^^ A duke fan would say that.


Give me a break, no other team in the country gets away with that shit.


Unless they are playing State... then an offensive foul would have been called, and a subsequent technical on Bennerman for landing on the ground too hard.

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 11:53 PM. Reason : a]

2/1/2006 11:53:08 PM

haha true

2/1/2006 11:55:16 PM

as usual shelden is only dominate defensively against smaller players he can overpower

2/1/2006 11:57:51 PM

BC plays like a bunch of non-disciplined punks.

as far as the point where marshall got in jj's face. i believe marshall may have been pumping the crowd, then realized he was in jj's face, and then focused on getting jj riled up...i think marshall should have been T'd up on that...unsportsman like...as a matter of fact, the whole team was unsportsman like, very undisciplined...

and, how bout the hack job they did on redick near the end of the game...it was a rough foul, and the BC player tried to punk redick while he was down. see, thats the thing, while these players think they are 'punking' redick, he's throwing up stats while the others are throwing up bricks.

and the no-call at the end of the game...tough time for a ref to make a call, any other point of a game, probably a foul...last play of the game, no call...

2/2/2006 1:03:37 AM

2/2/2006 1:18:49 AM

So I guess that from here on, if a defender jumps straight up, while a shooter leans in and makes contact, that won't be a foul. This is like saying that there should be no such thing as a blocking foul since the guy is trying not to move.

Then again, I don't think Chris Paul was called for a foul last year either against Hodge.

2/2/2006 7:39:47 AM

actually.. screw it.. doesn't matter for State anyway..

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 8:17 AM. Reason : f]

2/2/2006 8:14:42 AM

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"and the no-call at the end of the game...tough time for a ref to make a call, any other point of a game, probably a foul...last play of the game, no call..."

I agree, you shouldnt really expect a foul call when you drive the lane and jump into someone.

2/2/2006 8:42:18 AM

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" and the no-call at the end of the game...tough time for a ref to make a call, any other point of a game, probably a foul...last play of the game, no call..."

If you say this...you are either a Duke homer, or a complete idiot.

I don't care if it's the last second of the national championship game and the guy shooting the layup is playing for the team that is down only one point....you make that call.

- Shelden Williams got no ball.
- Shelden leaned in with his body...he DID NOT go straight up
- Shelden williams whacked Rice's arm with his arm

End of debate.

2/2/2006 8:46:00 AM

^if the tables were turned, and it was state that won the game that way, you would have been like "oh, beautiful officiating...great no call"...come on man, a play at the end of the game is rarely called...i've seen alot more no calls at the end of the game that was alot rougher...

2/2/2006 9:18:08 AM

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""and the no-call at the end of the game...tough time for a ref to make a call, any other point of a game, probably a foul...last play of the game, no call..." "

I think it's a copout to play the "oh, we don't want to change the outcome by making a call" card, because you're affecting the outcome just as much with a no-call.

If it's a foul in the middle of the game, it should be a foul at the end. Just be consistent in calls.

2/2/2006 9:24:12 AM

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""oh, beautiful officiating...great no call"..."

I wouldn't. I'd say .. 'Wow we got away with one on that call'.. However, when was the last time State was the beneficiary of a game changing or defining call like that? I honestly don't think I've ever seen that happen and I started school in '99..

On the flip side say it was Hansbrough for UNC that got away with that blatant foul. This board would be up in arms about a UNC conspiracy.. and that is a fact..

P.S. - now everyone know what I mean about BCU and their thugs and lack of big game players that I've been preaching for well over 2 years now..

2/2/2006 9:26:39 AM

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"^if the tables were turned, and it was state that won the game that way, you would have been like "oh, beautiful officiating...great no call"...come on man, a play at the end of the game is rarely called...i've seen alot more no calls at the end of the game that was alot rougher..."

Actually...no I wouldn't. I would have said that we got lucky that they didn't call that. I said that after the Clemson game that we got the benefit of the calls (aside from Cam's tech).

