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"Supplanter: since you asked in 2 threads, i answered here"

just figured since you posted the bojangles/pizza comment in 2 threads figured I'd ask you in both if you saw one or the other first, I wasn't trying to be a prick or anything

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"GrumpyGOP: Wow, TGD, you're starting to sound like a sensible Republican. "

I've always been a sensible Republican...it's just that no one's given a shit about what I think to ask for my opinions

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"Supplanter: cody duct taped a dude to a tree, how can Langley even hope to rival that?"

it's off-topic, but I do think it's slightly ironic the same guy taped to the tree wrote a letter to Technician on Friday bitching about the Elections Commission and demanding the meetings be closed to the public in the future.

so much for that whole idea of requiring government bodies to have open meetings...


[Edited on March 25, 2006 at 11:11 PM. Reason : page [4]]

3/25/2006 11:10:29 PM

Laura Gail Lunsford
Park Scholars
Director

laura_lunsford@ncsu.edu



[Edited on March 25, 2006 at 11:19 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2006 11:18:12 PM

I'm not sure ability to do this for a campaign means your ideas that you share with the technician are necessarily related to the campaign at all.

3/26/2006 12:07:44 AM

I just know I wont be voting for whoever that added me as a friend on the facebook...

3/26/2006 12:11:32 AM

^^
trying to pass yourself off as unbiased in the paper, right before getting strapped to a tree for someone's campaign, is shady. the fact his ideas are idiotic was just thrown in for the humor content.

3/26/2006 12:24:01 AM

thats just plain stupid

3/26/2006 1:54:04 AM

GrumpyGOP, how did you get from:

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"If he weren't a long-time SG lackey who panders a bit much pop culture, voting for him would not trouble me."

to:

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"http://www.votelangley.com"

in a few days?

3/26/2006 2:01:29 AM

Initially I implied that I'd vote for him, but I wouldn't like it as much as one should like voting for a candidate. As things progressed, I came to the conclusion that the only thing holding me back at all as far as the "pop culture" jpart went was fear of mockery, which fear I sought to eradicate. Whatever it takes, I say, even if it does look a bit goofy to some.

As for the rest...I hate Student Government. I'm leery almost to the point of paranoia of anyone associated with it. But increasingly he strikes me less as a lackey and more as just a paricipant -- that is, he doesn't seem too enslaved by the Senate's self-important rules and traditions. If I had my druthers, he'd be a total outsider, but, as things stand, I can life with a "participant."

3/26/2006 2:26:06 AM

But doesnt it make more sense to vote for a non-participant who you agree with than a participant you agree with?

3/26/2006 12:15:17 PM

^well grumpyGOP did join this group

http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569

3/26/2006 1:02:00 PM

should an anarchist vote?

3/26/2006 2:19:51 PM

Well wanting to be rid of parts of student government hardly counts as anarchy. It is not anarchy to want to remove an unrepresentative group that has no power but that still manages to reflect poorly on the university as a whole. It will require about 10 or 15 percent of the students to be against student senate to get the ball rolling… more detail is given in that facebook group I linked a few posts ago.

I think its acceptable to vote for the least bad person so try to minimize the damage. Student government as a whole on this campus strikes me as simply a show that is put on to make people think students have any role in running this university. We already have all the rules & restrictions we need from the university, which the student senate can’t even touch, so why do we need a legislative body?

3/26/2006 2:34:01 PM

I didnt mean to say he was an anarchist for wanting to get rid of student government. It was meant more as a joke.

As for the question you asked about why we need a student senate...my answer is______
Because there is no reason.

3/26/2006 2:41:02 PM

The only acceptable use of Student Senate that I agree with is the distibution of student fees for organizations (appropriations)...beyond that, I question what good they do, because there's no real way any of them (outside of CALS senators, because they freaking rock) are real representatives of thier bodies

3/26/2006 4:23:41 PM

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"lahyde: The only acceptable use of Student Senate that I agree with is the distibution of student fees for organizations (appropriations)...beyond that, I question what good they do, because there's no real way any of them (outside of CALS senators, because they freaking rock) are real representatives of thier bodies"

spoken like a true Association of Student Governments career politician...


