can you enumerate those factors?

And why all of them have to be Islamic?

I don't see any other religion being in such a bad limelight.

7/15/2006 7:12:29 PM

well look where the majority of the world's conflict(rightly or wrongly) is

these are highly populated muslim regions

7/15/2006 7:25:14 PM

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"Islam has the most followers in the world, so it quite possible we have the most asshole people, just like christianity and others have theirs"

the critical point is that muslims are involved with most violent conflicts/wars and desecration of other religious symbols (ie. destroying ancient sculptures of buddha all over asia), especially this century. the only exceptions that i can think of off the top of my head are ww2, the korean war, and vietnam war (although many muslims fought with the viet cong).

^ exactly!

[Edited on July 15, 2006 at 7:29 PM. Reason : ]

7/15/2006 7:27:46 PM

they create conflict

that's my point.

There's no conflict in Mumbai

or in New York

or in Indiana

or in Israel mainland.

7/15/2006 7:28:13 PM

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"muslims have played a major, if not direct, role in nearly every significant conflict over human history. "

what role did muslims play in WWI and II, the vietnam and korean wars, the revolutionary war, the civil war, the 100 years war, the napoleonic wars?

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"well, I am sorry I didn't use proper words, but the fact is that all you can speak about non-islamic terrorism is essentially historical, or isolated incidents. Islamic terrorism is widespread, somewhat of an epidemic, systematic, and much more disturbing."

i agree with your second statement but the only reason muslim organizations have stuck around and had a larger effect than the ones i named is that there's is less a "seperatist" movement than a "rejoining" movement and they are backed by their governments in a common goal of taking back territory rather than being opposed by their governments in trying to seperate territory.

the fact that you refer to the IRA and basque movements as historical, isolated is ignorant. each of these movements was as strong as islamic terrorism until the last 15 years or so. yes they were more geographically isolated but that is only b/c their "oppressors" are more geographically isolated whereas the muslims find trouble with israel, and hence, with the US and Europe.

7/15/2006 9:56:11 PM

so wait

India is oppressing Pakistan based Islamic militants that have support from the Pakistani Government?
Islamic terrorists are justified in killing millions of people worldwide and in my country by blowing up the Parliament, the trains, and running away people of other religions from soverign states?
I guess beheading innocent people is justified.

Let's just ignore the fact that these Governments do nothing to curb civilian casualties. Let's forget that Pakistan's best response was to not accept the dead bodies of its soldiers when they were found making incursions into Indian territory.

Let's justify plane hijackings everywhere. So I guess since they have "trouble" with Israel, the best thing to do would be to lead Islamic Jehad because oh they're so fucking oppressed.

I know not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. You have Muslims in India not blowing anything up. They make money. And that's because India doesn't support terrorism, because it is inherently not an Islamic state. But whenever they get the chance, the Muslims in India do everything to create unrest because they're so fucking "oppressed" in their own country that they have to seek Pakistan's help.

7/15/2006 10:19:22 PM

justified?

fuck you buddy. i never said anything was justified. i was unaware to the extent of india's troubles w/ muslim terrorists and was referring to middle east muslim terrorism which is almost universally government supported or at least allowed.

you are the one trivializing acts of terror w/ statements like:

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"but all terrorists are Muslims."

which is absurd and makes light of the thousands upon thousands who have been killed by other terrorists.

while muslim terrorism is today the most widespread and is indeed an epidemic, to write off these other organizations as negligible b/c they dont kill people in your home country is vile and ignorant.

[Edited on July 15, 2006 at 11:08 PM. Reason : next time you feel the need to put words in my mouth, put a dick in yours instead]

7/15/2006 11:07:22 PM

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"Why do all the turrists have to be Muslim?"

why do all imperialists have to be white?

