^ Bingo.

Or come across unfair and impossible affixes.

There's no way I will ever play HC in this game. Absolutely not worth the potential anger.

6/14/2012 10:01:35 AM

Quote :

"yeah, til you lag spike and lose hours worth of work through no fault of your own."

They warn you with a big pop-up. I fully resigned myself to the fact any hardcore character I create IS going to die. It will still sting, but I will be ok.

Quote :

"Or come across unfair and impossible affixes."

Thats when you run away and re-make!

Also, having multiple hardcore heroes will make it a bit better. That way you're never starting over from level 1 really.

Plus, you shouldn't look at it as 'work'. Its entertainment.

[Edited on June 14, 2012 at 10:06 AM. Reason : *]

6/14/2012 10:04:43 AM

Hardcore gives you that thrill of the battle that softcore simply cannot.

By adding a grieving element to the game, it creates that love/hate relationship.

6/14/2012 10:06:58 AM

While I agree, let's just not forget that this is a game.

6/14/2012 12:25:56 PM

just found some fantastic gloves in act 1 of hell for my barbarian:

324 armor
56 str
+15% attack spd
+144 armor
14% extra gold from monsters
11% chance to find magical items
melee attackers take 20 damage per hit

6/14/2012 4:47:09 PM

Just watched Kungen die in Act 3 nightmare at level 43 (demon hunter) to fire that comes up through a grate.

He just laughed and moved on. Its what you gotta do

6/14/2012 5:59:14 PM

Also, adding player list to this page since its been MIA for a while

Krallum - Krallum#1308
Lokken - Lokken#1551
adultswim - SteveBrule#1572
ActionPants - TheWiseTeen#1250
ssclark - lobsterzilla#1339
seedless - bumptown#1985
SmoothTalker - Velkrem#1287
stevedude - stevedude#1177
DamnStraight - Hysteria#1451
disco_stu - LuncheonLoaf#1968
Morphine Boy - Ronkkard#2778
tracer - Dayde#1133
ncsuallday - Spartan#1781
porcha/begonias - Porcha#1737
titans78 - FLuE#1374
BEU - BEU#1880
Shadowrunner - shadowrunner#1161
EmptyFriend - EmptyFriend#1781
JLCayton - RonMexico#1270
DM - Landry#1457
ncsu4good02 - wrathwalker#1882
Azaka - Azaka#1569
elise: Sparkles#1521
GKMatt: Roiidrage#1102
grimx: djgrimx#1384
ncWOLFsu: steelerblitz#1181
DoeoJ: DoeoJ#1912
wolfpack2105 : Josh#1280
Exiled : Draklav#1310
Novicane : Sysop#1149
ghost613 : Suicidlghost#1805
God - Gronke#1268
GenghisJohn : jrfowle3#1604
Stimwalt : Stimwalt#1245
The Gringo : BeerTundra#1547

[Edited on June 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM. Reason : .]

6/14/2012 6:03:53 PM

Why will blizzard prompt you if you want to salvage some garbage lvl 41 rare but not a 850dps magic 1h

6/15/2012 8:58:14 AM

Blizzard has a green agenda and would rather see you salvage that item then see it end up in a Seigebreaker junkyard.

6/15/2012 9:03:52 AM

So far Act 1 inferno is a piece of cake. On average I will 3-shot a trash mob. And against elite packs I'll die 0 to 2 times depending on luck. And I'm not even using Energy Armor (or any Armor skill). Always been a Diamond Skin kind of guy.

