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there is a lot of stupid in this thread

8/6/2006 6:16:19 PM

wait she was walking in New Jersey?

ha, bad idea

8/6/2006 6:16:55 PM

Quote :

"Bad example. She wasn't wearing a shirt that said "I DARE YOU TO RAPE ME!""

First: i said "this is an extreme example"
Second and more importantly: the example wasn't intended to suggest that wearing the shirt is the same as walking alone, or "I dare you to rape me". It was to show that doing something unwise led to bad things happening. Wearing a t-shirt that says "fuck niggers" and walking home drunk in a dangerous area when you have other options are both unwise, not to mention how small she was.

Even if she was wearing a shirt that said "I DARE YOU TO RAPE ME!" would that make it OK? FUCK NO.

Wearing a shirt that says "FUCK NIGGERS" doesn't make it OK for someone to beat that persons' ass or kill them either.

Quote :

"i agree that the nigger shirt example is bad. you're going to get stuck with some of the blame for inciting violence."

I agree that you'll get stuck with the blame, but that doesn't mean the blame is entirely his. Wearing a shirt that says "I hate niggers" doesn't by any means suggest you want to fight anyone, it's just letters on a shirt. The person who starts the fight should get most of the blame, they're the ones that couldn't deal with some words on a shirt (no matter how offensive they were) and control their emotions. I blame the person who wore the shirt for doing something that common sense tells us could cause trouble, not so much for getting their ass beat. Wearing slutty clothes doesn't mean you want to be fucked or raped either. But it happens.

The point was; knowing that it could incite violence you wouldn't do it. I know that a very small (can't defend herself), drunk, provactively clothed girl is more likely to incite rape compared to say a 6' 220lb man. And if I was a girl fitting that description I wouldn't walk alone drunk in a bad area for the fact that I know it could provoke some douchebag to harm me.

This shit happens all the time, it's nothing new. You should be aware of the shit that happens around you and the circumstances in which they take place so that you can do your best to avoid them. This girl did not do that, and that was her responibility. The blame for her being raped and murdered is on the guy who couldn't realize that raping and murdering someone is wrong, or who know it was wrong but couldn't control those urges.

I grew up in a bad neighborhood, as in people were murdered, raped, stabbed, there were a lot of drug use and selling, swat teams raiding houses, that kind of shit. There was a catwalk that crossed over I-95 from my neighborhood to another road where there was a grocery store and other shit. On the otherside of the catwalk you had to walk along some woods and then cut through a parking lot to get to the stores or other neighborhoods. Well, it wasn't uncommon for people to get jumped or mugged at night right on the other side of the catwalk, nothing around but trees and places for people to jump out from and it wasn't lit very well. You couldn't see the area from anywhere else. You could also get to the stores by walking along the side of a 4 lane road which had a sidewalk and lights. It was a longer route but I can't recall anyone getting hit by a car or hurt in anyway.

if you were walking by yourself it was more dangerous to use the catwalk than walk along the road. Knowing this, it wasn't very bright to take the catwalk when there was a safer alternative. And unless the person wasn't aware of this, if they chose the catwalk and got jumped I would say "you knew better", doesn't mean i'm blaming them for getting jumped, just blaming them for putting themselves in situation where they were more likely to get jumped.

This girl put herself in a bad situation. Perhaps she didn't know better, in which case her parents should have done a better job of making her aware of the realities of the world we live in before letting her out on her own.

[Edited on August 6, 2006 at 6:31 PM. Reason : sp.]

8/6/2006 6:28:15 PM

The difference is she wasn't walking through some sketchy path that she knew people got mugged on.

8/6/2006 8:51:34 PM

well i get a little uneasy walking by myself in the city alone at night. id wager that if she wasnt drunk off her ass (and maybe even still so) it made her feel the same.

i agree with ur point duro, im just saying that particular example wasnt good. i say if you willingly choose to wear a shirt like that it is nearly equivalent to throwing the first blow. thats beyond putting urself in a bad situation.

8/6/2006 9:33:25 PM

^ I can respect that

Jesus christ.

Is it not fairly common knowledge that there a douche bags out there that rape girls? Is it not common knowledge that most girls, especially 105lb girls, aren't going to be able to defend themselves against a grown man? Is it not common knowledge that many guys are turned on/more likely to notice a girl in the type of outfit she was wearing?

This girl made an ill decision. It's not her fault she was raped, but she put herself in a situation in which it would more likely that she would be raped than her other options.

I don't care where the fuck you live, rape and murder happen in all sorts of areas. If you're a girl, don't walk around alone at night. If you're drunk off your ass, you should not walk around alone at night. If you're wearing an outfit like that, whether it's right or wrong, you have to recognize the kind of attention it may attract. This shit is common sense.