[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 4:30 PM. Reason : btw I want my $1 back]

3/26/2006 4:30:08 PM

I'm all for the abolishment of Student Government. All they do is cut down on appropriations and increase pay. Fuck, them in their goat ass.

3/26/2006 4:40:58 PM

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"Yup sure did.... and If you notice I said right from the start I dont care about grammer and all that when im posting on a message board"

this is a fallacy. you assume because you are EE that you will never have to write a coherent sentence with proper grammar and spelling. In reality, if you lack the communication skills necessary you will be stuck at an entry level position for the rest of your life. writing well should be something everyone strives for.

3/26/2006 4:54:36 PM

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"spoken like a true Association of Student Governments career politician..."

I have been saying that long before I decided to work at asg...and this was my first year, and I plan to only be in it for one more year...so career? I would hardly agree with that...

3/26/2006 5:02:19 PM

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"Sup:cody duct taped a dude to a tree, how can Langley even hope to rival that? Sup:I also saw a few of his pamphlet things around harrelson today so they have been given out, and theres a thread on pizza hut coupon/door brochures. GOP:” Just give up. The election is in four days. Two of those are weekend days when nobody's going to be around campus.” Sup:On a more serious note, it does look like his campaign is still alive and going straight up until the end. And he got a stunt in on a weekday when people were around campus. "

In addition to that, they had a campaign meeting tonight I think... so it looks like they are planning more stuff.

3/26/2006 8:31:26 PM

Voting is a multi-day thing right?
Meaning that if i was undecided and saw something amazing monday i could be convinced to vote.
It aint over till all the votes are counted (or not counted depending upon where you live in Florida)

3/26/2006 8:46:09 PM

who besides Quick / Langley / Cody has a chance of winning? that's who ill vote for

3/26/2006 8:53:21 PM

on top of all my other reasons for hating quick, his campaign put trash on my doorknob at my apartment friday...

3/26/2006 9:41:00 PM

^^
no one. Vance Blanton is running as the heir to The Pirate Captain's "legacy." Scott Stephenson is running to "make a statement" for part-time students. And then there's the write-in block.

Langley, Quick or Williams will be next year's SBP.

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"lahyde: I have been saying that long before I decided to work at asg...and this was my first year, and I plan to only be in it for one more year...so career? I would hardly agree with that..."

anyone aspiring to be President of an elitist embarassment of "representative" pseudo-government like the joke that is the UNC Association of Student Governments is, by definition, an ASG career politician.

it's nothing against you personally, just a reality of the farce to which you've devoted your time...


[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 10:02 PM. Reason : and I want my $1 back]

3/26/2006 10:02:02 PM

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"1) Will Quick is not just a member, but also an apparent pawn of, his fraternity and of Greek life in general, something that is fundamentally offensive to many at NCSU and to all freedom-loving, decent human beings. 2) He has not, to the minds of many, adequately defended himself regarding various scandals in which he may have been involved -- the whole ticket issue, for one. 3) He has no demonstrated, strongly-rooted loyalty to NCSU. He is not from North Carolina. By the accounts I've heard, this school wasn't his first choice. His ties to this place are feeble at best. 4) He represents a lot of negative stereotypes about preppy, frattastic douchebags. 5) He's been an avid SG person for a while, which few view as a good thing. This plays into his apparent goal in life: getting elected to offices. I'm inherently leery of anybody who is desperate to win votes his whole fucking life, and it doesn't look like I'm the only one. 6) The prevailing idea, which could, I suppose, be false, is that his familiy has money. That, and the fact that he doesn't have to pay tuition, means that he can't really understand what it is to be a rank-and-file student. How can we expect him to be adequately angry about our financial burdens if he does not share them? That's to say nothing of the fact that, in general, nobody likes a rich asshole. 7) For a lot of people, the biggest problem is that he handled his loss to the Pirate Captain like a bitch. He's been fomenting resistance to him ever since he lost the first round of elections last year. There have been a lot of rumors to the effect that he used his SG buddies and other friends (the sort that only come with money) to try to subvert him in the school and even in the community. Even if those are false rumors, I haven't heard him trying to deny them."

