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"Yeah thats right. A lot of people were really ecstatic. I remember you, me, stone, and maybe a few others pointing out that our defense looked like shit and it was going to be a disappointing season. "

this is exactly what i was thinking while listening to the game last night...that exact game. We gave 20 pts to WCU, and you guys called it...

I can't believe we gave up 10 pts to App State. I didn't get to hear the whole game, but from what I heard, it sounded like the Mountaineers made some huge mistakes that cost them points too, and an ACC school isn't going to lay down like that...

I don't see how anyone can defend Stone now. Last season, alot was reported about how trestman ran practices like a pro team - 1st string QB got 80% of the snaps, backups got something like 10% each.

When Stone came in, the excuse (either from the coaching staff or the reporters, i don't recall) was that he didn't have a lot of experience taking snaps, since Jay was #1 for all the summer practices and half the season. Ok, he's had plenty of experience running the O in practice, has 7 starts under his belt, and only put up 36 yds against a D1-AA defense. I'd bet Chuck is tossing in his sleep all week...

that said, I think the best thing that could happen to Burke would be for him to keep the redshirt this season.

9/3/2006 3:26:22 PM

In App's defense I think they are 10 times more talented than Western was that year. I also think our DLine will be better than it was Rivers' senior year where we started 3 freshmen and a sophmore.

I didn't watch the game, so I can't say how we looked first hand (I listened on the radio). We sounded okay, but I'll reserve judgement on our D until we play a Div I-A school.

I'm more worried about the 44 or whatever passing yards we had vs. a I-AA school. Teams like FSU, BC, et.al. are going to eat us alive with shit like that



[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2006 3:29:26 PM

Quote :

"He has a cannon arm, a little mobility, ideal size, etc. The problem is that a college playbook looks like the periodic table of elements to Marcus and he can't get past Helium."

hahaha

Quote :

"and while it's hard to defend him after the App. game, isn't he the best we've got?"

since P. Riv left, there has always been the next great quarterback waiting in the wings, this same exact conversation took place when J. Davis was stinking up the joint...

9/3/2006 3:30:52 PM

Quote :

"He has a cannon arm, a little mobility, ideal size, etc. The problem is that a college playbook looks like the periodic table of elements to Marcus and he can't get past Helium.""

Aha... I just saw that.


Well, we've improved. Jay Davis couldn't get past Hydrogen

9/3/2006 3:32:20 PM

Jay could rip apart 1AA secondaries, though.

9/3/2006 3:33:23 PM

Jay could definetely pass better than Stone. Problem is... every third pass was to the other team.

Stone doesn't even try to throw.

[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 3:34 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2006 3:34:10 PM

When the ball is snapped he's a deer in headlights. He's like Homer or Peter Griffin, his mind just wanders and he can't remember who his #2 receiver is.... He KNOWS he's supposed to throw the ball but his instinct is just to tuck & run. Compare it to going to a bar with your girlfriend. You get wasted and you know you're not supposed to leave her at the table to go talk to other girls but you do it anyway.

9/3/2006 3:34:35 PM

Last night on 680, they were talking about a pass completion marcus had.

"Now there's something I've never seen from Marcus Stone. He went through his progression and threw to the #3 receiver. Last year he would have tucked and ran if his #1 receiver was covered"

9/3/2006 3:36:19 PM

Quote :

"When the ball is snapped he's a deer in headlights"

Quote :

"When the ball is snapped he's a deer in headlights"

Quote :

"When the ball is snapped he's a deer in headlights"

9/3/2006 3:41:17 PM

^^i remember the play that he went through his progressions. But he still looked like a deer in headlights on that play. he was seriously jumping around in the pocket like he had no time. But he had one of the largest pockets on that play of the night

9/3/2006 3:45:47 PM

Quote :

"Jay could definetely pass better than Stone. Problem is... every third pass was to the other team."

The problem is, that our offense would be much better off with someone who at least poses a passing threat than Stone.

People can bash Jay Davis all they want, but at least he wasn't afraid to throw the ball and could keep defenses at least remotely honest.

Since, you know, someone had to be in the secondary to catch the interception.

9/3/2006 3:47:29 PM

we didnt "collapse" in 02. we met 3 tough teams and lost. we got screwed in the gt game (that terrance holt pick was inbounds) then everyone was hurt for uva (jericho ta and somebody else i forgot) i thought jericho was still out of the maryland game and ta definatly threw that game away. but it was something about if maryland made the fg in the first place we wouldve won. something about maryland missing a field goal ended up making them win.

9/3/2006 4:31:37 PM

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"People can bash Jay Davis all they want, but at least he wasn't afraid to throw the ball and could keep defenses at least remotely honest. "

But at least Marcus Stone is 6-1..i agree stone isnt that good but jay davis was awful

9/3/2006 4:48:43 PM

were the penalites down compared to last year?

9/3/2006 4:49:34 PM

i wonder what jay davis record wouldve been with andre brown in the backfield

^waaaay down

[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 4:51 PM. Reason : as i state earlier in this thread only 1 or 2]

9/3/2006 4:50:49 PM

there was a false start or two, and a hold on a long andre brown run, but no frustration dickhead penalties IIRC

[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 5:17 PM. Reason : hfds]

9/3/2006 5:17:38 PM

Yeah guys, it's obvious we were just making sure not to reveal our entire playbook to the mighty Akron Zips.......










we suck shit

9/3/2006 5:17:55 PM

yeah, 3 penalties for 20 yds. 2 false starts on the same drive, then the hold call.

9/3/2006 5:42:46 PM

The two things that concerned me the most, with the obvious exception of our passing game, were:

-Andre Brown seems to either be unwilling or incompetent at pass blocking
-The entire defense seemed to over-pursue, with the ends losing contain on every other play. I'm not sure if that will fly against a team with a mobile quarterback or a talented misdirection game.

