MSNBC News VIDEO CLIP: Police found "suspicious device" and believed explosive devices may have been planted in the WTC Buildings
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/051205foundbombs.htm

Quote :

"The report you're watching and hearing was filed by an MSNBC news anchor Rick Sanchez on the morning of September 11th 2001. [...] Sanchez states, ”Police have found what they believe to be a suspicious device and they fear that it may lead to another explosion." "I spoke with some police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me they have reason to believe that one of the explosion at the besides the ones made with the planes, may have been caused by a van that was parked on the building that may have had an explosive device in it.”"

3/31/2006 3:42:11 PM

A-3 Hit Pentagon, Not Boeing 757
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=89&contentid=2246

Quote :

"The cover story that a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 is being discredited by private contractors who say that Douglas A-3 Sky Warriors were retrofitted with missiles, remote control systems, transponders, and new navigation systems by secret military teams working at at Fort Collins - Loveland Municipal Airport, writes investigative journalist Tom Flocco, citing new information from defense contractor Karl Schwarz, CEO of a company that designs remote control aircraft for the U.S. Army. Schwarz told Flocco that witnesses to this retrofitting were afraid because of "suicides, car wrecks, mysterious deaths,directly related to the aviation experts working on the systems installed on the A-3’s." "There are about 150 retired and active U.S. military and federal intelligence officers who will come forward and testify regarding government involvement in the September 11 attacks -- but only if there is a serious criminal grand jury," Schwarz said. Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA) photos from the Pentagon show aircraft parts from a small jet similar to a modified A-3 Sky Warrior--not the American Airlines Boeing 757."

Witnesses link missile to small military jet parts found at Pentagon on 9/11
http://tomflocco.com/fs/WitnessesLink.htm

9-11 Pentagon Plane Identified? A3 SkyWarrior with missles
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307126.shtml

3/31/2006 3:42:52 PM

http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=19296

Quote :

" 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB : Everything else is a Distraction, The BRAINWASHING of the American people August 29, 2005 We are 2 weeks away from the 4 year anniversary of 9/11. And still NO one in the mainstream media as even addressed the TRUTH about that horrific day. It doesnt matter to them that it can be prooved that the buildings fell because of controlled demolition and not from the planes hitting the buildings. It doesnt matter that there are countless witnesses includeing WTC workers and FDNY and NYPD officials who heard the explosions and saw the bombs going off. There are countless US government and Officials from around the world who have come out and blown the whistle that it was an inside job. That certain factions of the US government helped and allowed it to happen. The tragedy of that day was used as a pretext to war, and to further the agenda of the global elite. The alternative media has EXPOSED it for what it really was. The US government cant even show any solid evidence to back up their wild conspiracy theory that it was 19 muslims from the caves of al queda. There is however "OPERATION NORTHWOODS" a US government plan to do the exact same thing with terrorists using box cutters, but that has been ignored. The Governments "proof" is a 571 page ommission of facts, and fabricated evidence. Not by an independent investigation, as that would have taken away valuable resources from the so called war on terror. But instead by a panel put together by the criminals in charge. A complete and utter whitewash. They have released none of the video camera's from the pentagon area. The only frames available to the public were leaked and clearly show NO boeing 757. The witnesses have all been silenced."

3/31/2006 3:43:28 PM

I KNOW THAT ARTICLE IS FAKE

THERE WAS NO AUGUST 29 IN 2005

3/31/2006 3:46:18 PM

Quote :

"Intelligent discussion on American TV and radio has now taken a back seat to a sort of childish one-upmanship. It’s no longer a question of who can thrust and parry their opponent into a corner through the use of beautiful English phrasing and logic; it’s now a question of who can belittle the other with snappy (but rude) one-liners. This has affected the mainstream population in its daily affairs, in that the ordinary people come to believe that this is the way to win an argument. Substance and logic all take a back seat to name-calling. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10254.htm"

Funny that I read this shortly after you spazzed out and posted this comment on like 6 or 7 threads.

3/31/2006 3:47:56 PM

PENTAGON ATTACK. EVIDENCE DOES NOT SUPPORT OFFICIAL STORY OR BOEING 757 HIT

The Pentagon attack is less clear than many other aspects about 9/11. It is hard to know what exactly happened, because the government is withholding almost all of the evidence related to the event. But, in my opinion, the evidence does not support the claim that a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon. The physical evidence I have seen in regards to the damage and wreckage at the Pentagon tends to not support the official story. The damage to the Pentagon is not consistent with a Boeing 757 hit and there was little to no identifiable wreckage of a 757 present. Additionally, Hani Hanjour, the supposed pilot that allegedly flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon, was actually a very poor pilot. There is no way he could even fly a Boeing 757, let alone fly it in the manner as claimed by the government, flying low to the ground and making sharp turns and a rapid decent. We know from mainstream sources that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon made a difficult manuever in the approach to the Pentagon that only a very experienced pilot could have made. One FAA official said he thought it was a "military plane" based on the manuever in the approach to the Pentagon.

Government confiscates surveillance tapes and release puzzling tape purporting to show the aircraft that hit the Pentagon

Shortly after the attack, government agents seized video surveillance tapes from a nearby gas station and hotel that captured whatever type of aircraft hit the Pentagon. These tapes have not been released. Why, and what are they hiding?

The tapes that the government released portions of a video tape purporting to show the aircraft that hit the Pentagon do not show anything resembling a Boeing 757, but show a much smaller aircraft. Here is that video tape:



Do you see a Boeing 757 in that tape? I sure don’t.

Also, notice that the stamp date on the tape is “Sep 12, 2001.” What does that mean? The government intentionally provided a bogus tape?


Pentagon Strike flash video: A good short analysis of the Pentagon attack
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Preloader

Official Pentagon Strike website:
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/


Finally, let me reiterate that I’m not stating that I know for sure exactly what it was that hit the Pentagon. All I’m saying is that based on the evidence, the official story does not seem plausible.


