blah blah blah, the parking or emergency brake pretty much doesn't use the hydraulic system anyways..theyre almost all operated by some sort of cable so this argument is pretty useless

11/4/2005 7:13:31 PM

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"Quote : "So even if it did boil the brake fluid, it would only be at the rear, and the pedal would still work the front brakes" GTFO now."

I'll get out, but I'm right. Bye.

11/5/2005 11:05:13 AM

on the topic off all this brake fluid boiling shit
NOBODYS BRAKE FLUID IS BOILING

this kinda explanation is conjured up by mechanics to avoid doing actual time consuming trouble shooting so they can make the easy money on the brake job. its true that brake fluid in race cars can boil, and maybe this has happened to one person in a normal street car. but the only reason mechanics talk about it is to scapegoat unrelated problems.

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"your parking brake is the emergency brake"

this makes no sense.

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"I said that if you keep driving with your parking brake on"

i dont understand the point of the argument. you cant drive with a parking break on. we've got things called shift-lock solenoids now.


[Edited on November 5, 2005 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ydes]

11/5/2005 1:27:33 PM

ummm

Automatics aren't the only cars.

11/7/2005 4:20:04 AM

haha...

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=363479

11/7/2005 2:38:41 PM

^^^Uh...quit n00bing on yourself.

The parking brake is a brake, and it is the same thing as the emergency brake.

Park in an automatic transmission is NOT, REPEAT, NOT a parking brake. Rather, it's a pawl that engages teeth on one of the planetary drums. Some are rather sturdy, some aren't, and by no means would I rely on that alone to hold my car parked on a hill.

[Edited on November 7, 2005 at 2:41 PM. Reason : redirect.]

11/7/2005 2:41:35 PM

^Thank you!! I wanted to post that, but kinda removed myself from this thread b/c I don't have boots tall enough for all of the Bullshit. I was also hoping this thread would die and go away, but now that it's back up... ^AMEN!

11/7/2005 2:44:30 PM

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"Also, gargs, you won't "lose your brakes completely" and go flying off the highway into oblivion, you might get some air in the lines that will result in the brakes acting inconsistently and seeming to have spots where they slip, then grab. But that's nothing that can't be fixed with a flare wrench to crack the bleeder screws and a buddy. Of course, that statement isn't directed at you gargs, since I'm guessing you have no buddies, nor do you have any wrenches."

I hate to break it to you and everyone else (and as much as I hate to admit it) but esgargs is right, at least with some vehicles.

A few years ago when I was in Panama City Beach my right rear caliper piston froze in place, from having the parking brake set all week (spring break week). I tried driving with it stuck on, but after about 10 miles my brake system overheated and my brake pedal, UNEXPECTEDLY, went straight to the floor while I was driving in traffic. Only b/c I'm smart ( ) and downshifted to 1st gear did I avoid an accident.

So there's proof that at least with some cars, if your parking brake is on it can cause your entire brake system to fail. And at the very least it will warp the hell out of the rotor in question.

11/7/2005 3:10:28 PM

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"The parking brake is a brake, and it is the same thing as the emergency brake. "

ok maybe in some cars

i drive a 91 accord. when you are in park, the front wheels are very strongly locked in place

when you crank the e-brake, the backs are now locked. ive driven several miles with the e-brake on it. that was a few years ago, and there was no damage, and the e-brake can still stop the car.

it is my understanding that in most automatics, this is how it works. i suppose i could be wrong.


[Edited on November 7, 2005 at 3:44 PM. Reason : -]

11/7/2005 3:42:04 PM

THE PARK SETTING ON AN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION IS NOT A BRAKE

WTF people.

[Edited on November 7, 2005 at 3:44 PM. Reason : j]

11/7/2005 3:44:17 PM

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"Park in an automatic transmission is NOT, REPEAT, NOT a parking brake."

i mean this is just semantics

a brake stops a wheel from moving. prawl and teeth or pad and rotor...i mean what the fuck is the big deal.

if its stop the wheels, is it not a brake?

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"Main Entry: 5brake Function: noun Etymology: perhaps from obsolete brake bridle 1 : a device for arresting or preventing the motion of a mechanism usually by means of friction 2 : something used to slow down or stop movement or activity "

i know i could be totally off...im not an expert...i have just observed the same kinda thing in all the cars if seen. youve got a park brake for the fronts, and an e-brake for the backs.

[Edited on November 7, 2005 at 3:53 PM. Reason : -]

11/7/2005 3:46:25 PM

so when approacing a red light, you recommend putting it in park?

to "slow down or stop activity", there must be activitiy (motion) in the first place.

11/7/2005 4:01:38 PM

it's not called a parking brake though. the term "parking brake" always refers to the emergency brakes.

if you take the definition of "brake" literally, then a rock I cram behind my wheels to keep the car from moving could be a brake

11/7/2005 4:03:44 PM

Josh8315...

Yer about a dumb goddam dildo.

You strike me as somebody who knows exactly jack shit about cars. As a matter of fact, this thread has been riddled with people who know exactly squat about cars, even if they incidentally got something right.