6/15/2012 9:11:35 AM

i like getting high level 40s stuff out of act 1 inferno

6/15/2012 9:11:41 AM

Krallum - Krallum#1308
Lokken - Lokken#1551
adultswim - SteveBrule#1572
ActionPants - TheWiseTeen#1250
ssclark - lobsterzilla#1339
seedless - bumptown#1985
SmoothTalker - Velkrem#1287
stevedude - stevedude#1177
DamnStraight - Hysteria#1451
disco_stu - LuncheonLoaf#1968
Morphine Boy - Ronkkard#2778
tracer - Dayde#1133
ncsuallday - Spartan#1781
porcha/begonias - Porcha#1737
titans78 - FLuE#1374
BEU - BEU#1880
Shadowrunner - shadowrunner#1161
EmptyFriend - EmptyFriend#1781
JLCayton - RonMexico#1270
DM - Landry#1457
ncsu4good02 - wrathwalker#1882
Azaka - Azaka#1569
elise: Sparkles#1521
GKMatt: Roiidrage#1102
grimx: djgrimx#1384
ncWOLFsu: steelerblitz#1181
DoeoJ: DoeoJ#1912
wolfpack2105 : Josh#1280
Exiled : Draklav#1310
Novicane : Sysop#1149
ghost613 : Suicidlghost#1805
God - Gronke#1268
GenghisJohn : jrfowle3#1604
Stimwalt : Stimwalt#1245
The Gringo : BeerTundra#1547
joey53087 : pungntJESTER#1757

6/15/2012 9:18:46 AM

Nightmare Diablo down on hardcore. Now the hard part starts.

Maybe ill just grind the blacksmiths wife till I cap out. lololol

6/15/2012 9:48:35 AM

It is amazing how much easier/fun act 3 inferno azmo run is than the bellial run.

Act 2 is just terrible. From the start going through that canyon, jumping napalm throwing cats, to bellial to the fact that you have to run into the town for potions instead of getting them somewhere convenient to where the TP is.

[Edited on June 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM. Reason : I can't spell.]

6/15/2012 11:37:48 AM

its like they realized that they needed one hated act, and put their everything into it

6/15/2012 11:45:06 AM

I mean, that's how we do it in Kingsport...

6/15/2012 12:03:56 PM

Act3 post Siege breaker may be my least favorite part of the entire game.

6/15/2012 12:04:29 PM

^ The whole two hearts thing does take a long time, with no changes in scenery.

6/15/2012 12:15:00 PM

Fuck Inferno. I'm a wizard and can barely deal with Act 1 elite packs on my own without a tank. During a fight I have to exit the dungeon like 3 or 4 times to take a breather otherwise I'll die to Mortar or Vortex shenanigans.

28k dps, ~200 resists, 20k hp. its just not worth my time to farm for better gear since I never get anything remotely as good as what I've got now and I'm too broke to afford anything on the AH. aaargghh

[Edited on June 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM. Reason : ]

6/15/2012 5:31:11 PM

^ I pwn Elites in Act 1 with my Wizard - you need at least 350 resist in Act 1 and at least 500 in Act 2 to be helpful to a tank.

6/15/2012 5:44:46 PM

So I sold another ring today for $135... so it got me thinking how much what I have is worth. I hate the WD anyway and want to level a monk, and so I just posted on the blizz forums bidding for all my WD items as a set for RL$Dollar bucks.

Pics :
Overall Stats
http://i50.tinypic.com/339t7hy.jpg
Items 1
http://i50.tinypic.com/zy9i4l.jpg
Items 2
http://i48.tinypic.com/2hofx1s.jpg

Not sure anything will come of it, or if I'm even allowed to sell stuff on the blizz forum that way. Should be interesting, I think I have some pretty nice items. People spend money on crazy stuff.

6/15/2012 9:58:57 PM

[quoteSo I sold another ring today for $135[/quote]

wtf.....

6/15/2012 10:01:24 PM

i don't see how stuff could get any more valuable at this point. slowly but surely, less people will be playing, while more items are constantly being generated. unless, of course, they make items bind on equip.

6/15/2012 10:10:00 PM

That is why I think might as well sell now why people are inferno crazy, especially all the WDs that are struggling.

The ring I sold for $135 is basically the same ring I have in the picture, the legendary. I bought 2 of them because I thought I could equip both

I can't remember how much I spent, but won the auctions on both for a good price, maybe 5mil? Dunno. I use to make money back in the day selling items/gold on eBay from Ultima Online...

6/15/2012 10:17:51 PM

My record atm is buying pants for 20k and slling them for $75

6/15/2012 10:41:54 PM

One of the two "recent players" from when I was hacked has been booted from the game. Sweet justice...not really, but good to know they are actually doing something about this.

6/16/2012 7:31:37 AM

Act 2 Inferno down solo on the Barb

Only died once to Belial, got him down with 5 stacks of Valor but he didn't drop anything good /sigh

6/17/2012 6:20:01 AM

Started using the EHP spreadsheet and comparing gear. Slowly getting better.