You need to get laid ..... and not spend so much time talking shit over the internet. Maybe you wouldn't be so angry at people better than you. Even if Will Quick is a complete tool-bag, you lose all validity by spewing out shit like that.

You take this stupidity way too seriously.

[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 10:23 PM. Reason : .]

3/26/2006 10:22:06 PM

^I wouldn't mess with GrumpyGOP.

He told me this once

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"I have the option to shoot you in the face if I ever meet you."

He is both GOP so he obviously has a gun, and grumpy so willing to use it. I'm just saying becareful.

3/26/2006 10:30:23 PM

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"anyone aspiring to be President of an elitist embarassment of "representative" pseudo-government like the joke that is the UNC Association of Student Governments is, by definition, an ASG career politician. it's nothing against you personally, just a reality of the farce to which you've devoted your time..."

I can understand that and respect that opinion...hell, I kinda agree with it
I only decided to run after I found out who the oponent is (someone who's been in ASG for many years) and I just think I have a better chance and completely changing the organization...and I really don't want to pretend that asg is even pseudo-government, as I think our only job should be to distribute resources, and provide help when asked...and deliver a message on behalf of students (but more realistically the students who actually contact us)....this isn't about you, but others in SG right now--I really hate when people talk shit about asg and what we don't do for them, but never come to a meeting (when invited) or even email us to ask for things or for change...I hope I can change that, and if that makes me a politician then I can live with that for my final year in school

3/26/2006 10:39:05 PM

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"You need to get laid ..... and not spend so much time talking shit over the internet."

spoken by someone who obviously read through a good part of this thread

3/27/2006 1:31:31 AM

http://ncsuelectionfailure.ytmnd.com/

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 1:37 AM. Reason : ]

3/27/2006 1:37:16 AM

^^ nope, just the very first few posts.

3/27/2006 1:43:33 AM

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"You need to get laid ....."

I hope you forgive me for having to say that I abide by the rules of a religion that prohibits me from taking your advice.

Actually, I don't. I'll save my apologies for people whose opinions actually carry some weight with me, or who at least present some sort of counter-argument to whatever I say.

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"He is both GOP so he obviously has a gun, and grumpy so willing to use it."

Hehehehe

Since I've reached the required age I actually haven't had time to go through the motions to get a gun.

Still have my machete, though.

3/27/2006 2:03:27 AM

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"I hope you forgive me for having to say that I abide by the rules of a religion that prohibits me from taking your advice. "

If you were catholic, you'd have gotten laid by a priest by now and the pope would have sanctioned it.

3/27/2006 2:17:02 AM

Yeah.

Kinda glad I picked the route I did.

3/27/2006 2:28:36 AM

you picked Satan's route.

why are you so anti-pæderasty (Jesus)?

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 2:40 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 2:40 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2006 2:40:16 AM

^haha, i hate that ligature. it always annoys me b/c it's not even required to write latin correctly

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 2:56 AM. Reason : even Nabokov wasn't gay enough to use it]

3/27/2006 2:56:41 AM

ashe is the coolest letter ever created

you take it back.

3/27/2006 3:00:01 AM

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" The student government elections website vote.ncsu.edu was shut down just after 11pm on Sunday 3/26 due to an improper ballot submitted by the Elections Commission. Information on when the Spring elections will be rescheduled will be posted once it is available."

Maybe GrumpyGOP wont have to wait for a revolt, or I for a referendum removing student senate, since it seems they are well on the way to destroying themselves. They are breaking the rules in favor of part timers to get election results they prefer, and the administration seems to be unwilling to back down on a breaking of the rules. What’s the point in rescheduling?