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"muslims have played a major, if not direct, role in nearly every significant conflict over human history. i'm not a fan of religion in the first place, but islam has got to be the worst of major ones."

the nazis were definately muslim, had to be, thats why they didnt like jews

british imperialists...muslims

o and napolian, he was a muslim too!

damn those muslims for the african slave trade and muslim cotton plantation owners that suceded from the union

south american occupation-stupid muslim spanish and portugese explorers

empire of the rising sun was a NASTY islamic regime

MUSLIMS ORDERED THE CRUCIFICTION OF JESUS BY PUNTUS PILATE; who was a judge for the roman empire that was, you guessed it a MUSLIM EMPIRE (but at least those muslim vikings/barbarians helped bring them down)

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"and that is what fucks everthing up they hide behind religion instead of the factors that really drives these types of actions"

well when you constantly shit on a group of people that are the same religion and steal their land all while slapping their values in the face i think that brings religion into it. not to mention you create a RELIGIOUS STATE for another religion on the land you removed them from.

then a nation that was built on values of SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE backs a jewish state.

i hate to be the one to break this but dispite everything you've been told your whole life the "terrorists" are right people. And they aren't terrorists they are militants seeking justice throught their best means.

gg to the nations that stand up for what is right even though it risks their safety and help support these organizations that are bent on retaking palestine by inflicting harm/revenge/pressure on israel and its friends

gg syria
gg iran
gg pakistan (kashmir was a muslim area taken by india allowed by britain)
gg jordan
gg hezbo
gg hamas

i remember 9/11 before i understood everything people asked why would someone do such a horrible thing to a great country like america that helps everybody?

then the average american idiot would come say "THEY HATE FREEDOM THEY WANNA TAKE OUR FREEDOM" being tottally blind to the whole israel situation. 9/11 was good in the sense that it woke some americans up to the wrongdoings of american foreign policy.

the only reason we started helping israel was to combat the soviet union. we did several things during the cold war that we know are wrong today (even iran which is why they hate us more) but this is the only thing that is still around and the only one we dont admit to today.

if a power much much greater than the us came and took everything east of the mississippi and drove americans west i'm pretty sure we would become "terrorists" too.

7/16/2006 12:41:05 AM

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"well when you constantly shit on a group of people that are the same religion and steal their land all while slapping their values in the face i think that brings religion into it. not to mention you create a RELIGIOUS STATE for another religion on the land you removed them from."

wait what you mean to say is these people who legally and legitimitely buy land in this area but muslims dont like all these jews moving into their area so they start attacking them and trying to entice them to leave. then the other countries form together and create a state for the jews so they will have a way to protect themselves from being forced off of THEIR land just b/c the muslims dont like them.

that is whay you meant to say, right?

7/16/2006 1:26:36 AM

exluding the obvious conflicts in afghanistan and the middle east, here are muslims' involvement in different wars:

africa - algeria, sudan, kenya, nigeria, rwanda, ivory coast, egypt, angola, senegal, etc. are all caught in civil wars and revolts by muslim fundamentalists and guerillas.

philippines and indonesia - muslim rebels and terrorists operate in these islands. they are wrecking havoc nearly every day with kidnappings and bombings.

india - esgargs is already covering that.

russia and former soviet republics - muslim seperatists are creating insurrections. you may recall the schoolhouse massacre some years ago? that was committed by chechnian (sp?) muslim seperatists.

bosnian war - this was a civil war between serbs, croats, and bosniaks (muslims). this can't be pinned wholly on the muslims. the whole area was fucked.

kosovo war - muslims vs. serbs

philippine-american war - it wasn't initiated by a muslim(s), but muslim fighters were prevalent in the war, especially in the south. the muslims were the last to succumb. i'm stretching here.

ussr vs. afghanistan - mujahideen fighters wanted to dispose of the standing government in afghanistan. interestingly, we (the us) and various muslim states supported the rebels with arms. later, those rebels became the taliban, who we are currently fighting now.

thailand - the muslim insurgency is currently running a seperatist campaign in southern thailand.

world war i - gavrilo princip's assassination of franz ferdinand in sarajevo ignited the "the great war". princip was a member of a muslim influenced seperatist/terrorist group.