I'll do a few upgrades on my barb and get little further in act2.

Going to continue to farm butcher.

6/17/2012 9:15:17 AM

What skills/runes are you guys with DH's running? I feel like I am probably not utilizing the best of the available options.

6/17/2012 11:47:53 AM

Here is mine.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#aRYdXV!eTY!YcZbZb


if you use 1h xbows do not get archery and sharpshooter. pick one or the other and go with another passive.

[Edited on June 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM. Reason : *]

6/17/2012 12:02:56 PM

so who is TWW monk expert here? Might have some questions. I'm retiring the WD, what a piece of junk.

6/17/2012 6:31:03 PM

Done with Inferno!

Trying the DH next.

[Edited on June 17, 2012 at 6:43 PM. Reason : ]

6/17/2012 6:43:26 PM

lol, switching from a WD to a Monk? Isn't that like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire? From what I've seen, there is a lot of debate of who is bottom-of-the barrel, WD or Monk. I haven't seen many in Siegebreaker runs, but most are completely useless.

I have a friend who plays Monk and does fairly well with it, but all I hear about is how Barbs are significantly better. Gear choice end-game also seems fairly limited to pieces with resist stacking mods, which would drive me nuts. And the IAS nerf is probably gonna hurt the Monk more than any other class. I don't suspect the next patch will be kind to them.

[Edited on June 17, 2012 at 7:02 PM. Reason : ]

6/17/2012 7:00:32 PM

I killed Ghom last night on inferno with my monk, but I wouldn't call myself an expert. I dual wield and don't stack IAS or life on hit, so that's not exactly the conventional wisdom, but I've played around with builds for dual wield survivability a decent amount. Right now I'm farming Kulle and Belial to get some better gear to start the rest of Act 3.

I may try a bit of life on hit to see how much difference it makes, because I'd like to stick with the same build I use now if I can.

6/17/2012 7:49:48 PM

I went w/ Monk because I didn't want to play another range class. I did more than enough kiting and running with the WD and am done with that. I don't want to play barb either.

I've seen way more effective Monks than WD. If I can get similarly geared out with this Monk as I was with the WD I'm sure I'll do better.

6/17/2012 8:18:15 PM

Sold a legendary level 10 monk helm for $6 RMAH... I feel better knowing this game will pay for itself.

6/17/2012 8:45:45 PM

If you want to go monk, I would recommend that you use your experience and wealth on the AH to start looking for level 60 gear now. Up to that point, just go +dex and +vit with big dps weapons and it's hard to go wrong; I only died 3-4 times before hitting inferno. But once you get here, it's obviously a big step up.

CapnObvious is right that high-end gear is hard to come by, since all monks rely heavily on more distinct attributes than probably any other class and build. One With Everything is just about mandatory, and +resistance is budgeted more cheaply than an equivalent amount of +armor, so it's very helpful to stack All Resists with whatever you choose as a primary resist to raise. I chose Physical, which is a bit more expensive on the AH but has better resale value since it's the most valuable for other classes to have on top of All. Aim for 700+, which means looking for 80+ on each item; if you can pick up 100+ combined resist on a few pieces, that gives you leeway on some of the slots that have other attributes to look for (see below).

+Dex gives damage, dodge, as well as armor if you use Seize the Initiative. You should also insist on +Vit on everything but weapons and maybe jewelry, depending on what you have to give up to get it.

So that's four stats on every armor piece already. The hardest slots to fill that you should start looking for now are gloves and helms. In addition to the above, you should get IAS on gloves, and try to get crit chance and/or crit damage. For helms, make sure to get a socket for a +life% gem (rule of thumb for a well-geared monk is 1% life is worth roughly 10 Vit), and if you already have a build you like, get +damage% on your primary skill. Picking up +crit chance on a helm is a nice bonus, too.

6/18/2012 1:12:16 AM

not sure what they're planning on doing with IAS, but getting over 2 attacks per second is really nice for spirit generation and life on hit. and if you can find a fast weapon with IAS, you can get over 3.

6/18/2012 8:34:04 AM

Man my buddy has ate it twice now as a monk hardcore. once at 52, the next trying to power level back up to us at 42.