[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 4:29 PM. Reason : `````````]

3/31/2006 4:21:33 PM

http://www.rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

Quote :

"High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicates Depleted Uranium Used. By Greg Szymanski The Arctic Beacon 8-19-5 Two high profile radiation experts concur Pentagon strike involved use of a missile. Also Geiger counter readings right after the attack shows high levels of radiation 12 miles away from Pentagon crash site. A radiation expert and high-ranking Army Major, who once headed the military's depleted uranium project, both contend the Pentagon was hit by missile, not a commercial jetliner, adding high radiation readings after the strike indicate depleted uranium also may have been used. "I'm not an explosives or crash site expert, but I am highly knowledgeable in causes and effects related to nuclear radiation contamination. What happened at the Pentagon is highly suspicious, leading me to believe a missile with a depleted uranium warhead may have been used," said radiation expert Leuren Moret in a telephone conversation this week from her Berkeley, CA home. Moret, who has spent a life time working in the nuclear field, first as a staff scientist at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory in California, is now a member of The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP), a privately funded group studying the devastating effects of depleted uranium especially in Iraq and Afghanistan. Regarding the missile theory, it is also backed up by retired Army Maj. Doug Rokke, a PhD educational physics and former top military expert banished from the Pentagon after the military failed to follow regulations regarding the use, clean up and medical treatment regarding the use of depleted uranium. "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile," said Maj. Rokke from his Rantoul, IL home this week. "And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile. Also, if you look at the WTC and the disturbing flash hitting the tower right before the impact of the airplane, it also looks like a missile was used.""

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2006 4:23:38 PM

Hani Hanjour: A Poor Pilot who could not have possibly flown a Boeing 757 as the government claims

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20A11FD35550C778CDDAC0894DA404482

Quote :

"A Trainee Noted for Incompetence By JIM YARDLEY (NYT) ABSTRACT - Hani Hanjour, who investigators contend piloted airliner that crashed into Pentagon on Sept 11, was reported to Federal Aviation Administration in Feb 2001 after instructors at Pan Am International Flight Academy in Phoenix found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine;"

cached: http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/deceptions/nyt_hanjour1.html

Quote :

"A Trainee Noted for Incompetence May 4, 2002 By JIM YARDLEY ... Ms. Ladner said the Phoenix staff never suspected that Mr. Hanjour was a hijacker but feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner. ... Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all.""

Hani Hanjour: 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html

3/31/2006 4:24:36 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14365-2001Sep11¬Found=true

Quote :

"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said. ...Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious."

"Flight 77" maneuverability like military plane
http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/pentagon/flight-77-maneuverability-like-military-plane.txt

Quote :

""The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe.""

So, are we to believe that Hanjour, who we know was a poor pilot and lacked the skills to even have a pilot's license, flew a Boeing 757 "with extraordinary skill" reminding aviation sources of a "fighter jet maneuver"?


Former Vietnam Combat and Commercial Pilot Firm Believer 9/11 Was Inside Government Job
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623

Quote :

"Knowing the flight characteristics of the “big birds” like the back of his hand, Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77could have “descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon’s first floor wall without touching the lawn.” Wittenberg claimed the high speed maneuver would have surely stalled the jetliner sending it into a nose dive, adding it was “totally impossible for an amateur who couldn’t even fly a Cessna to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner, something Wittenberg said he couldn’t do with 35 years of commercial jetliner experience. “For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible – there is not one chance in a thousand,” said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727’s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737’s through 767’s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying. “I had to be trained to use the new, computerized systems. I just couldn’t jump in and fly one,” he added. Finding more inconsistencies with the government story about Flight 77, Wittenberg recalled the recent statements made by a flight controller on an ABC 20/20 television program three months ago. “If you listened to her carefully only an experienced pilot probably would have known that what she was saying was scripted,” said Wittenberg. “Remember the transponder was turned off on Flight 77 and when this occurs, all the particular flight data like air speed and even the plane’s flight identification goes with it. “All that’s left on the controller’s screen is a green blip, that’s it. But here you have this flight controller on 20/20 saying she was tracking the flight with specific air speed and other coordinates which was totally impossible once the transponder was turned off. How would she even have known the flight number? The whole story is a pack of lies and this is just another example.""

3/31/2006 4:24:42 PM

http://prisonplanet.com/Pages/Jul05/120705wtc_blast.html

Quote :

"Second WTC Janitor Comes Forward With Eye-Witness Testimony Of 'Bomb-Like' Explosion in North Tower Basement Greg Szymanski | July 12 2005 A second WTC maintenance worker has now come forward with eye-witness testimony that a massive explosion erupted in the lower levels of the north tower at approximately the same time the jetliner struck the tower’s top floors. Jose Sanchez, 45, of New Jersey in a never-released tape recorded statement made in early 2002 to William Rodriguez, the first WTC maintenance man to claim a bomb exploded in the north tower basement, said he heard what sounded like a “huge bomb,” causing lights to flicker on and off, while he worked in a small sub-level 4 workshop."

3/31/2006 4:25:11 PM

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/0705/23natmckinney.html

Quote :

"McKinney reopens 9/11 Conspiracy theories implicating president aired at 8-hour hearing By BOB KEMPER The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 07/23/05 Washington — Revisiting the issue that helped spur her ouster from Congress three years ago, Rep. Cynthia Mc­Kinney led a Capitol Hill hearing Friday on whether the Bush administration was involved in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The eight-hour hearing, timed to mark the first anniversary of the release of the Sept. 11 commission's report on the attacks, drew dozens of contrarians and conspiracy theorists who suggest President Bush purposely ignored warnings or may even have had a hand in the attack — claims participants said the commission ignored. The commission's report was not a rush to judgment, it was a rush to exoneration," said John Judge, a member of Mc­Kinney's staff and a representative of a Web site dedicated to raising questions about the Sept. 11 commission's report. The White House and the commission have dismissed such questions as unfounded conspiracy theories."

These people are just whacko "conspiracy theorists." Why? Cause Bush and the media said so. Nothing to see here.

3/31/2006 4:25:51 PM

More on Hani Hanjour and the official story on the Pentagon attack:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml

Quote :

"FAA Was Alerted To Sept. 11 Hijacker (CBS) Months before Hani Hanjour is believed to have flown an American Airlines jet into the Pentagon, managers at an Arizona flight school reported him at least five times to the FAA, reports CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales. They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad, they told the Associated Press, they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license. "I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had," said Peggy Chevrette, the manager for the now-defunct JetTech flight school in Phoenix."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52408,00.html

Quote :

"FAA Probed, Cleared Sept. 11 Hijacker in Early 2001 ...Chevrette, the flight school manager, said she told Anthony she believed Hanjour could not write or speak English fluently as required to get a U.S. commercial pilot's license. ...Chevrette said she contacted Anthony twice more when Hanjour began ground training for Boeing 737 jetliners and it became clear he didn't have the skills for the commercial pilot's license. "I don't truly believe he should have had it and I questioned that. I questioned that all along," she said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14365-2001Sep11¬Found=true

Quote :

"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said. ...Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious."