the christian crusades - a direct response to muslim aggression. the muslims were conquering europe, and the christian factions rallied together to push back the muslim invasion.

acts of terrorism such as kidnappings, assasinations, bombings, hijackings, etc. are disproportionatly committed by various muslim factions, especially since the 70's. islam advocates violence as a means of spreading the religion, and they have zero tolerance for other religion ideals. nearly every country listed currently or int he past as "sponsors of terrorism" by the u.s. government are muslim nations (north korea and cuba are the exceptions). also, every muslim state is run under a dictatorship. like i said, i'm not a fan of religion in the first place, but islam is the worst of the major ones.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 8:58 AM. Reason : ]

7/16/2006 8:50:37 AM

i disagree with the crusades statement

when i am not hung over i will comment on that

7/16/2006 11:01:53 AM

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"kashmir was a muslim area taken by india allowed by britain)"

You're a fucking retard...and obviously a terrorist.

There're tons of "Muslim areas" in India and fucking Karachi in Pakistan is majority Hindu or used to be. Fuck, Pakistan didn't even exist before 1940s. Kashmir rightfully belongs to India, and you see Pakistan's fucking Govt making FORCED INCURSIONS into its territory and DENYING it.

Why deny if they're so rightful?

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"the "terrorists" are right people"

I hate your parents/spouse is in a bombing pursued by these "right people"

Fuck you dude

and you say they're right?

Muhammad allah, how are they right when they kill innocent people? And why are they so dependant on American foreign policy that they have to "revolt" against it? I don't see Singapore crying foul or smaller European nations or Asian nations crying over "foreign policy".

Fuck these terrorists.

How are imperialists terrorists?

Sure they had a brutal regime, even then better than fucking Taliban's, but they were not terrorizing people outside their fucking "regime".

How the fuck can you even justify terrorism. I hope someone you love gets beheaded and massacred by these "right people"

FUCK YOU

7/16/2006 11:19:57 AM

i thought the crusades were about christians regaining control of the holy land?

7/16/2006 11:56:36 AM

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"why do all imperialists have to be white?"

You seem to think that hegemony is uniquely European.

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""(kashmir was a muslim area taken by india allowed by britain)" "

I'm surprised you didn't say it was China's. But seriously read a little more plz.

I hate to be a grammar nazi but it is an indication of ones intelligence.

"napolian,"
" that suceded from the union"
"PUNTUS PILATE"

7/16/2006 12:34:05 PM

hahah "puntus" pilate

7/16/2006 12:36:00 PM

we're in the wrong. i hope someone steals your shit and gets away with it. too bad theres not a way for the "terrorists" to only target americans who support israel

these are terrible actions but they are slightly justified so if my mom was kidnapped and killed by "terrorists" i certainly wouldn't be mad at all of islam i would be mad at american foreign policy the most for "beheading" palestine in the first place. do you have any idea how much suffering the creation of israel caused?

if you force any creature into a corner they're going to use all means to protect themselves. killing innocent americans is the best way to make americans aware of the situation. the general american public doesn't know historical details.

put israel in germany or even use of the madagascar plan and this would've never been such a beef but no, you go and put it in the holy land right on top of a muslim population and expect them to just be cool with it? then the most powerful nations in the world supply them with arms and wonder why they fight as "terrorists". Its pretty funny when you think about it.

its funny how any muslim rebel is a "terrorists".
(when you see white rebels they are revolting or fighting for freedom but when you see an arab rebel they are a terrorist, and they've given permission to go down there and shoot us)-kanye

sad thing is muslims have been severly mistreated in most of those areas just because of racism from muslim society being so different from christians

America can kill all the innocent people they want or support all the regimes that kill innocents and are in the wrong (in the name of democracy during the cold war was understandable but now it is rediculous) but anybody who goes against them is a "terrorist"

Americans and Israelis are so cocky with the value of their lives. if the same thing was done to them it would be "terrorism" and "hatred for freedom"

american and israeli lives are the only lives that really count and anybody who takes one is a terrorist

7/16/2006 1:03:17 PM

wow, what a silly post.