11/7/2005 4:29:47 PM

^AHAHAHA, yeah like esgargs.

PARKING BRAKE = EMERGENCY BRAKE

11/7/2005 4:33:53 PM

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"a brake stops a wheel from moving. prawl and teeth or pad and rotor...i mean what the fuck is the big deal."

There is a pretty big difference. When you put your automatic transmission in "park" it basically locks the transmission in place and doesn't allow the gears to move, thust preventing the rest of the driveline from turning, and finally preventing your tires from turning. Think of it as almost the same thing as a manual transmission with the engine off, in 1st gear. The reason why the front is locked in your car is b/c your car is front wheel drive. This system is so different from vehicle brakes. I understand you're saying it's just semantics, yes, they both prevent the car from moving, but they're as different as night and day.

11/7/2005 4:34:25 PM

Why don't you try putting your car in park @60mph. Tell me how that motherfucker works as a brake.

11/7/2005 4:35:23 PM

ok, i was trying to speak retardese in that last post, what i really meant to say was:

Quote :

"Yer about a dumb goddam dildo"

11/7/2005 4:36:44 PM

^^beat me to it

Josh, do a little scientific experiment to show us who's wrong.

From 50mph stop your car using first just your emergency/parking brake. Then brake from 50mph a second time, but this time the only thing you can do to stop your car is put the transmission in "park".

Oh, and make sure there's no one around for the second run, and hope you have AAA.

[Edited on November 7, 2005 at 4:37 PM. Reason : too slow]

11/7/2005 4:37:04 PM

i've actually put a camry in reverse once at about a 30mph roll

I was going from drive to neutral 'cause it was acting up and I overshot neutral right into reverse. tire chirping fun. I immediately got out of reverse, of course

11/7/2005 4:45:46 PM

Did it make that god-awful gear stripping sound??

11/7/2005 4:49:27 PM

^^ that's why you dont push in hte button when going from drive-neutral.

11/7/2005 4:58:38 PM

yeah those damn automatics.. so freakin' hard to drive

^^it didnt make a gear stripping sound, it just squalled the tires (the "tarrs")

11/7/2005 5:10:42 PM

by the way. my gf drove my car and she noticed a big difference.

11/7/2005 5:11:33 PM

she's just trying to make you feel better about having spent $800

11/7/2005 5:13:11 PM

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"And at the very least it will warp the hell out of the rotor in question."

hate to break it to you but 'warped rotors' are a myth

11/8/2005 2:48:42 AM

here we go again with teh warped brake pads misconception

11/8/2005 2:57:40 AM

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"From 50mph stop your car using first just your emergency/parking brake. Then brake from 50mph a second time, but this time the only thing you can do to stop your car is put the transmission in "park""

i had a friend do it at 5 mph once. it stopped the car.

again, its all semantics. a brake is something that keeps a car from moving in my dictionary. i posted the definition. probably youd all seem a lot lets idiotic if you just came out and admitted the dictionary agrees with me, but the common definition a mechanic would give would be different. and since ive already said im not a mechanic, it all makes sense. but i know i know, that would be, hard.

but hey...im sure this argument will only get more products. claiming a parking brake isnt a brake even thought it stops a car but works different then the other brakes? how can you lose.

im not saying it doest work differently.

but heres a little scientific experiment for you.

drive at 5 mph. put on parking brake. if the car stops, then the dictionary says im right. obviously i dont care if teh common defnition of mechanics exempt the parking brake from qualifying, becuase, as ive already stated, im not a mechanic, and i dont give a fuck.


[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 4:45 AM. Reason : -]

11/8/2005 4:39:16 AM

Do that too many times and you'll be buying a new transmission. Stick to using the brakes to stop, k?

11/8/2005 7:05:55 AM

^^you're a fucking idiot.

Here's one for you. lay down on the road in front of a car moving 5mph. When it hits you it will stop.

I GUESS BY YOUR DEFINITION YOU ARE A BRAKE AS WELL.

11/8/2005 9:16:26 AM

^x2

11/8/2005 9:20:44 AM

this thread gets better by the minute.

11/8/2005 9:34:00 AM

yeah, it's getting pretty ri-god-damn-diculous

11/8/2005 9:38:29 AM

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"this thread gets better stupider by the minute."

ok.. i got another one for you.. get going about 50, then steer into a tree. now the tree is a brake.

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 9:57 AM. Reason : -]

11/8/2005 9:56:58 AM

Shall I repeat? Yep.

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"Yer about a dumb goddam dildo"

11/8/2005 9:58:00 AM

if my care says i have a "parking brake". ill believe it, and use it help keep my car from moving while in park.

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 11:32 AM. Reason : - ]

11/8/2005 11:30:49 AM

Ok, not sure, but don't owners manuals say to put car in park and set the parking/emergency brake before leaving the vehicle?

11/8/2005 11:36:33 AM

yes, typically.

11/8/2005 11:53:05 AM

^^mine does

11/8/2005 12:02:02 PM

wow... this thread is something else

11/8/2005 12:14:35 PM

they are coming out of the n00bwork

11/8/2005 12:58:26 PM