"Flight 77" maneuverability like military plane
http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/pentagon/flight-77-maneuverability-like-military-plane.txt

Quote :

""The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe.""

So, are we to believe that Hanjour, who we know was a poor pilot and lacked the skills to even have a pilot's license, flew a Boeing 757 "with extraordinary skill" reminding aviation sources of a "fighter jet maneuver"?


Former Vietnam Combat and Commercial Pilot Does Not Believe Official Story on Pentagon Attack
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623

Quote :

"Knowing the flight characteristics of the “big birds” like the back of his hand, Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77could have “descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon’s first floor wall without touching the lawn.” Wittenberg claimed the high speed maneuver would have surely stalled the jetliner sending it into a nose dive, adding it was “totally impossible for an amateur who couldn’t even fly a Cessna to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner, something Wittenberg said he couldn’t do with 35 years of commercial jetliner experience. “For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible – there is not one chance in a thousand,” said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727’s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737’s through 767’s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying. “I had to be trained to use the new, computerized systems. I just couldn’t jump in and fly one,” he added. Finding more inconsistencies with the government story about Flight 77, Wittenberg recalled the recent statements made by a flight controller on an ABC 20/20 television program three months ago. “If you listened to her carefully only an experienced pilot probably would have known that what she was saying was scripted,” said Wittenberg. “Remember the transponder was turned off on Flight 77 and when this occurs, all the particular flight data like air speed and even the plane’s flight identification goes with it. “All that’s left on the controller’s screen is a green blip, that’s it. But here you have this flight controller on 20/20 saying she was tracking the flight with specific air speed and other coordinates which was totally impossible once the transponder was turned off. How would she even have known the flight number? The whole story is a pack of lies and this is just another example.""

3/31/2006 4:26:31 PM

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/27302.htm

Quote :

"Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'Inside Job' Highly recognized former chief economist in Labor Department now doubts official 9/11 story, claiming suspicious facts and evidence cover-up indicate government foul play and possible criminal implications. June 12, 2005 By Greg Szymanski A former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush's first term now believes the official story about the collapse of the WTC is 'bogus,' saying it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. "If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling," said Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D, a former member of the Bush team who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX. Reynolds, now a professor emeritus at Texas A&M University, also believes it's 'next to impossible' that 19 Arab Terrorists alone outfoxed the mighty U.S. military, adding the scientific conclusions about the WTC collapse may hold the key to the entire mysterious plot behind 9/11. "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7," said Reynolds this week from his offices at Texas A&M. "If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

3/31/2006 4:30:46 PM

Quote :

"Missile Hit Pentagon "

That may sound crazy to some people, but what if someone like Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said the same thing?


http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html

Quote :

"They [find a lot] and any number of terrorist efforts have been dissuaded, deterred or stopped by good intelligence gathering and good preventive work. It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them. --Donald Rumsfeld, Oct. 12, 2001, Interview with Parade Magazine"

(see second paragraph of answer to second question at above link for above quote)

And, again, I'm not saying that it is conclusive that a missile was what hit the Pentagon. I don't know what hit the Pentagon. It is difficult to determine what exactly hit the Pentagon because the government is hiding the evidence.

3/31/2006 4:49:00 PM

Quote :

"salisburyboy All American 7719 Posts user info edit post http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20A11FD35550C778CDDAC0894DA404482 Quote : "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence By JIM YARDLEY (NYT) ABSTRACT - Hani Hanjour, who investigators contend piloted airliner that crashed into Pentagon on Sept 11, was reported to Federal Aviation Administration in Feb 2001 after instructors at Pan Am International Flight Academy in Phoenix found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine;" cached: http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/deceptions/nyt_hanjour1.html Quote : "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence May 4, 2002 By JIM YARDLEY ... Ms. Ladner said the Phoenix staff never suspected that Mr. Hanjour was a hijacker but feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner. ... Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all."" Hani Hanjour: 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html 8/19/2005 12:07:26 PM"

and

Quote :

"salisburyboy All American 7721 Posts user info edit post Hani Hanjour: A Poor Pilot who could not have possibly flown a Boeing 757 as the government claims http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20A11FD35550C778CDDAC0894DA404482 Quote : "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence By JIM YARDLEY (NYT) ABSTRACT - Hani Hanjour, who investigators contend piloted airliner that crashed into Pentagon on Sept 11, was reported to Federal Aviation Administration in Feb 2001 after instructors at Pan Am International Flight Academy in Phoenix found his piloting skills so shoddy and his grasp of English so inadequate that they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine;" cached: http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/deceptions/nyt_hanjour1.html Quote : "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence May 4, 2002 By JIM YARDLEY ... Ms. Ladner said the Phoenix staff never suspected that Mr. Hanjour was a hijacker but feared that his skills were so weak that he could pose a safety hazard if he flew a commercial airliner. ... Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all."" Hani Hanjour: 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html 3/31/2006 4:24:36 PM"

THANKS DUKE

3/31/2006 6:17:16 PM

so 4 pages of strictly cut and paste with continuous posting within 30 minutes of the previous. sounds like someone is breakin the rules to me.

3/31/2006 6:21:07 PM

Quote :

"people know this guy IRL this is him this is not trolling apparently he's really this crazy/racist "

Woodfoot a better repsonse would have been something along the lines of:

Salisbury boy is a troll, it is a 100% proven verifiable fact.

3/31/2006 11:09:20 PM

wow. just..... wow.

I dont care what Tom Cruise says, psychiatric drugs are necessary.

4/1/2006 3:21:06 AM

Quote :

"o 4 pages of strictly cut and paste with continuous posting within 30 minutes of the previous. sounds like someone is breakin the rules to me."

exactly

HALFWAY THROUGH PAGE 2 I ASKED FOR 20 SENTENCES THAT HE HAD WRITTEN RATHER THAN COPIED

HE WAS UNABLE TO PROVIDE THIS

SO I COUNTED UP TO THE POINT WHERE I MADE THE REQUEST

AT MY NICEST COUNT I FOUND 15

THIS GUY DOES NOT DISCUSS

HE DISTRIBUTES

AND HE'S DISTRIBUTING PRODUCT NOBODY WANTS

HE IS LITTERING

IF HE HAS SUCH GROUNDBREAKING INFORMATION
WHY IS HIS ONLY MEDIUM A FUCKING COLLEGE MESSAGE BOARD

4/1/2006 5:02:16 AM

Quote :

"so 4 pages of strictly cut and paste with continuous posting within 30 minutes of the previous. sounds like someone is breakin the rules to me."