7/16/2006 1:09:41 PM

^^You're either an idiot or a troll.


I'm not sure that I'm willing to give you enough benefit of the doubt to call you a troll.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 1:14 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2006 1:13:33 PM

only thing silly in my post was the kanye reference

the truth is pretty silly though. american foreign policy is silly. israel isnt silly because they are just bettering themselves by taking advantage of someone else.

i hate to quote the most evil man of all time but hitler claimed jews were "cunning, and would better themselves at everyone elses cost" and thats exactly what happened after he was defeated. israel

7/16/2006 1:25:08 PM

please

just shut the fuck up. the fact that you had to quote hitler about jews just proves your point has no standing.

7/16/2006 1:28:39 PM

Israel's going to be a crater in about two months. The death count is vile and they won't "account" they're surrounded on all four points of the compass by muslims, they made a very bold move which will cause another holocaust in the mid east.

I'm waiting for a kosher pageant at the bell tower

7/16/2006 1:36:25 PM

6 day war homey

6 day war

7/16/2006 1:40:27 PM

wow cxmai, you got some pretty fucked up views man

7/16/2006 2:32:27 PM

israel killed canadian citizens in their arrogant bombings

isnt that nice, they are using hezbollah as an excuse to bomb a whole country who doesnt contol them


fuck israel, i hope hezbollah bombs their tabernacle

7/16/2006 4:02:07 PM

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"they are using hezbollah as an excuse to bomb a whole country who doesnt contol them "

are you saying Hezbollah has nothing to do with Lebanon politics?

7/16/2006 5:00:41 PM

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"put israel in germany or even use of the madagascar plan and this would've never been such a beef but no, you go and put it in the holy land right on top of a muslim population and expect them to just be cool with it? then the most powerful nations in the world supply them with arms and wonder why they fight as "terrorists". Its pretty funny when you think about it. "

While I agree that creation of Israel just to get rid of Jews in America was a big mistake, it does not in any way justify the "powerful" nations supporting killings across the world. And if they are justified, why do I not see a social upheaveling rather than blatant terrorism. Why not the Arab Americans lobby the politicians instead of going against their "own" terrorists and religion? Why not openly support it?

The difference between rebellion and terrorism is that rebellion is open and justified. There're rules of rebellion. How many innocents were killed by Indian revolutiories/rebels during the freedom movement? Terrorism is under the radar, lethal, and creepy.

These Muslims are doing nothing justified. They are terrorists. period.

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"sad thing is muslims have been severly mistreated in most of those areas just because of racism from muslim society being so different from christians"

Brain fart, I assume.

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"but anybody who goes against them is a "terrorist""

no...anyone who kills innocent people by stealth fucking PLANNING is a terrorist.

Fuck these fuckers.

7/16/2006 5:18:06 PM

terrorism has nothing to do with how it's planned, it just has to do with using fear as a weapon.

7/16/2006 5:25:49 PM

yeah I am sure the bombings and hijackings and flight trainings are never planned.

They uproot some money plants and go at it.

7/16/2006 5:26:44 PM

do you even understand what i'm trying to say?

7/16/2006 5:28:01 PM

Fear comes from planning attacks...

What's so hard to understand?


if it's not stealth, they'd fail.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 5:29 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2006 5:28:50 PM

these people have no other option. lol non-violent protests and lobbying isnt going to get anywhere against the jews. they aren't going to be like "ya you're right" and then suddenly cease from existance.

figting for land that was stolen from you isn't justified?

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"no...anyone who kills innocent people by stealth fucking PLANNING is a terrorist. Fuck these fuckers."

ok. America has killed several innocent people (im sure more than any terrorist organization) with cruise missiles bombers atomic bombs and stealth technology all in situations where we didn't have to, to ensure our survival (we weren't being invaded) so by your definition america is a terrorist.

