Page 4 says I love Herb!

Iowa won the Big Ten, the highest rated conference in the RPI. Because it was ugly it was a terrible game? It was good defense.

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3/12/2006 11:23:07 PM

Trey Guidry from La. Transfered to ISU (Illinois State). Was PG

Can't rem when transferred...was it 2002/03??


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3/12/2006 11:25:45 PM

i definitely remember who trey was. another good talent who ran or was run away.

who cares how many points harrington scored in the nba? he made it didnt he? obviously, you have to be pretty good to make it. that's plain retarded to argue. come on.

and packboozie, my folks have season tickets too. i've been goin to games my whole life. you and me are in the minority on this board i believe.

3/12/2006 11:32:30 PM

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"we are in the top 15 or 20 all time, and thats it. its a good thing, but dont act like we're anywhere near the top programs ever. go ahead and flame, youll only look silly."

We are currently... I believe... #22 on the all-time win list.


Before the dormancy hit us we were somewhere around #15 or 16



We were the 7th program to ever reach 2,000 wins.



I see a trend starting here

3/12/2006 11:34:02 PM

he appeared in 19 games

that's 19 more games than Grundy and Gainey combined and they are 1000X better than Harrington

3/12/2006 11:34:17 PM

they would know who Guidry was if they saw him nail 5 3-pointers against Wake Forest.

would have liked to see Marshall Williams stick around

3/12/2006 11:37:44 PM

I wish Powell would have stuck around

3/12/2006 11:38:25 PM

^ and ^^ the list goes on

3/13/2006 12:23:00 AM

Powell got bad advice from somebody after he had a breakout ACC Tournament

i don't think you can chalk that one up to Herb

3/13/2006 12:24:30 AM

i hope Herb wins the damn NC not just b/c i want it, but just to shut up all of the haters.

i'm not a blind Herb lover. i see problems with our team. the thing i think hurts us the most is the fact that the guys don't hit the boards like they should. when you see your teammate shoot a three, don't just sit there and watch the ball fly through the air. try to get close to the basket b/c that's where most missed shots end up. in that 4-5 foot radius around the basket. it's not that hard to understand. we are usually a very solid team. shoot fts well. often have deadly 3-pt shooters that can knock down the open look (don't know where they went to, but i hope they return ), and we have the ability to spread teams out and bringing their big men out from the basket. we often take care of the ball well. the rebounding is our big factor in why we lose games. just b/c 4 guys are out around the arc when a 3-pt shot is thrown up doesn't mean that 2 of them can't run close to the basket to at least contend for a rebound.

sometimes we can hold of teams when they try to make a run, and sometimes we can't. i just don't get it. simmons needs to get back to his old self, even though i know he was sick for the WF Tourney game. also we need to feed it to him more when the 3 is not falling. i'd personally like to see more of a balance between both.

i think what irks State fans the most is that we have the RBC Center, arguably the finest bball arena in the ACC, and top 10 in capacity nationally, we have a very loud, supportive, and knowledgeable fan base that creates a great gameday atmosphere, and one of the most tradition filled programs nationally, yet we can't even beat UNC and Duke even 40% of the time during the recent more successful years. you can argue all you want about matchup problems, but that first meeting in Chapel Hill the obviously more experienced State team should have beaten the less experienced UNC team, and it looked almost as predicted during the first few minutes when we jumped out to that early lead. now the second meeting, UNC played an almost flawless game, but how in the world did we get beat by 24 at home. we were only able to force 5 turnovers on the then last place team in terms of turnover margin.

with all of that said, Go State! please surprise me and everyone in this years tournament.

3/13/2006 12:54:39 AM

I get annoyed by the alumni JimmyV cockstroking that goes on at NC State. J.V wasn't the best coach in the world nor were his teams the dominant powerhouse that our alumni made them out to be. Could he have gotten even better and became as big of an institution as K? Maybe. Did he? No.

That being said, while its unfair to hold Herb S. to a phantom standard that our fans, not Jimmy V. set, its not a total stretch of reality to say that Herb's teams have all been a dissappointment. People will say "oh we made the NCAA's X years straight.", "oh we made the tournament final X times", "oh we're obviously on the up and up" and they'll point to records, and statistics, and opinion columns that all together show the picture of a good, but not great, program.

We haven't one very many big games, we've choked multiple times in the NCAAT and ACCT as well as had inexplicable injuries that ultimately lead to meltdowns. When something like Watkins tearing his knee or the team playing flatfooted for no reason then its just an abberation, a part of what makes basketball interesting. When it happens multiple times, then it becomes a trend. A trend that Herb Sendek is all too familiar with, be it bad luck or not.

