Quote :

"does anyone else find it odd that they were reading carrie?"

What's odd about that?

It's a book about a teenager's latent psychic abilities.

10/5/2006 3:29:06 PM

Quote :

"Not to mention that both of the wings snapped off the plane in this episode, but in the Pilot, the right wing is still attached to the fuse. It falls off and almost lands on Claire and Hurley, IIRC. Several oversights in that scene for a show that is typically very devoted to those trivial details. Oh well, no biggie. "

Maybe its another plane!!!

But Im like you, It doesnt seem like they would over look something like that.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 3:32 PM. Reason : /]

10/5/2006 3:31:41 PM

when the Earthquake happened, Ben immediately ran outside as if he knew to be looking for a plane.

Perhaps this isnt the first plane that this has happened to?

^AHAHA. Exactly what I was getting at.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 3:32 PM. Reason : 0_o]

10/5/2006 3:31:51 PM

Just watched it on my DVR, and the right wing actually doesn't break off.

10/5/2006 3:40:25 PM

^yeah, right wing did not break off..

and i can't remember, but didn't the plane enter into some sort of turbulence, etc... BEFORE it split in half...?

this could be the reason it was so low when it split in half. it was already in some turbulence, etc... and then split..

i can't remember though

also i just watched the beginning...

the chick at the beginning is juliette...

Also, when her and Adam are arguing about the book club she says,

"Here I am thinking that free will still exists on th... " and then she is interrupted by all the shaking.. she is clearly getting ready to say "this island" but is interrupted. She gets the "th.." sound out and you can read her lips also....

so evidentally there is no free will on the island...hmm

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 4:02 PM. Reason : yep]

10/5/2006 3:55:07 PM

the first time we saw desmond in the hatch, what song was he listening to?

10/5/2006 4:01:10 PM

^make your own kind of music, sing your own special song

10/5/2006 4:03:10 PM

Quote :

"It's a book about a teenager's latent psychic abilities."

duh

Quote :

"when the Earthquake happened, Ben immediately ran outside as if he knew to be looking for a plane."

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 4:05 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 4:04:43 PM

^noo...he really didn't.. after the earthquake everyone ran outside, what would instintively happen if you lived in a small "village" like that...

other people were looking up as well and he just looked all around and then looked up.

i don't think he was "looking" for a plane, per se.

10/5/2006 4:12:28 PM

^^^^^yeah, earlier a poster was saying that Ben was Juliette's husband and used that conversation as evidence, but I agree with what you say, and think he's more of a Big Brother type figure. It seemed to me the man was saying that Ben would not approve of the book being read, more so than that Ben wouldn't enjoy the book. Her crying at the beginning, the rebellion with her book choice, and coldness towards Ben at the end definitely gives the impression that at the very least she does not approve of everything that is happening, and could end up helping the survivers. Interesting start to the season, hopefully they'll keep things moving a little better than last season.

10/5/2006 4:24:06 PM

I don't buy that Desmond and other dude were solely responsible for the plane crashing on the island. Remember they were way off course...waaaaay off course. But the hatch only went crazy for a like 30 seconds.

So why was the plane so off-course?

10/5/2006 4:24:14 PM

i just love the fact that ben/henry gale was only brought on initially for 3 episodes

and now he is the leader of "the others"

THATS A LUCKY BREAK FOR THE LOST CREATORS 5-SEASON-PLAN, ISN'T IT

ps

wtf is going on in apex

someone forgot to enter the code?

10/6/2006 2:36:21 AM

Quote :

"frenchy's daughter did for preggers chick (been so long since i've seen her i forgot her name)"

alex

i want to know how danielle hasn't found their camp after living on the island for 16 years (it seemed pretty visible from the one overhead shot). i also still want to know about the damn monster, that's what got me hooked from the first episode. :sigh:

10/6/2006 9:20:30 AM

Quote :

"do you think there is going to be any side effect of the numbers reaching zero (last time the plane crashed)?"

I think there was a lot of electromagnetic energy released that acted as a beacon for the guys in Anartica. As to why Penelope had them looking, I have no clue. I thought that was the most interesting aspect of the episode and I hope to get at least some explanations before the season is over.

10/6/2006 11:19:49 AM

Quote :

"As to why Penelope had them looking, I have no clue."

She's looking for Desmond... the real question is how did she know to look for electromagnetic anomolies unless Widmore is involved with the Darhma Initiative and she snooped on some information she wasn't supposed to see.

10/6/2006 1:26:42 PM

I'm still trying to figure out the separation between Dharma and the Others. They keep dropping hints such as Juliette playing a CD where Desmond put on a record (in the hatch), Ben or somebody saying that Dharma was a long time ago, etc.

Maybe I'm making too much out of this . . .

10/6/2006 7:07:05 PM

After finally watching the show

and after reading this thread

i realize i hate you people more than i do this show

idiot chickens with your heads cut off

except for Woodfoot

he knows wtf is up

(or at least doesn't attempt to misinterpret everything that happened in the episode)

10/6/2006 8:07:28 PM

Quote :

"when the Earthquake happened, Ben immediately ran outside as if he knew to be looking for a plane. Perhaps this isnt the first plane that this has happened to?"

ethan's dead now, so the chances of this being a different/new plane is pretty slim

UNLESS HE WAS BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

10/7/2006 10:02:15 AM

well i'm not arguing either way, but it is entirely possible that was some sort of flashback to a different plane crash from before the current one. obviously its not gonna be one after the current one cause goodwyn and ethan are dead. even if that was the current plane crash, i dont see how the fact that ethan is alive means that this has never happened before.

[Edited on October 7, 2006 at 10:36 AM. Reason : .]

10/7/2006 10:30:41 AM

You think this was a flashback

to a different plane

the body of which also separated in midair

the wing of which came off

with Ethan going to the front section

and Goodwin going to the back.