I've broken no rule. I never posted consecutive posts within 30 minutes in this thread. JonHGuth, on the other hand, broke that rule. See the top of this page of the thread where he triple posted within 2 minutes. Now, are you gonna call out JonHGuth, or campaign like a little bitch for his suspension? I suspect not. No, you're gonna accuse me of doing something wrong when I did nothing wrong, and ignore it when others actually break the rules.

You are once again grasping at straws to try to accuse me of something. You're pathetic.

Quote :

"I dont care what Tom Cruise says, psychiatric drugs are necessary"

Newflash...the desperate smear campaign against those questioning the "official" 9/11 story, and trying to label them as "crackpots", etc. is NOT working. The evidence is on our side. Those who don't believe the government's story are now on the verge (or already) in the majority.

And, as I've said before, childish name-calling brings nothing of substance to this discussion.

Can you not debate this issue in a rational and logical manner? Can anyone here who supports the "official" story on 9/11 argue their case using logic and address the actual facts and evidence? Or are insults, name-calling, and spamming the thread to try to distract from the evidence the only "arguments" (or, rather, tactics) you've got?

If anyone wishes to argue in favor of the "official" 9/11 story using substance and logic, will someone please address the following issues:

1. Explain how WTC Building 7 was not brought down in a controlled demoltion.
2. Explain how the twin towers collapsed due to the "pancake" theory as the government claims, despite the mountain of evidence supporting that there were explosives in the twin towers and the fact that they both fell at virtual free-fall speed.
3. Explain how some of the alleged bin Laden video tapes the government used to "prove" bin Laden's guilt are not obvious fakes.
4. Explain why the fact that the U.S. Government was planning to invade Afghanistan months before the 9/11 attacks is not significant.
5. Explain how the fact that several of the supposed “hijackers” were later found to be alive after 9/11 is not significant.

...and many of the other issues showing the absurdity of the "official" story.

Quote :

"HALFWAY THROUGH PAGE 2 I ASKED FOR 20 SENTENCES THAT HE HAD WRITTEN RATHER THAN COPIED HE WAS UNABLE TO PROVIDE THIS THIS GUY DOES NOT DISCUSS"

I will discuss the issues and facts related to 9/11. I do not want to waste my time responding to silly questions that distract from the main issue of the thread.

Now, if you want to discuss the facts, evidence, and substantive issues related to 9/11 in a rational way, I'm more than willing to engage in that discussion.

My opponents here are the ones who refuse to engage in a rational discussion. Virtually no one has tried to dispute the facts and evidence I have presented. Most just want to hurl insults or attempt to spam the thread with irrelevant pictures and text in the attempt to try to distract from the evidence I am presenting and mess up the thread.

Quote :

"WHY IS HIS ONLY MEDIUM A FUCKING COLLEGE MESSAGE BOARD"

How do you know this is the only medium where I'm discussing these issues. YOU DON'T, AND YOU'RE WRONG.


[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 2:01 PM. Reason : `````````]

4/1/2006 1:46:29 PM

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"YOU DON'T, AND YOU'RE WRONG"

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"YOU DON'T, AND YOU'RE WRONG"

4/1/2006 2:15:43 PM

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"fell at virtual free-fall speed."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - I tell you what, just keep distributing information, because when you make your own questions, you sound like a fucking moron

4/1/2006 2:24:42 PM

SUPPOSED CRASH OF FLIGHT 93 IN PENNSYLVANIA

The official story on Flight 93 is that it "crashed" (and was not shot down) in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. There are problems with this claim as well, and many questions that need to be answered. Evidence indicates that Flight 93 may have been shot down. It is also questionable whether what crashed in Shanksville was really a commercial airliner, because the supposed crash site does not have debri and wreckage consistent with a commercial airliner crash, and was essentially just a hole in the ground.


Debri from Flight 93 found miles away from main crash site
http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

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"...focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine. Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene."

Eyewitnesses hear "booms" before the aircraft went down
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

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"Some witnesses reported that the plane was flying upside down for a time before the crash; others said they heard up to three loud booms before the jetliner went down."

Eyewitnesses see military plane flying near Flight 93 when it crashed
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30682

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"Was United Flight 93 shot down on Sept. 11? January 25, 2003 © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Echoing reports made immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, several eyewitnesses claim in a report by London's Daily Mirror that they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed in rural Pennsylvania -- prompting the unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane."

Many local residents of Shanksville believe Flight 93 was shot down; eyewitnesses see no evidence of plane wreckage at crash site
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_mysteries.html

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"American Free Press visited Somerset County to look into some of the questions surrounding United Airlines Flight 93, which allegedly turned over and crashed in a refilled strip mine between Lambertsville and Shanksville, Pa., taking 44 lives with it. Many local residents believe the plane was shot down, which they say would explain why parts of the plane and its contents were found strewn over a large area. One question, “is what happened to the physical wreckage of the plane?” “There was no plane,” Ernie Stull, mayor of Shanksville, told German television in March 2003: [...] “They had been sent here because of a crash, but there was no plane?” the reporter asked. “No. Nothing. Only this hole.” When AFP asked Stull about his comments, he disagreed about when he had gone to the crash site. “A day or two later,” Stull said, was about when he went to the site. But he reiterated the fact that they saw little evidence of a plane crash. Nena Lensbouer, who had prepared lunch for the workers at the scrap yard overlooking the crash site, was the first person to go up to the smoking crater. Lensbouer told AFP that the hole was five to six feet deep and smaller than the 24-foot trailer in her front yard. She described hearing “an explosion, like an atomic bomb”—not a crash. Lensbouer called 911 and stayed on the line as she ran across the reclaimed land of the former strip mine to within 15 feet of the smoking crater. Lensbouer told AFP that she did not see any evidence of a plane then or at any time during the excavation at the site, an effort that reportedly recovered 95 percent of the plane and 10 percent of the human remains."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

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"Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane 'shot down' in Pennsylvania December 27, 2004 © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington landmarks and population centers. Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy of the terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000? Here's what Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be." Several eyewitnesses to the crash claim they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed – prompting the once-unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane."

As with the Pentagon attack, I'm not saying I know what exactly happened in the case of the aircraft that crashed over Shanksville, Pennsylvania. But I'm saying that the "official" story is problematic, and there are many questions that need to be answered.