Furthermore, Herb's teams have been called methodical, precise, and discplined but they haven't ever been called passionate. When teams have brought the heat and determined against us, we've almost always without question crumbled. When players have caught fire and singlehandedly gained control of the team, we've been unable to shut them down or contain them. How many times have you heard a state fan say "man who the hell is XXXX, that dude scored averaged like three points a game before" as XXXX drained his 5th three ball? How many times have you seen our team burn away a lead and throw the towel in with a last desperate no-chance-in-hell lob at the basket?

As good of a man Herb is, and as much as he may know basketball, I have yet to see anything from him to convince me that he is a motivational force. That he can convince players to play much better then they really, even if only for one night. Sure, his system hides the fact that very few players on our teams have been athletic and talented, but I can't remember any game where our team has gone into a timeout and comeback pumped an hungry.

For Herb to save this year, and at least maintain progress, he has to win at least 2 games. Judging from our bracket, thats going to take some serious basketball. Basketball we haven't seen our team play in over a month. And that folks, is just to save his job.

/Rant

3/13/2006 1:33:43 AM

^he won't be fired even if we lose in the first round. he MIGHT take a job somewhere else to get away from our fans, but he won't be fired. or forced to resign. not after this season. period.

3/13/2006 4:09:14 AM

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"How many times have you heard a state fan say "man who the hell is XXXX, that dude scored averaged like three points a game before" as XXXX drained his 5th three ball?"

3/13/2006 4:21:27 AM

Tyrus Wade. Set a RBC Center record with 37 points I believe. Ive never seen anything like that. He looked like Tracy McGrady out there.

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"would have liked to see Marshall Williams stick around"

The year we lost at Duke in OT by 1, he was key in that game. He had some game but I believe he left because he was from Wisconsin and was homesick?

3/13/2006 10:18:56 AM

Lub da herb

http://www.keepherb.com

3/13/2006 10:45:00 AM

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"you people that are so quick to criticize our offense, have you ever stopped to think about the fact that we didn't make the tournament until he implemented it? and i know for the last 4 years your response to that would have been "it isn't the offense, it's julius hodge". what is your response this year? this is the first time we weren't a bubble team too. yeah, we limped into the tournament, but we've never been in that situation under herb. "

Yeah, I stopped to think about it.

Its a total bullshit offense that doesnt work now that teams have figured it out.

Even Herb said earlier this season that we were getting away from it, and running more and using a faster paced offense with more inside play.

Well, HERB, WHY THE FUCK DID YOU STOP USING THE NEW OFFENSE.

If anyone noticed, we blew big leads against Miami and VT because of that slow down crap. I saw nothing but princeton slow shit at the end of the VT game, and dont even get me started on the end of the BC game. Every god damn timeout we took, we ran the same high post screen play and I knew what was comming every time.


Yeah, for half of a season, I thought Herb had gotten away from the old offense, but he's right back to square one. So THATS why we made the tournament again this year. He's lucky he didnt use more princeton earlier in the season, otherwise we'd maybe have 17 wins and be yelling NIT NIT NIT NIT.

3/13/2006 11:10:54 AM

No we actually blow leads when we try to play a fast paced game. With Atsur and Evtimov getting majority PT, we can't play an athletic game in transition. Any game we've lost this year we've done so moving away from our regular offense.

That makes me doubt Herb even more.

3/13/2006 11:15:59 AM

^I think you're on the same side of the fence as me, and we might blow some leads trying to play too quickly, but thats different from running princeton crap and blowing leads, which is what we have done.


against VT, we tried to play with the clock with 14 minutes left in the game.....Run the shot clock to five seconds, and take a shitty shot or turn it over.

SOMEONE TELL HERB THAT YOU CAN NOT DO THAT....HE DID THE SAME MOTHERFUCKING THING AGAINST MD AND DUKE IN THE TOURNAMENT A FEW YEARS BACK AND LOST BOTH TIMES.


thats what I'm talking about....its the same shit after 4 years.

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3/13/2006 11:40:19 AM

syracuse just won the big east tournament championship game by doing that, and they were up by 3 or less when they did it.

but you're right. based on those two wonderful examples you provided it can't be done. fire herb

3/13/2006 11:45:24 AM

but Syracuse is actually capable of making shots

3/13/2006 12:42:56 PM

yeah you're right, we haven't shot well all season.

everybody has slumps. jj redick, arguably the best shooter of all time, just had about a 3-4 game shooting slump and broke out of it just in time to win the acc tournament.

it would take a lot of luck perhaps, but who's to say we can't break out of ours on friday?

3/13/2006 12:44:16 PM

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"Even worse is the criticism aimed at Herb Sendek. He has North Carolina State at 21-9 and headed to the NCAAs for the fifth consecutive year, a feat matched only by fellow ACC member Duke. The Wolfpack hit a rough spot late and were 10-6 in the ACC, but is this really something to get worked up over? Thank goodness the school administration is backing Sendek."