Should Bill O'Reilly, or anyone for that matter, be on national television calling her a moron? No, it's completely unnecessary. Could this girl have made a better/smarter decision which could have lowered her chances of being harmed? Yes

The examples I presented are anecdotes intended to show similar situations where someone makes a poor decision and is harmed by doing so (that is what the anecdotes and this unfurtuanate event have in common). Nothing else in the anecdotes has to be similar to the actual event because that covered one of the points i was making. I presented several examples, if you can't dispose of all them then there was 1 that got my point across and you're saying shit just for the sake of it. The other point I was making came with the "fuck niggers" shirt deal, most people would hold that guy a little bit responisble, even though he did nothing illegal, because it is common knowledge that people find something like that offensive and it can entice people to become violent. People in this thread were complaining about others saying that she put herself in a bad situation. She didn't go as far as say something really offensive to anyone (like i said, that was an extreme example) but she went against common sense, as does wearing a shirt that says "Fuck Niggers" (which could be to start shit or it could not). The whole "well we shouldn't say anything even remotely bad about dead people or a victim like this" is BULLSHIT. She did something stupid. She didn't deserve what happened to her. Even if she got home safe, I would still say she did something really stupid. As a matter of fact if I knew her and she was alright and i knew what happened I would first tell her why it's so stupid to walk around at that time of night by herself and then tell her that if she is ever in that situation to please call myself or someone else.

1. this girl put herself in a poor situation (whether or not anything happened doesn't change that)
2. Some asshole raped and killed her and should be put to death
3. Bill O'Reilly is a fucking douchebag

/thread

[Edited on August 6, 2006 at 9:41 PM. Reason : I can respect that]

8/6/2006 9:38:13 PM

this thread so far:

twwer 1) Its like if you [example of not taking precautions and being a victim of crime].

twwer 2) No its not. She was raped.

x50

8/6/2006 9:43:24 PM

I still maintain that she was safer on the streets. Youre more likely to be raped by somone you know, therefor being around strangers was the best bet. That kind of rape is far less common. Im not trolling, this is statistical fact.

8/6/2006 10:27:09 PM

So had she walked home with her girlfriend, she would have been even more at risk of rape?

I'm going to raise my daughters to always split up before walking home at night.

8/6/2006 10:35:22 PM

Quote :

"I still maintain that she was safer on the streets. Youre more likely to be raped by somone you know, therefor being around strangers was the best bet. That kind of rape is far less common. Im not trolling, this is statistical fact. "

I wasn't totally sure before, but this quote has convinced me that Josh4943857395 is retarded.

This is 100% fact. [/salisburyboy]

8/6/2006 10:49:42 PM

statistically you are more likely to be in a car crash closer to home. does that mean you are safer driving on vacation? no, it is a dumb stat just like the rape one.

[Edited on August 6, 2006 at 11:06 PM. Reason : .]

8/6/2006 11:06:14 PM

Quote :

"So had she walked home with her girlfriend, she would have been even more at risk of rape?"

yes, if her girlfiend is a man.

8/7/2006 2:46:10 AM

Quote :

"I still maintain that she was safer on the streets. Youre more likely to be raped by somone you know, therefor being around strangers was the best bet. That kind of rape is far less common. Im not trolling, this is statistical fact."

Uh, you realize she was murdered too, right? As bad as getting date raped is, I'm thinking it's better than being raped and murdered.

P.S.

I am, I am, I am
I said I wanna get next to you
I said I'm gonna get close to you
You wouldn't want me have to hurt you too, hurt you too

I ain't, I ain't, I ain't
A buyin' into your apathy
I'm gonna learn you my philosophy
You wanna know about atrocity, atrocity

I know you want what's on my mind
I know you like what's on my mind
I know it eats you up inside
I know, you know, you know, you know

I am a man, a man
I'll give you something that you won't forget
I said you shouldn't have worn that dress
I said you shouldn't have worn that dress

Here I come, I come, I come
Here I come, I come, I come

I am, I am, I am
I said I wanna get next to you
I said I'm gonna get close to you
You wouldn't want me have to hurt you too, hurt you too


[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 3:33 AM. Reason : lyrics]

8/7/2006 3:31:37 AM

that has nothing to do with the cause of the crime.

8/7/2006 3:32:26 AM

I'm pretty sure rapes by strangers are far more likely to cause serious injury and death.

8/7/2006 3:33:47 AM

maybe, but you have to weight that by the rarity. youre still in more danger around your friends.

8/7/2006 3:37:55 AM

You'd have to look at the stats in the city in question to really say one way or the other. National stats can easily distort things. Also, most people spend more with people they know than with strangers. I really doubt you can find stats that prove ten minutes spent with a friend is worse than ten minutes wandering around alone in a big city.