Also grumpy pointed out how few days were left. But cody's campaign has moved him from underdog to well known as the other 2 and has been very active recently. With more time work, I think they've got a shot provided student government survives this election cycle.
http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 1:03 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2006 1:01:22 PM

Student Government didn't block the elections. Tom Stafford did.

I'm willing to hold off on the revolt until I hear specifically why.

3/27/2006 1:03:24 PM

I believe stafford/the administration said before hand that they wouldn't accept giving part timers the same election related benefits full timers/payers get, and that senate came out against not giving part timers full benefits.

I can only assume the improper ballat means that the stafford/the administration is standing behind what they said about no rule breaking earlier.

3/27/2006 1:08:52 PM

That's my understanding as well, but the whole situation is actually making me hate SG a tiny bit less. They're actually making a stand -- even it is a meaningless, ineffectual stand.

3/27/2006 1:10:59 PM

Correct...
Stafford originally said that per the SG Constitution, Part-time students cannot vote or run for office. He later rescended his statement about voting, and agreed to let part-time students vote, but not to run for office.

Tracy Hutcherson publicly withdrew from the race, but Elections Commission claimed they couldn't remove his name from the ballot because of statute rules. The other person that was being monitored was Scott Stephenson, who can't win anyway, because he won't be a student here at all next year.

Well, Elections Commission said they weren't backing down, and they would release the full ballot (part-time included).

Stafford stopped the voting server at 11pm last night, and I doubt he will budge. Obviously there are some deeper problems here, but that's the public face on the situation.

3/27/2006 1:12:33 PM

Its a stand. I'm not sure if they are right on the issue or not. But if they fail then it will prove again that they are ineffective. At their worst they reflect poorly on us, at their best they are ineffective. If they fail, and I dont see how they wont b/c the administration doesn't seem to want to back down on giving part timers full benefits, then they have no legs left to stand on. And if they push the issue far enough, then not having elections is a possiblity.

I think going a year without student government, and then a fresh start might be just what we need.

3/27/2006 1:15:04 PM

you'd think elections have never been held without computers before...

3/27/2006 1:18:07 PM

I was thinking the same thing today...

Didn't the last time only paper ballots were used only have approx. 600 students vote? Or was that a misfigure in my head...

3/27/2006 1:28:22 PM

^
6,000 maybe, but not 600. The only time turnout has been that low has been for one of the arbitrary "special elections" held at various inopportune points throughout history.

percent-wise (excluding TPC last year) turnout was routinely higher before everything went online

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ---]

3/27/2006 1:32:23 PM

ok, wow

3/27/2006 1:36:13 PM

I've never really understood it myself, because apparently it applies to "real world" elections as well where electronic voting has been tried for City Council and other races.

I hate paper ballots and love anything that makes voting more convenient -- why turnout would drop as a result is just weird...

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 1:42 PM. Reason : ---]

3/27/2006 1:41:47 PM

I think 6000 is way too high a number for paper ballots.. if i'm not mistaken the record turnout before last year was around 5000ish, and that was online..

if that's the case, I don't think it's possible that 6,000 paper ballots have been turned in before... but I've been wrong once or twice.. maybe.

3/27/2006 1:51:48 PM

^
oh I think it's too high also, I'm just saying if '6' was a number in lahyde's head, he needed to tack an extra -0- on the end b/c we haven't had turnout in the mid-hundreds for a regular election in at least a decade

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 2:07 PM. Reason : ---]

3/27/2006 2:06:51 PM

I think people should be e-mailing Vice Chancellor Tom Stafford thanking him for putting an end to this joke of a student government election, and encouraging him not to back down until they can behave more representatively and within the rules.
tom_stafford@ncsu.edu

3/27/2006 5:38:57 PM

set 'em up...

3/27/2006 5:39:29 PM