There's a difference between understanding the calls and being glad that they go your way....and being a blind idiot because you're a Duke homer.

I can also take the excuse that the refs just missed the call...if it wasn't at the end of the game. Refs should be concentrating more at the end of the game so they can see a fucking mugging like that. This is what a ref does pertaining to fouls called at the end of the game:

- They let ticky tack fouls go
- They won't call fouls where its obvious that the shooter is trying to create contact and the defender doesn't make obvious hard foul
- They don't call fouls on people scrambling for loose balls and rebounds (GT/VT game being an exception, although it might be warranted because if he didn't make the call, the other team would have won the game...if Smith doesn't make the tip-in, I don't think he makes the call)
- They DO CALL obvious fouls like the one Shelden Williams made last night. I've never seen that obvious of a foul not called at the end of the game. I've seen it missing before the end of the game...but the refs should be paying enough attention to not miss that call. It's unexcuseable.

Tyrese was not driving into several duke defenders...he wasn't leaning into Shelden Williams to draw contact...he had a lane to the basket and was going for the layup and got mauled.

2/2/2006 9:57:47 AM

I'm a self admitted Duke homer and that call at the end of the game should have been a foul. We got away with one there. Thanks again refs.

2/2/2006 10:33:31 AM

well, i'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine. we're going to have to agree to disagree. i say it was a good no call, and you think otherwise.

2/2/2006 11:25:46 AM

it was a fucking bullshit call and you know it

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 11:27 AM. Reason : no other team in the country would have gotten that call but Duke (maybe the 93 Tarholes)]

2/2/2006 11:27:03 AM

nope, no bullshit...good call

don't lower yourselves to tarheel fans and start blaming the refs for everything...

2/2/2006 11:28:25 AM

umm i think you might be seriously retarded if you believe that should NOT have been a foul

let me just show you the definition of a foul

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"An attempt to unfairly disadvantage an opponent through personal contact is illegal and is called a foul."

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 11:33 AM. Reason : and if you are going to tell me there was no contact, im going to recommend a good optometrist.]

2/2/2006 11:29:44 AM

seriously, i have seen rougher at the end of a game and no call was given. but, whatever, the game is over...

2/2/2006 11:37:41 AM

yeah im sure Bosten College feels the same way

2/2/2006 11:40:04 AM

Here is Al Skinners take FWIW

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"''I'm happy about the way we played, and it's unfortunate that we were put in that position we were in," said Eagles coach Al Skinner, who was frustrated over Duke's lopsided advantage at the line, where the Blue Devils hit 29 of 37 attempts compared with 10 of 13 for BC. ''To have two of your starters foul out on offensive fouls when at least I thought they were pretty stationary, considering the discrepancy in the fouls, it's just unfortunate that we were put at such a disadvantage. ''You can call whatever you want against us, but it's got to be the same on both ends. When there's contact going to the basket, they call fouls, that's fine. But when my guys go to the basket and there's contact, it should be a foul. It's just that simple. ''When that doesn't occur, then obviously there's a problem there." Even more problematic for Skinner was the fact Smith, a bruising, 6-foot-7-inch, 250-pounder, played 35 minutes and didn't once go to the line, while Williams played 36 minutes and went to the line 16 times, making as many as the Eagles attempted overall. ''I'm not the guy making the decision, all I'm doing is observing," Skinner said. ''If one group is shooting that many free throws and to have one player shoot almost as many as your team . . . that's tough." "

2/2/2006 11:44:02 AM

What does he expect when he doesnt know how to use Smith. He doesnt put him on the low block. Smith gets the ball around the foul line. You wont draw fouls out there. I understand getting him the ball out there to a point, he made some very good passes last night. But come on.

2/2/2006 11:46:52 AM

hahah that is such a typical Duke response

2/2/2006 11:50:54 AM

You know absolutely nothing about basketball.