EVER HEARD OF THE SONS OF LIBERTY?.....TERRORISTS but nobody in america dares look at it that way because they were fighting for our cause.

7/16/2006 5:32:27 PM

and I am sure America has never hurt a nation that wasn't classified by the UN as a dangerous/terrorist nation before.

7/16/2006 5:34:58 PM

^^ I must have missed the part where they went to England and blew up day care centers.

7/16/2006 11:04:36 PM

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"Israel's going to be a crater in about two months. The death count is vile and they won't "account" they're surrounded on all four points of the compass by muslims, they made a very bold move which will cause another holocaust in the mid east. I'm waiting for a kosher pageant at the bell tower"

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"6 day war homey 6 day war"

thank you. atleast someone knows a bit about history.


^^^ btw, no one is really innocent except children; alot of them are conniving devils too. secondly, you have no fucking clue what the fuck you're jibber-jabberin' about.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 11:18 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2006 11:15:38 PM

this thread is nothing but people sticking words in other people's mouths and making extreme statements that have no backing in reality

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 11:17 PM. Reason : IRONIC, HUH]

7/16/2006 11:17:29 PM

i may have embellished with "muslims have been involved in nearly every major conflict", but i've qualified and narrowed that statement to the 20th century. i've also supported my statement(s) to an intellectual degree.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 11:22 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2006 11:20:57 PM

id say about 95% of this thread is pure bs, including some of my shit

7/16/2006 11:25:08 PM

^^i was discussing that comment and esgargs comment that all terrorists are muslim

and esgargs is the main one who puts words in peoples mouths.

i dont even read that cxmai bitch's stuff

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 11:32 PM. Reason : well i read his/her first post b/c i replied to it]

7/16/2006 11:31:27 PM

^5 ok so only american and israeli adults can be innocent. i get it

7/17/2006 12:36:43 AM

While on one hand we would all ideally get along, that's not reality. In reality it's survival of the fittest, so if you're catching a smack-down somewhere in the world right now oh well.

7/17/2006 12:43:26 AM

hey cxmaxipad..
did some jews steal your land

because your hatred of a certain type of people is beyond my comprehension

7/17/2006 1:27:16 AM

i don't hate anybody and nobody stole anything from me or else they would've been punished because i'm a spoiled american.

I JUST SPEAK FOR WHAT IS RIGHT

7/17/2006 1:32:33 AM

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"ok so only american and israeli adults can be innocent. i get it"

that not at all what he said...why dont you try getting past you jew-hating bullcrap and get some reading comprehension skills

7/17/2006 1:33:33 AM

I'm a jew hater becuase i don't support allowing jews to steal land and do whatever the fuck they want? ok. i get it.

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 1:37 AM. Reason : BUT MY BEST FRIEND IS JEWISH. HA]

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 1:38 AM. Reason : I HAD JEWS OVER FOR DINNER LASTNIGHT]

7/17/2006 1:36:41 AM

so if the jews wouldnt have been given this land after the holocaust, what would have happened to jews after world war 2?

7/17/2006 1:40:25 AM

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"I'm a jew hater "

im glad you finally admit it

and you still have no reading comprehension skills

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 1:42 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/17/2006 1:42:02 AM

stolen, purchased

it's all the same to a jew hater right

7/17/2006 1:42:52 AM

2 months, I'm telling you boiling glass crater.

7/17/2006 1:43:22 AM

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"stolen, purchased it's all the same to a jew hater right"

eeexactly...irrational hatred

7/17/2006 1:44:36 AM

they should've gone back to their homes. if they were going to create a state it should've been in europe where most of the Jews were anyway. Instead they chose to make a european nation smack in the middle east. The palestinians had nothing to do with the holacaust. They couldn't deal with the "racism" in europe so had to be taken back to the "promised land". weak weak weak weak weak weak weak

britain was broke and didn't know/care the mistake they were helping to make. zionism was a joke before ww2.

7/17/2006 1:46:20 AM