4/1/2006 3:10:35 PM

U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WAS RUNNING DRILL OF PLANE CRASHING INTO GOVERNMENT BUILDING ON THE MORNING OF SEPTEMBER 11TH. THIS AND OTHER SIMILAR DRILLS IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO 9/11 PROVIDED THE OPERATIONAL COVER FOR THE REAL ATTACKS TO OCCUR


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-08-22-sept-11-plane-drill-_x.htm

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"Federal agency planned plane-crashing-into-building drill ... last Sept. 11 Associated Press August 22, 2002 WASHINGTON (AP) — In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism — it was to be a simulated accident."

A "bizarre coincidence"? Suuuure it was.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm

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"Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11 Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson September 20 2004 For almost three years since 9/11 independent researchers have stockpiled individual smoking guns which prove that the official version of events was not only a lie but operationally impossible. However, no single smoking gun has yet been forwarded to explain why air defenses categorically reversed Standard Operating Procedure and failed to respond to hijacked jetliners. Until now. More and more individuals are looking at the facts and highlighting exercise drills that took place on the morning of 9/11. It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed."

Also, the Pentagon ran a drill about a year before 9/11 of a plane crashing into the Pentagon:

Pentagon runs drill of passenger aircraft crashing into Pentagon in October 2000
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html

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"Contingency planning Pentagon MASCAL exercise simulates scenarios in preparing for emergencies Washington, D.C., Nov. 3, 2000 — The fire and smoke from the downed passenger aircraft billows from the Pentagon courtyard. Defense Protective Services Police seal the crash sight. Army medics, nurses and doctors scramble to organize aid. An Arlington Fire Department chief dispatches his equipment to the affected areas. Don Abbott, of Command Emergency Response Training, walks over to the Pentagon and extinguishes the flames. The Pentagon was a model and the "plane crash" was a simulated one. The Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise, as the crash was called, was just one of several scenarios that emergency response teams were exposed to Oct. 24-26 in the Office of the Secretaries of Defense conference room."

And I want to correct a mistake I made earlier.

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"And the day of 9/11, the government was running drills of jetliners crashing into the Pentagon."

As I detailed above, the day of 9/11 a U.S. intelligence agency was running a drill of a plane crashing into one of it's buildings. The drill of a passenger aircraft crashing into the Pentagon was run about a year before 9/11.


[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ```]

4/1/2006 3:56:05 PM

just to make sure everyone knows, many of his posts are verbatim from his first thread

the thread that hit 40 pages... the thread that actually had some real discussion and debate

and my posts are real, he has convinced me. also, my posts were prepared in advance

4/1/2006 4:17:28 PM

Man, this thread is nowhere as fun as the original. Where are the badly edited pictures?

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"And this is not enough for you who want to censor me?"

"censor" implies that in some way we care about the stuff you post or wish to stop you because in any way we believe you to be correct. I assure you that's not the case. Mostly I think we just want you to shut the fuck up.

4/1/2006 6:14:25 PM

This image shows the topography of the WTC complex after the attacks. Notice the large hole in the ground where WTC 6 is located. The center part of WTC 6 collapsed. The mysterious explosion in the clip below is likely what caused this large crater in the center of WTC 6.

Note: Tower #1 is the north tower and Tower #2 is the south tower.

4/1/2006 6:19:24 PM

GO AHEAD AND TELL US ABOUT THE ZIONISTS

YOU'VE CONVINCED US THAT 9/11 WAS REALLY A HOAX

NOW TELL US ALL ABOUT THE ZIONISTS

THEY'RE EDOMITES AREN'T THEY?

4/1/2006 7:11:06 PM

on the film: http://www.infowars.com/tyranny.htm

"THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS WHITEWASHING AND LYING ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT. 11 911: THE ROAD TO TYRANNY IS SHAKING THE FOUNDATIONS OF WASHINGTON DC AS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AND REVEALING DOCUMENTARY FILM COVERING WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT. 11 AND WHO STANDS TO GAIN."

Watch Alex Jones' film 9/11: The Road to Tyranny. The entire film can be downloaded and watched here:


------>http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/the_road_to_tyranny__34kbps_.rm

4/1/2006 10:25:06 PM

Here we go...

SO-CALLED 'HIJACKERS' ARE STILL ALIVE

Hijack 'suspect' alive in Morocco
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1558669.stm

Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

Father insists alleged leader is still alive
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/oneyearon/story/0,12361,784541,00.html

Revealed: the men with stolen identities
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml

FLIGHT 93 WAS SHOT DOWN OVER PENNSYLVANIA

Eyewitness hears explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane:
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

Debri found miles away from main crash site:
http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

Eyewitnesses see military plane flying near Flight 93 when it crashed:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30682

Rumsfeld says 9/11 plane 'shot down' over Pennsylvania:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

US WAS PLANNING TO ATTACK AFGHANISTAN PRIOR TO 9/11

US 'planned attack on Taleban'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

US planned to hit bin Laden ahead of September 11
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/08/05/walq05.xml

WTC BUILDING 7 WAS BROUGHT DOWN IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

WTC Complex Leaseholder Larry Silverstein admits in PBS documentary that WTC 7 was brought down in controlled demolition:

1 minute video clip: http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

Watch demolition charges going off at the top right of WTC 7 in the following video clip[/b]:

http://infowars.com/Video/911/WTC7COLLAPSE2.WMV

Just getting started...got a whole lot more

4/1/2006 10:26:45 PM

i can tell you've been really looking hard for this information

4/1/2006 11:34:50 PM

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"my posts were prepared in advance"

4/2/2006 1:33:06 AM

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"consider this thread an open challenge to any who dare to dispute these facts"

Does anyone here who still supports the "official" government conspiracy theory on 9/11 wish to argue in favor of the "official" story using logic and reason? Does anyone wish to dispute the evidence I have presented supporting the fact that the "official" story is ridiculous and full of holes?

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"If anyone wishes to argue in favor of the "official" 9/11 story using substance and logic, will someone please address the following issues: 1. Explain how WTC Building 7 was not brought down in a controlled demoltion. 2. Explain how the twin towers collapsed due to the "pancake" theory as the government claims, despite the mountain of evidence supporting that there were explosives in the twin towers and the fact that they both fell at virtual free-fall speed. 3. Explain how some of the alleged bin Laden video tapes the government used to "prove" bin Laden's guilt are not obvious fakes. 4. Explain why the fact that the U.S. Government was planning to invade Afghanistan months before the 9/11 attacks is not significant. 5. Explain how the fact that several of the supposed “hijackers” were later found to be alive after 9/11 is not significant. ...and many of the other issues showing the absurdity of the "official" story. "

[Edited on April 3, 2006 at 8:49 AM. Reason : ````]

4/3/2006 8:43:01 AM

you are the one making the nutjob CLAIMS here.

you need to present evidence, of which you have brought none so far. hearsay and the musings of crackpots does not equal evidence.

