will get the majority of the carries somewhere along the lines of 60/40. Duece actually has a good chance of getting a goal line score here and will be used heavily.

No chance he is suspended for this game either. Go with Duece.

10/26/2008 9:47:06 AM

10/26/2008 9:48:09 AM

Quote :

"Report: Jackson 85 percent not to play FOX Sports' John Czarnecki thinks that Steven Jackson is "85 percent not to play" due to his quad injury. The Rams have said publicly that he's likely a game-time decision."

10/26/2008 9:56:40 AM

Deuce McCallister or Jonathan stewart?

leaning toward deuce.

10/26/2008 11:13:53 AM

that's a tough one...

I have them ranked very close to one another.

Remember it's going to be another sloppy field in London, as it's been raining all day today.

Deuce may finish with more total yards, but I can easily see Stewart getting a goal line score or two and about 80 yards.

Start Stewart.

10/26/2008 11:26:26 AM

Hey Panthro:

Quote :

"Should I give up Thomas Jones for Colston while TJ is hot and Colston is down???? I have Barber/Gore/Slaton at RB so I don't really need him."

Quote :

"In that same league though, I am being offered Gore for Fitzgerald.....so I have two offers on the table."

10 team PPR league.

10/26/2008 11:29:57 AM

I'm not quite sure who I should start this week.

Mewelde Moore or Kevin Faulk.


Any advice?

10/26/2008 12:03:22 PM

I'd say Moore

I think Green-ellis will see a lot more carries than faulk.

10/26/2008 12:15:56 PM

Moore - even though the G-men have stout defense.

Faulk's supporting cast is not used to creating a dependable run game.

10/26/2008 12:16:04 PM

ok, boldin's active. i've also got fitzgerald, so should i start boldin or kevin walter against cincy?

10/26/2008 12:24:25 PM

^boldin?

Rhodes vs Tenn or
Benson vs Hous

[Edited on October 26, 2008 at 12:51 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2008 12:43:35 PM

would you play green-ellis over jonathan stewart?

10/26/2008 12:52:12 PM

WR Quandry:

Brown is out. Chambers is playing.

Who do I start?
K. Curtis
C. Chambers
M. Floyd

10/26/2008 12:55:51 PM

i wouldn't start Curtis just yet. give him a week or two to get back in to the flow

10/26/2008 12:56:59 PM