8/7/2006 3:43:35 AM

O'Reilly picked a terrible case to make his point with. I mean, it would appear that this wasn't your standard abduction/rape/murder (grab her off the streets, throw her in the van, rape her, kill her, toss her in the Hudson).

Small-time pimp thought he'd found a new employee; Moore thought she'd found someone who would help. She was wrong.

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 4:03 AM. Reason : sss]

8/7/2006 4:00:01 AM

^^ id say her 'friend' was dangerous.

8/7/2006 4:02:19 AM

Personal protection is just that--personal. No one, regardless of sex, sobriety, or manner of dress should depend on others to make sure they are not harmed. The rapist was wrong, but that doesn't help the victim any. Remember that even the police are not required to protect you and can't be everywhere at once, so quit trying to pass responsibility on to others and realize that the only one you can count on to watch out for you is yourself.

8/7/2006 10:25:27 AM

I feel bad for her bf, what an awful phone call to receive...

8/7/2006 10:59:45 AM

^I think he got a call, but I don't think she said what he says she did. It don't add up.

8/7/2006 12:20:02 PM

i'm glad my girl in jersey city is still alive

8/7/2006 12:22:20 PM

^^ why not? Just to make sure, what you're talking about is him saying that she called him and said that someone was following her right?

8/7/2006 1:00:11 PM

^Yes, I do not think she said that to him on the phone. I've read a lot about this and it's not clear what's true and what's not true. I read that her friend who went away in the ambulance says she called Moore and that Moore said a "nice man" was helping her. I also read that Moore and Coleman were in a cab together at one point. Moore also went into the motel with Coleman (some reports claiming she was barely conscious and may have been drugged as well as drunk).

So, if Moore did call her boyfriend and say that a man was following her, she probably wasn't talking about Coleman. Otherwise, her boyfriend is likely not telling the truth about what she said on the phone.

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 1:25 PM. Reason : sss]

8/7/2006 1:24:18 PM

i gotcha. I haven't read a lot to be aware of any discrepencies but,

It's also possible that Coleman was following behind her but hadn't stopped her or introduced himself yet. Perhaps right after she talked to her boyfriend she turned around and asked if he needed something or he asked if she needed help. This type of "introduction" seems plausible since it seems that she somewhat willingly (as in not under duress) went to the motel. He must of came off as someone that was nice and and wanted to help her (considering the phone call with her friend you mentioned ).

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

8/7/2006 2:00:17 PM

wanted to help her with a deep dicking and a throat slash perhaps.

8/7/2006 2:05:38 PM

^good one.

Hope this never happens to anyone you know, or God forbid, your own gf.

oh wait, my guess is you probably don't have a gf...

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 2:12 PM. Reason : gh]

8/7/2006 2:11:48 PM

both trite and incorrect... how lovely.

8/7/2006 2:15:27 PM

Should we really feel that bad for Jennifer Moore? Come on, most people would love a good fuck right before they die. It's a nice way to go out.

8/7/2006 2:32:29 PM

Consider yourself one-upped, cyrion.

8/7/2006 2:37:45 PM

^height/weight?

8/7/2006 2:38:27 PM

I could walk around naked in a prison and not have to worry about rape because I'm so sexy that I'm initimidating.

8/7/2006 2:47:49 PM

thats one way to look at it

8/7/2006 2:53:12 PM

^Joke thief!

8/7/2006 3:05:25 PM

She sealed her own fate. No sympathy.

8/8/2006 10:20:22 AM

^Exactly. Plus how many black girls have suffered the same fate as her and weren't drunk and were simply minding their own business? Or latino girls? Or Asian girls? Or guys for that matter?


Rape/kidnapping: The Plight of the White Woman.

[Edited on August 8, 2006 at 10:34 AM. Reason : ..wrong word]

8/8/2006 10:33:32 AM

Yeah fuck rape victims, who could blame the guy that attacked her? She was ripe for the pickin'. If he didn't, somebody would have!

8/8/2006 10:41:28 AM

Who is saying that the rapist wasn't to blame?

8/8/2006 10:43:00 AM

"The Plight of the White Woman"

Yeah fuck white women. If they're outside at dark, they deserve what they get!!

8/8/2006 10:43:56 AM

^I was alluding to how the media only focuses on the rapings/kidnappings/killings of white women as if it is a curse on them or something. If a foreigner depended on the MSM for anything, s/he would come to believe that mostly white women are raped/kidnapped/killed when thats not true at all.

8/8/2006 10:51:05 AM

you know whats great about this topic.....

you can pull the same shit every 2 months and everyone gets outraged all over again without fail

8/8/2006 12:27:36 PM

Quote :

"I was alluding to how the media only focuses on the rapings/kidnappings/killings of white women as if it is a curse on them or something."

Because some people care too much, we should care too little. Seriously, fuck white rape victims, man.

8/8/2006 12:41:03 PM