4/3/2006 9:21:17 AM

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"you are the one making the nutjob CLAIMS here"

Smearing my arguments with labels like "nutjob" does not refute the argument. And when the only thing you can do in response to my argument is use childish name-calling and other smear tactics, it only gives credence to my argument.

You are clearly placing the burden of proof on me (and other skeptics of the government's "official" conspiracy theory) in this case. Why not place the burden of proof on the government? The government has been caught lying to us over and over and over again. Should the government not have to prove that they are not lying again? Why do you just trust the government, and place the burden of proof on those questioning the government's story?

Why not just take a look at the evidence and come to a rational conclusion? Or would you rather just blindly trust the government, and ignore any arguments or evidence that dispute and disprove the government's claims?

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"you need to present evidence, of which you have brought none so far"

I HAVE presented evidence. I've presented a HUGE amount of evidence showing the many lies and problems with the official story. I've posted literally dozens of mainstream articles, video clips, and other evidence. It is an absolute joke to say that I have presented no evidence. Why are you denying that I've presented this evidence? You can deny the truth till eternity, but it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

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"hearsay and the musings of crackpots does not equal evidence"

Oh, like all those "mainstream" news articles? Or the video clips of firefighters and eyewitnesses describing explosions in the towers? Or the videos and photographs showing demolition charges going off in the towers and WTC building 7?

Calling this evidence and these sources "crackpot" is a desperate attempt to smear the evidence. It's not going to work.

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"Some people will continue to deny the truth to their deathbeds even if it is right in front of their face. But even if you deny it now, more than likely you will have to acknowledge it later because the evidence is overwhelming. And if you continue to deny the obvious, you do not matter. The future is for those who have the courage to acknowledge and face the truth. The choice is yours."

[Edited on April 3, 2006 at 9:51 AM. Reason : `````]

4/3/2006 9:44:56 AM

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4/3/2006 9:51:22 AM

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"Some people will continue to claim absurdities. Insecurities, fear and boredom will force them to create fantasies about Zionist plots and the government sanctioned murder of 3,000 Americans. If these people continue to deny the truth - that extremist muslims perpetrated 9/11- then you do not matter. Please have the sanity to see through conspiracy thoeries. The choice is yours. "

4/3/2006 9:55:31 AM

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"fantasies about Zionist plots"

It's not "fantasy." It's publicly documented FACT:

ZIONIST POWER OVER U.S. GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA CONFIRMED BY RENOWNED AMERICAN SCHOLARS

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060320-124726-1902r

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"Pro-Israel lobby in U.S. under attack WASHINGTON, March 20 (UPI) -- Two of America's top scholars have published a searing attack on the role and power of Washington's pro-Israel lobby in a British journal, warning that its "decisive" role in fomenting the Iraq war is now being repeated with the threat of action against Iran. And they say that the Lobby is so strong that they doubt their article would be accepted in any U.S.-based publication. Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, author of "The Tragedy of Great Power Politics" and Professor Stephen Walt of Harvard's Kenney School, and author of "Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy," are leading figures American in academic life. They claim that the Israel lobby has distorted American policy and operates against American interests, that it has organized the funneling of more than $140 billion dollars to Israel and "has a stranglehold" on the U.S. Congress, and its ability to raise large campaign funds gives its vast influence over Republican and Democratic administrations, while its role in Washington think tanks on the Middle East dominates the policy debate. And they say that the Lobby works ruthlessly to suppress questioning of its role, to blacken its critics and to crush serious debate about the wisdom of supporting Israel in U.S. public life. "Silencing skeptics by organizing blacklists and boycotts -- or by suggesting that critics are anti-Semites -- violates the principle of open debate on which democracy depends," Walt and Mearsheimer write. "The inability of Congress to conduct a genuine debate on these important issues paralyses the entire process of democratic deliberation. Israel's backers should be free to make their case and to challenge those who disagree with them, but efforts to stifle debate by intimidation must be roundly condemned," they add, in the 12,800-word article published in the latest issue of The London Review of Books. The article focuses strongly on the role of the "neo-conservatives" within the Bush administration in driving the decision to launch the war on Iraq. "The main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the Likud," Mearsheimer and Walt argue." Given the neo-conservatives' devotion to Israel, their obsession with Iraq, and their influence in the Bush administration, it isn't surprising that many Americans suspected that the war was designed to further Israeli interests." "The neo-conservatives had been determined to topple Saddam even before Bush became president. They caused a stir early in 1998 by publishing two open letters to Clinton, calling for Saddam's removal from power. The signatories, many of whom had close ties to pro-Israel groups like JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) or WINEP (Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy), and who included Elliot Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Bernard Lewis, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, had little trouble persuading the Clinton administration to adopt the general goal of ousting Saddam. But they were unable to sell a war to achieve that objective. They were no more able to generate enthusiasm for invading Iraq in the early months of the Bush administration. They needed help to achieve their aim. That help arrived with 9/11. Specifically, the events of that day led Bush and Cheney to reverse course and become strong proponents of a preventive war," Walt and Mearsheimer write. The article, which is already stirring furious debate in U.S. academic and intellectual circles, also explores the historical role of the Lobby. "For the past several decades, and especially since the Six-Day War in 1967, the centerpiece of US Middle Eastern policy has been its relationship with Israel," the article says."

The "Israeli Lobby" has a "stranglehold on Congress" and "vast influence over Republican and Democratic administrations"? Fanatical pro-Israel Jewish neo-conservatives were the "driving force" behind the Iraq War? They work "ruthlessly" to suppress criticism and debate of Zionist/Israeli influence, including smearing critics with charges of "anti-Semitism"? And they have power over the press as to prevent publication of this article (and other similar criticism)?

I guess those "anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists" who allege powerful Zionist influence on our government and media may be RIGHT after all!