His problem isnt the monk, its knowing when to run away (i.e. dont take on 2 champ packs when both have arcane and one has jailer)

Anyone else progressing hardcore? I have yet to lose a character, so im trying to level up multiples to soften that blow.

I have a 53 DH, 52 barb, 22 wiz, and a monk and wd at 10 and 8.

Nightmare Diablo nearly did my DH in since I was careless about the bone traps. Gogo preparation heal!

[Edited on June 18, 2012 at 10:28 AM. Reason : *]

6/18/2012 10:27:40 AM

i dont get why my RM items are not selling. market price for items with the same stats are going for 5-20$ and yet i do not have a single bid on any of my 10 items despite my low buyout prices.. anyone having similar issues selling moderately good gear on the RMAH?

6/18/2012 11:07:41 AM

undercutting buyouts can sometimes be counterproductive, as most people get an idea in their head of what something "should" cost, filter accordingly. I've listed items at bargain basement buyouts and had them not sell, then relisted them with a higher buyout but with the same low initial bid, and had it sell.

*shrug*

people be stupid

6/18/2012 11:19:26 AM

http://d3db.com/news/id/268-datamined-10310057-patch-changes-unofficial/

Claim to be unofficial patch notes. Not much of interest except what they are showing for the attack speed nerf, and it is pretty significant.

6/18/2012 11:23:04 AM

I have noticed that selling by the lowest buyout usually sells my items. It's interesting that you guys are experiencing something different, because that has been my go-to method for getting rid of junk.

6/18/2012 11:31:27 AM

hmm yeah interesting to know, thx for the tip Sayer. seems that I am either way overvaluing my items or that I misread the market price for similar gear. guess ill try again in a day or two if none of my shit sells

6/18/2012 12:27:40 PM

Found these today on a Dead Villager in the Cathedral on the way to the Skeleton King - not all that but just exciting to find.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/promise-of-glory

[Edited on June 18, 2012 at 12:37 PM. Reason : /]

6/18/2012 12:36:41 PM

Could be pretty valuable depending on the other stats.

I think after this patch, when attack speed gets hit the big thing will be crit chance and crit damage. So any items that have those on them will sell. A lot of people already going that direction anyway.

If you have any nice IAS gear, dump it all now while u can get a lot for it.

6/18/2012 12:52:17 PM

So i have screwed around with all the classes though act 1 normal. I think its times i picked 1/2 to focus on leveling up for now. The feel i get for relative power is below, with 5 being the best class
barb: aoe 3, single target 2, defense 5, cc 1. can just stand and swing to win.
Wiz: aoe 4, single target 4, defense 1, cc 5. Very glass cannon feel
DH: aoe 1, single target 5, defense 3, cc 3. Great single target/kiting. Mass murdering feels lacking
Monk: aoe 2, single target 3, defense 4, cc 2. feels like slightly harder hitting less beefy barb to me
WD: aoe 5, single target 1, defense 2, cc 4. AoE kiter. Reminds me of a summon/poison necro from D2.

From what i read monk and WD suffer a lot at higher levels/hhave strict gear requirements. I am currently leaning towards the tried and true D2 practice of level the barb to gear the caster (wizard) to gear everything else. Would this still be the most efficient route to take?

[Edited on June 18, 2012 at 1:20 PM. Reason : b]

6/18/2012 1:20:43 PM

DH has amazing aoe once you get the ball lightning rune for elemental arrow. The nether tentacle rune (also for elemental arrow) is also very good, does more damage but in a smaller area. There are other aoe spells that do a lot of damage too but ball lightning and nether tentacles are so good you don't even need them.

There is no real point to leveling a barb to gear a wizard. The wizard is one of the strongest classes right now. Just hit up the AH every 10 levels or so and you'll be unstoppable.

6/18/2012 1:40:04 PM

Hmm... Maybe i'll work on DH and Barb for a bit more before i take it down to 1

6/18/2012 1:46:25 PM

Quote :

"There is no real point to leveling a barb to gear a wizard. The wizard is one of the strongest classes right now. Just hit up the AH every 10 levels or so and you'll be unstoppable."

This.

6/18/2012 1:54:28 PM