2/2/2006 11:54:43 AM

i know alot about your mom though

2/2/2006 11:57:17 AM

I'm not sure why you guys are arguing. I mean every single media report I've seen, the commentators (who are notorious Duke homers), all other ACC fans (just ran through some other message boards) all agree it was a ridiculous no-call. I mean there are a few blind mice on TWW for some reason but I can't explain them..

What does it matter to keep arguing it? It happened. The game wasn't literally decided on it since Duke still would have had the lead with likely JJ taking 2 FTs with 7 seconds left so the chances they actually lose are very slim still..

As far as Craig Smith though. He is used a lot like Cedric Simmons in our offense. He bangs just as much as anyone else but is also a good passer so they feed him up top sometimes. It is odd that he didn't get to the line considering he has attempted over 130 FTs on the year. Though he wasn't as aggressive as he usually is with Shelden down there he definitely got bumped a few times.. I think Skinner uses him just fine, considering the results and numbers..

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 11:59 AM. Reason : f]

2/2/2006 11:58:43 AM

agreed

2/2/2006 11:59:39 AM

Wonder if Skinner will be fined for those comments?

2/2/2006 12:09:12 PM

yeah probably cus Coach K will complain to the ACC and after they pull their mouth off of his dick, they will slap Skinner with a fine for upsetting Coach K.

2/2/2006 12:14:05 PM

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"we got the benefit of the calls (aside from Cam's tech). "

You moron, you cant slap backboard on dunks, look it up.

2/2/2006 12:15:15 PM

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"The game wasn't literally decided on it since Duke still would have had the lead with likely JJ taking 2 FTs with 7 seconds left so the chances they actually lose are very slim still.. "

If the correct call would have been made, it would have been an intentional foul. Williams didn't go anywhere near the ball.

2/2/2006 12:49:10 PM

bingo

2/2/2006 12:56:27 PM

Now that's just silly. I mean come on..

2/2/2006 12:58:04 PM

its only silly because it would never get called

2/2/2006 12:59:49 PM

i hate duke more than just about anyone, but that was no way an intentional foul...a foul, yes, intentional, no way

2/2/2006 1:01:21 PM

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"Quote : "we got the benefit of the calls (aside from Cam's tech). " You moron, you cant slap backboard on dunks, look it up. "

he got the tech for hanging not slapping the backboard .... moron

2/2/2006 1:02:46 PM

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"Now that's just silly. I mean come on.."

Well I didn't expect it to be called an intentional foul on the court (though I thought they would have at least called some kind of foul), but if we're going to say that there should have been a foul called we should at least acknowledge the fact that it was an intentional foul. He drilled him in the opposite shoulder from where he was carrying the ball, IIRC.

It's a matter of what the call should really be vs. what the call would be. I'm fully aware they'd never get an intentional foul called in that situation, butwith how it looked on the replay it definitely could have been one.

After watching the last half of the game though, I don't think there was much of a clear Duke bias though, to be perfectly honest. Calls were going both ways, though in the last couple of minutes or so it seemed like Duke was getting the benefit of the doubt on fouls, whereas BC was getting it on possession.

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 1:07 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 1:10 PM. Reason : .]

2/2/2006 1:06:52 PM

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"You moron, you cant slap backboard on dunks, look it up."

You're an idiot. He didn't slap the fucking backboard. If anything, he put his hand on it to steady himself so he didn't fall on his back.

2/2/2006 3:21:17 PM

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"You moron, you cant slap backboard on dunks, look it up."

Actually, you should look it up. I posted the rules in the thread about it...and there's absolutely nothing there that says you can't slap the board after a dunk.

2/2/2006 3:25:03 PM

Oooooooooo

2/2/2006 3:38:48 PM

from the camera on top of the backboard it looks like williams right arm hits the bc guy

every other angle shows no contact between williams right arm and the bc guy

2/2/2006 6:41:09 PM

YEAH LIKE I'M GONNA TRUST SOME CAMERA

2/2/2006 6:44:58 PM

2/2/2006 6:47:09 PM