Full paper, "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" from London Review of Books website:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

Link to paper in pdf format from Harvard's website:
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011


PNAC AND THE PUBLICALLY STATED U.S. POLICY OF WAGING WAR FOR CONTROL OF MIDDLE EAST AND CENTRAL ASIAN OIL RESOURCES

And notice that a battle plan for Afghanistan was being reviewed by the US Command 4 MONTHS before the 9/11 attacks:

Sydney Morning Herald: "Defence redefined means securing cheap energy"
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/25/1040511092926.html

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"December 26 2002 [...] As far back as 1975, Henry Kissinger, then secretary of state, said America was prepared to wage war over oil. Separate plans advocating US conquest of Saudi oilfields were published in the '70s. So it should come as little surprise that in May last year - four months before the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York - a battle plan for Afghanistan was already being reviewed by the US Command that would carry it out after September 11. Military strategists were highlighting the energy wealth of the Caspian Sea and Central Asia and its importance to America's "security"."

The Zionists, Israelis, and neo-con warhawks with enormous influence over our government are using the U.S. military to fight wars that advance their agenda of global domination and control. Think that global domination is not their goal? The neo-con think tank "The Project for the New American Century" admits this:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm

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"Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

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"As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests? [...] America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership."

Hmmmm. We need to "shape circumstances" in the Middle East and Asia to be favorable to American interests in order for "American global leadership." All of this is for good purposes, of course. It's for "peace" and "security" and good stuff like that. Just like the Iraq war was "for peace" and "for our security." "Freedom is on the march." They're not lying. Really. And yes, technically it is American global domination. But don't call it that. Just call it "global leadership."

4/3/2006 10:45:26 AM

hang on....im a scholar....im a college grad with three degrees and a masters...and i say there is no Zionist plot....and i have done extremely extensive research....

so theres no zionist plot....this is a public forum...so there ya go my friend...we now have a publicly documented fact made by a US scholar

4/3/2006 10:48:14 AM

Even casual observers can see that it is the Zionists, neo-cons, and Israel who primarily pushed for the war in Iraq. And they are now pushing for war against Iran. They were pushing for these wars for a long time, but needed a necessary “crisis” in order to provide the pretext for such action. The PNAC document titled Rebuilding America’s Defences: Strategy, Forces and Resrouces For a New Century (published in September 2000) acknowledged this when it stated that a “catastrophic and catalyzing event–like a new Pearl Harbor” was needed:

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"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor. --Rebuilding America’s Defences: Strategy, Forces and Resrouces For a New Century, page 51 http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf"

(see top of page 51 of pdf document above...page 63 of 90 in display):

They got their "catastrophic and catalyzing event" just a year later on September 11th, 2001. Coincidence?

4/3/2006 10:50:43 AM

and the Zionists are EDOMITES!

SAY IT!

4/3/2006 11:07:09 AM

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"Please have the sanity to see through conspiracy thoeries."

"CONSPIRACY THEORY" LABEL AND OTHER SMEAR TACTICS

"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."

-- GW Bush speaking before the UN General Assembly 11/10/2001

video of comment here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wackyconspiracy.html


Let's go back and see where this term "conspiracy theorist" originated...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/US/JFK_poll_031116.html

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"Legacy of Suspicion: Decades After, Few Accept the Official Explanation for JFK Assassination By Gary Langer Nov. 16— Forty years later, suspicions of a conspiracy endure: Seven in 10 Americans think the assassination of John F. Kennedy was the result of a plot, not the act of a lone killer — and a bare majority thinks that plot included a second shooter on Dealey Plaza. [...] Just 32 percent accept the Warren Commission's 1964 finding that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone when he shot Kennedy as his motorcade passed through downtown Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Fifty-one percent think there was a second gunman, and seven percent go so far as to think Oswald wasn't involved at all. Sixty-eight percent of Americans also think there was "an official cover-up" to hide the truth about the assassination from the public. And about as many, 65 percent, think that "important unanswered questions" remain, four decades after Kennedy's death."

So, around 70% of Americans do not believe the official government story on the JFK assassination, and believe Oswald did not act alone and that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy? OMG! That means 3/4 of Americans are "conspiracy theorists"!

So, remember, if you don't believe the magic bullet theory and the Warren Commission Report, then you're a "lunatic conspiracy theorist." Wow, these "conspiracy theorists" really are "nutjobs"!

4/3/2006 11:11:10 AM

MITRE: The 9/11 trojan horse?
http://www.libertythink.com/2005/04/mitre-911-trojan-horse.html

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"Monday, April 04, 2005 American Free Press / Christopher Bollyn Did a central controller with "super user" privileges of the command and control systems of the Department of Defense, NORAD, the Air Force, and the FAA, control the aerial attacks of 9/11? There is only one agency that has that capability ? a little-known private company known as MITRE Corp.[...] A host of unofficial explanations, based on available evidence, [indicates] that agents embedded within the U.S. military and intelligence organizations conspired to carry out the terror attacks. "

How Mossad Deceived the U.S. Military on 9/11
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=68484

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"by Christopher Bollyn Mossad, Israel's military intelligence agency, infiltrated the most sensitive computer networks in the United States through a little start-up company known as Ptech, in Quincy, Massachusetts. Most notably, it was this infiltration that allowed the events of September 11, 2001 to occur. If the crimes of 9/11 had been properly investigated, these people would have been investigated and booked long ago. The Mossad connection is obvious; read on: In order to facilitate the computer network penetration, Mossad set up a IT consultancy and software provider named Ptech using Lebanese and Arabs as the front-man financiers and founders and keeping their Jewish American "sayan" in a secondary, but critical position."

4/3/2006 11:28:06 AM

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"Please have the sanity to see through conspiracy thoeries."

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"What is a “conspiracy theory”? A minority or alternative viewpoint? Any version of an event that differs from the “official”, ”mainstream”, and government version of the event? There was a conspiracy to commit the 9/11 attacks either way you look at it. It’s just a matter of which “conspiracy theory” you believe. Do you believe the government’s conspiracy theory that 19 guys masterminded by a guy in a cave caused NORAD and the U.S. Air Defense to stand down and pulled off the greatest terrorist attack in history? Or do you believe, based on all of the evidence and the ensuing cover-up of the truth, that a criminal element within or controlling the government are the real culprits? The government’s “official” story is the real “bogus conspiracy theory.” The “conspiracy theorist” label is designed to silence and marginalize opposition to the establishment story on any issue. It’s use is similar to name-calling and smear tactics, such as calling those who question the official 9/11 story “crackpot”, “hysterical”, “paranoid”, “nutcases”, “tin foil hatters”, etc. There is no substance or logic to these tactics. It is an emotional argument, designed to make you not consider the issue rationally. The mainstream media has conditioned people to have a knee-jerk reaction when hearing the term “conspiracy theory” associated with important subjects or viewpoints that differ drastically with the establishment viewpoint. Those investigating 9/11 and government involvement in other terrorist events are not “hysterical” or making this stuff up for kicks. There is documented hard evidence supporting their arguments. These people are ordinary citizens genuinely concerned with corruption in our government who are simply asking questions and investigating the facts. And they have good reason to be skeptical, given the track record of the government and media on telling the truth. If you are content with being continually lied to and deceived by the government and media, and letting them spoon feed you the information they want and shape your worldview, then that’s up to you. But that would be quite foolish. If you are genuinely interested in knowing the truth, I suggest you become skeptical of the “mainstream” sources, start asking question, start thinking for yourself, look to “alternative” sources of information, and start thinking outside of the mainstream. The question is, will you follow in lock-step according to the conditioning of the media overlords and not consider this information because they have labeled it “conspiracy theory”? Or will you at least consider the information, evidence, and arguments of the opposing viewpoint?"