Yeah, I bet that's happened like twenty times.

10/7/2006 10:46:55 AM

i didnt say thats what i thought. in fact, i even prefaced my comment by saying i wasnt arguing for it.

10/7/2006 10:56:55 AM

you can't say you're going to argue and then support your "non-argument" with points...

i think i'm actually just going to try and let you guys think what you want this season

but i'll chime in if you guys get really lost and ridiculous

10/7/2006 11:25:06 AM

no pun intended

10/7/2006 11:49:40 AM

Quote :

"you can't say you're going to argue and then support your "non-argument" with points..."

pretty sure i just did

i'm not arguing that either way is the case, i'm just sayin that his point is stupid. obviously if ethan is dead, then this plane did not crash AFTER flight 815. but who's to say this wasnt BEFORE flight 815? can you not refute a stupid comment without taking a side?

[Edited on October 7, 2006 at 4:55 PM. Reason : .]

10/7/2006 4:51:43 PM

so you were arguing

dumbass

10/7/2006 4:54:09 PM

read the edit. see if you can figure out whats going on here.

10/7/2006 4:55:37 PM

if you're not arguing, stop posting

if you are, keep posting

it's that simple

10/7/2006 4:58:44 PM

coming from the same person who continuously posts to tell people how stupid they are

10/7/2006 5:00:00 PM

Sometimes I still think they're in a damn submarine.

10/7/2006 5:18:49 PM

^^it's mutual...people tell me i'm stupid

but the thing that counts is i'm right more often than not

most of you guys still can't figure out what's been shown right in front of you and you come up with the most off the wall and ridiculous claims

if it wasnt' for me, these threads would consist of the blind leading the blind and i just can't stand to see that happen

10/7/2006 6:01:40 PM

This is one of the few times I'm actually in complete agreement with CharlieEFH.

Reading 2 pages of debate on how many Bens there are on the island is making my head hurt. Maybe you people should stick to watching reruns of Everybody Loves Raymond, this show appears to be operating miles over most of your heads.

10/7/2006 6:14:27 PM

i mean i could give everybody here a better explanation as to what Ben and Juliet's relationship is and the reason's they did everything they did to Jack, Sawyer and Kate

but this season i want to try something different

10/7/2006 6:20:45 PM

10/7/2006 7:51:16 PM

I mean I always assumed CharlieEFH was just a huge asshole for always talking about how he's so much smarter than most of you, but really, you continue to set the bar pretty low for the guy.

I watched the episode and had a pretty good feeling like I knew what was going on, then I came here Thursday morning to see TWW's take on things, and it's like I had missed something. You guys were talking about multiple Bens, and marriages that didn't exist, and secondary planes, and for just a second there I thought perhaps I was the dumb one here. I went around to other Lost message boards and poked around, and found out that nope. In fact I'm not. You people are.

Maybe Charlie's idea is a pretty good one. If you don't have a clue what you're talking about, maybe you shouldn't participate much in the conversation.

10/7/2006 8:32:37 PM

It's entirely plausible that another crash happened in exactly the same way, and then the exact same thing happened, but it wasn't the same crash!!!

10/7/2006 8:43:28 PM

werent some anal retentive dorks just arguing a page or two ago that the plane crash shown in the season premiere didnt match the crash of 815? i dont know, i dont really watch the show that closely.

10/7/2006 11:16:16 PM

its the ones who watch to closely and then ones who don't watch enough that are the problem

10/7/2006 11:18:40 PM

no doubt. i think your best bet is to watch the hour long show, and then watch the next hour a week later. dont spend the week in between trying to figure out whether the number of times jack blinks during a conversation factors into the dharma's mind control experimentation. (i just made that up, please nobody actually look into it)

10/8/2006 12:16:18 AM

NOTICE

PERSONS attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot.

BY ORDER OF THE AUTHOR, Per G.G., Chief of Ordnance.

10/8/2006 2:56:15 AM

I don't think anyone's trying to quell the discussion completely. That's one of the best things I like about this show is how much discussion it can spark from week to week.

It's just...come on people...TWO BENS???

[Edited on October 8, 2006 at 8:57 AM. Reason : They're even calling him Benry Gale on other message boards, you people can't be this far behind.]

10/8/2006 8:55:56 AM

1 Ben.. 1 plane crash..

you are all dumb as fuck to still be debating this on SUNDAY

10/8/2006 11:58:34 AM

I had a dream about Henry Gale last night.

Seriously.

We saw the plane crash and were talking about how fucking obvious it is that there was only one plane crash.

SERIOUSLY.

[Edited on October 8, 2006 at 12:09 PM. Reason : ]

10/8/2006 12:07:15 PM

wait...I missed something or I just forgot...how/when did ethan die?

10/8/2006 4:26:47 PM

charlie shot him back in season 1

10/8/2006 4:36:46 PM

Quote :

"ps wtf is going on in apex someone forgot to enter the code? "

bahaha indeed

10/8/2006 6:02:49 PM

ohhhh yeah! Forgot about that

10/8/2006 7:43:12 PM

word

10/9/2006 2:19:39 PM

Quote :

"wait...I missed something or I just forgot...how/when did ethan die?"

Charlie shot him about 6 times in season 1.

And yeah, this is starting to be a stupid thread. Out of all the Lost episodes, there was almost nothing special to find in the episode. No crossovers in the flashbacks, no subtle clues... it was just straightforward, and debating how many planes/Bens/the distance from the village to the campsites is a big waste of time.

10/9/2006 5:19:47 PM

The village is just an illusion made by the island!

10/9/2006 5:23:07 PM

^^Well there may have been a crossover in one of the flashbacks:

10/9/2006 5:40:00 PM