-dick vitale

3/13/2006 1:50:17 PM

^seriously

3/13/2006 1:51:02 PM

^^period.

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3/13/2006 1:51:24 PM

Vitale has always been a big supporter of Herb and feels that he has NEVER got his just due.

3/13/2006 1:51:45 PM

Its because he LOVES duke and unc and knows that as long as herb is here we wont compete with them.

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 1:54 PM. Reason : all unc fans like herb, wonder why?]

3/13/2006 1:53:39 PM

^ thats just as fucking stupid as the UNC/DUKE ref consipiracy

you sound like a fucking tool

3/13/2006 1:55:13 PM

^^yep, thats it exactly

3/13/2006 1:55:56 PM

if you dont think Vitale gloats over duke and unc, you must have never listened to him speak.

3/13/2006 1:56:05 PM

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"Its because he LOVES duke and unc and knows that as long as herb is here we wont compete with them."

ok salsburyboy

3/13/2006 2:00:55 PM

didn't say that (HE GLOATS OVER EVERY TEAM BY THE WAY, did you watch the selection show??) but i am saying it is ridiculous to think that he wants Sendek at State so Duke and UNC can consistently whip state and he can praise them more

3/13/2006 2:01:22 PM

^actually i watched the real selection show on cbs

who gives a fuck what vitale thinks anyways

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3/13/2006 2:02:09 PM

the point i was making was that we are never going to compete with duke or unc with herb, just wont happen, he doesnt put value into rivalry games

3/13/2006 2:04:04 PM

Ill be honest, I am very skeptical of Herb right now, mostly because I feel his lack of intensity is copied by his players most of the time.

However, if he were to change things up a bit and start playing to our teams strengths, I would give him a second chance. I just want us to win so bad that its hard to keep supporting a system with so many flaws and weaknesses. I think that having two systems that can be interchanged would be the best option, but I dont think that would allow players to learn it well enough.... so basically I just think we need to switch the system, not the coach. But the problem with that is that we cant make that decision, the coach does....

3/13/2006 2:08:47 PM

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"syracuse just won the big east tournament championship game by doing that, and they were up by 3 or less when they did it. but you're right. based on those two wonderful examples you provided it can't be done. fire herb "

Those were two examples of MANY that I left out. What about blowing a 24 point lead to Miami and going to double overtime? What about getting our ass handed to us by Seton Hall. What about scoring 42 points in a game, and losing by 3. What about losing big leads to Wisconson and Duke last year in the tournaments? If you dont see that Herb keeps making the same mistakes over and over, then you're blind.

3/13/2006 2:13:46 PM

I'm a 3rd-year NCSU student and my team has gone to the NCAAs every year. Of course I support my coach.

3/13/2006 5:17:26 PM

I'm a 5th-year NCSU student and my team has gone to the NCAAs every year. Of course I support my coach.

3/13/2006 8:44:03 PM

I'm a 4th-year NCSU student and my team has gone to the NCAAs every year. Of course I support my coach.

I wish he would encourage rebounding more tho...

3/13/2006 9:20:48 PM

I think it's funny how many of the Herb supporters in this thread are no longer Herb supporters.

Also wanted to point this out, because I remember watching this game vividly. It was about the most frustrating thing I'd seen, and definitely worse than the Iowa game that year, though that was clearly a train wreck too.

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"01/07/06 at North Carolina (25) L 69-82 12-2 (1-1) Wolfpack turns a 69-69 tie into a 69-82 loss in final 3:11."

2/17/2013 10:50:50 PM

signed

2/17/2013 10:53:16 PM

Signed that you support him?

2/17/2013 10:58:29 PM

supported in 1998 and support now

2/17/2013 11:06:43 PM

While I appreciate you two's support, Coach Gottfried has a great thing going on in Raleigh.

You should probably focus more on the Wolfpack.

Regards,

-HJS-

2/17/2013 11:08:09 PM

Is that Steven Segall?

2/17/2013 11:14:35 PM

NC State got my money

Herb got my heart

2/17/2013 11:17:28 PM

^^ I think that's former Wolfpack assistant coach, and current Drake head coach, Mark Phelps

2/17/2013 11:19:58 PM

With Herb we never even hung a banner. Even Sidney Lowe hung a banner.

2/17/2013 11:23:03 PM

....with all of Herb's players

2/17/2013 11:24:11 PM

^^ you know that looks like some good rack focus in that picture. real pro.

2/17/2013 11:30:18 PM

Never forget the owning of Villanova in a 2007 game at Walt Disney World that may has well have been the championship game of the NCAAs. It was that intense.

2/17/2013 11:39:31 PM