4/3/2006 11:32:24 AM

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/28031.htm

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"WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High; Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed From Controlled Demolition WTC janitor pulls burn victim to safety after basement explosion rocks north tower seconds before jetliner hit top floors. Also, two other men trapped and drowning in a basement elevator shaft, were also pulled to safety from underground explosion. June 24, 2005 By Greg Szymanski His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn’t speculation or conjecture. It isn’t a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It’s a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others. It’s a story about 14 people who felt and heard the same explosion and even saw Rodriguez, moments after the airplane hit, take David to safety, after he was burnt so bad from the basement explosion flesh was hanging from his face and both arms So why didn’t NBC or any other major news outlets cover the story? They didn’t run it because it shot the government story to hell and back. They didn’t run it because "the powers that be" wouldn’t allow it. Since 9/11, Rodriguez has stuck to his guns, never wavering from what he said from day one. Left homeless at times, warned to keep quiet and subtly harassed, he nevertheless has continued trying to tell get his message out in the face of a country not willing to listen."

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/27928.htm

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"Former Asst. Sec. Of Treasury Under Reagan Doubts Official 9/11 Story; Claims Neo Con Agenda Is As 'Insane As Hitler And Nazi Party When They Invaded Russia In Dead Of Winter' June 22, 2005 By Greg Szymanski A former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan stepped back into the political spotlight this week, expressing doubt about the official 9/11 story and claiming "if they lied to us about Ruby Ridge, Waco and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, why should we believe them now." Paul Craig Roberts, listed by Who’s Who in America as one of the 1,000 most influential political thinkers in the world, has evolved over the years into a major Bush basher as well as neo con critic."

4/3/2006 11:35:39 AM

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"Some people will continue to claim absurdities. Insecurities, fear and boredom will force them to create fantasies about Zionist plots and the government sanctioned murder of 3,000 Americans."

Yeah, the government could NEVER attack and kill it's own citizens to blame it on a foreign entity in order to start war. How ridiculous of me!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

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"U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba By David Ruppe ABC News N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.""

The plan included “hijacking planes” and “orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities”? Hmmmmm. Doesn’t that sound familiar?

4/3/2006 11:38:55 AM

Reaction To Bush Insider Claim WTC Collapse Bogus Gets 'Huge Response' And Read By Millions Worldwide
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/290605hugeresponse.htm

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"After the dust settled, a former chief economist in Labor Department shocked by enormous support for his story and vows to keep writing about glaring inconsistencies in government's version of 9/11. Greg Szymanski | June 29 2005 ... Two weeks ago, the former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush’s first term told the world he thought the WTC fell from a controlled demolition, indicating 9/11 was "an inside government job." Reynolds, a respected economist and former Republican conservative, made his claims after researching many aspects of 9/11, including scientific and engineering data for and against the government story. ... "I had a huge response and it really was amazing. I never expected so many people to respond so passionately," said Reynolds this week in a telephone interview. "I literally received hundreds and hundred of emails, some agreeing with me and others, of course, disagreeing. "After it was all said and done, as things are starting to finally quiet down now, I would guess it was about 5 to 1 in favor of what I was saying. However, I never imagined how much support there was out there for what I was suggesting occurred on 9/11." Without mincing words, as he did in his article, Reynolds quickly changed the subject, again placing the blame squarely on the government for not coming clean about what happened on 9/11, saying it’s important to get to the bottom of a "story that dwarfs all others in comparison." "What it boils down to is that the government and the mainstream media are not digging into the 9/11 controversy because they are hiding something," said Reynolds. "From a media point of view, it’s the story of the century and they are not even trying to connect the dots." Continuing to throw some punches at his former employer, he added: "It’s nothing new. The government has always lied about so many things. Look at the Downing Street Memo, for example, the document confirming that the Bush administration lied to us about its motives for getting into the war. " If they lied to us about this, what else? Well, 9/11 is just another example." "

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4/3/2006 12:05:59 PM

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"Some people will continue to claim absurdities"

Some people continue to have blind trust in the government, and believe the government's lies when it is obvious they are lying. Why is that?

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"The real question is not why people theorize about conspiracies, but why people choose to believe the government's version of events when it's obvious that they're lying. One reason is that most people never see the evidence because our "news" industry hides it, and another reason is that the same news industry will quickly associate anyone who questions the government with the people who see Elvis, Bigfoot, and UFO's. But sadly, I think the main reason people choose to believe the government's version of events despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is because it's easier, and safer. If you ignore most of the evidence, and accept as plausible whatever ridiculous explanation the T.V. provides, your life remains simple, and you get to sit on your ass and watch more T.V. If on the other hand, you pluck your head from that same ass and realize you've been lied to, as a citizen in a democratic society, you're instantly burdened with being responsible for doing something about it. Source: http://www.netctr.com/911exposed.html"

4/3/2006 12:46:48 PM

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"WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High; Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed From Controlled Demolition"

so a blast occurring in the basement/substructure of a building will cause it to collapse from the top down in a pancake effect? very interesting.

4/3/2006 12:48:30 PM

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"so a blast occurring in the basement/substructure of a building will cause it to collapse from the top down in a pancake effect? "

The towers did NOT collapse due to the "pancake" theory as the government claims. The explosives at the bases of the towers were part of the controlled demolitions of the towers. That is why the eyewitnesses described a ground shake just prior to the collapse of both towers. That's why both towers fell in around 10 seconds, which is virtually the rate of free-fall. If they "pancaked" as the government claims, it would have been impossible for them to have fallen at the rate of free-fall.

4/3/2006 12:52:23 PM