[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 5:55 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2006 5:52:57 PM

oh man the defense is the least of my worries. anyone know how many o-line commits we have for next year? burke and beck competing for qb, can't wait.

9/3/2006 5:56:09 PM

so i saw that one set of pics but i want to see like a picture of the full stadium or 3/4 of it atleast...need a new wallpaper

9/3/2006 6:54:33 PM

the team was holding back, look to see them really explode once we arent playing these weak teams.

9/3/2006 6:56:27 PM

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"-The entire defense seemed to over-pursue, with the ends losing contain on every other play. I'm not sure if that will fly against a team with a mobile quarterback or a talented misdirection game"

ASU uses a gameplan much like Wake Forest... it's lots of misdirection will punish overpursuing defenses.

As I said, I couldn't watch the game, but they were great prep for Wake Forest and we probably won't see another team with that type of offense aside from Wake

The reason we probably looked like we overpursued is becuase that's what they design it for...shouldn't be as huge of a problem vs. traditional offenses

9/3/2006 7:06:03 PM

I'm a big supporter of Chuck, but I got a bad feeling last night watching his press conference on the news. The portion they aired had him talking about how last year everyone wanted him to run the ball, and yesterday they asked him about the passing game. Despite being cliche, I'd much rather hear him say something to the effect of "We're a long way from where we want to be. We have a lot of work to do," etc. etc.

9/3/2006 9:03:28 PM

from what I have heard, when a coach is giving the play to Stone, Stone walks away half way threw th play call because he already knows what play is going to be called.

Stone's knowledge of the offense isnt the problem, its the execution.

And be fair, we are a running team now. We shouldnt alot of yards when throwing is secondary. From what I remember, I dont think we threw more than a handful of passes the entire game though.

9/3/2006 9:19:36 PM

It's a sad state of affairs for NC State football when the fans are wishing we still had Jay Davis.

9/3/2006 9:22:11 PM

^^well that means that when we do pass we better be damn good at it and it must be a serious threat


not this chicken shit 44 yards on 2 yard ding passes....kinda like texas tech is a passing machine, but when they run they get somethign out of it

no being a running team does not make this shit acceptable

9/3/2006 9:25:13 PM

Quote :

"The starting quarterback at State doubles as a barber. "It started out as just buzz cuts," Stone said. "But I think it was John Ritcher who said his hair was so long he didn't care, and he told me I could try to a fade to whatever style he was going to have. He said if I messed up, he would just buzz it. So, I just practiced a couple of times and started getting really good at it. I started cutting a few heads here and there, but it's nothing real serious." Now, he said he cuts his teammates' hair at no charge whenever they want. And they seem to trust him. "Yeah, yeah, I trust him," Lowery said with a smile. "No problems at all." Amato even said he would let his quarterback cut his hair. "Yeah, of course I'd let him," Amato said. "And sure, I'd cut his hair - with a knife.""

hmm... http://tinyurl.com/pqaq4

9/3/2006 9:51:15 PM

Quote :

"The problem is that a college playbook looks like the periodic table of elements to Marcus and he can't get past Helium. "

hahahahahahahha classic rallydurham

9/3/2006 10:45:56 PM

^best analogy i've heard in a while.

9/3/2006 11:10:24 PM

Quote :

"Stone's knowledge of the offense isnt the problem, its the execution."

Again (Broken record here)... I couldn't see the game, but based on last year I'll say Stone sucks tremendously becuase of the Offensive Line. Mike Barry was terrible.

Did they look better Saturday?

In Stone's defense, he doesn't lose the game for us. I hate to bash the guy... he tries his damndest, I just wish he'd get a little confidence in himself... get a little time from the OLine, and be a halfway effective passer.

The physical tools are all there.

[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 11:21 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2006 11:20:02 PM

no, the o-line was just as bad as last year. the only 'running game' we had was when they'd run it around the side, very few yards up the middle.

however, even when stone did have time.. he was bad.

9/3/2006 11:22:25 PM

Quote :

"I haven't seen someone throw for 44 yards since 1988 when I played my sister in '10 yard fight' on the Original NES."

funniest shit i've read all day.

9/3/2006 11:22:27 PM

^ Gotta go with the helium quote over that one

9/3/2006 11:24:43 PM

Quote :

"Did they look better Saturday?"

They looked a shitton better than Stone did.

9/4/2006 12:45:01 AM

^ yea, I mean its not like the defense was getting to Stone. I think he was sacked once...he is just a terrible quarterback. He had a nice touchdown-stopping tackle tho...maybe we should try him out on defense.

9/4/2006 12:50:05 AM

Actually, baker made quite a few yards up the middle when he was in. App state might have been worn down by then, though

9/4/2006 12:55:27 AM

^ oh yea, for the most part they were doing their jobs at blocking...there were maybe a few times when it would have been beneficial to give Stone some more time to pass but he prob would have still screwed it up. I just wish he would have some confidence in himself

9/4/2006 12:57:59 AM

Quote :

""He has a cannon arm, a little mobility, ideal size, etc. The problem is that a college playbook looks like the periodic table of elements to Marcus and he can't get past Helium.""

This is hilarious, but i'm not sure i'd give him Helium.. i'd say Hydrogen

9/4/2006 1:01:05 AM

Quote :

"But at least Marcus Stone is 6-1..i agree stone isnt that good but jay davis was awful"

Last year the very first game that awful Jay Davis threw for 300+ yards and nearly led us to a victory over a top-10 team and defending ACC champs. IIRC he was the only QB to throw for more than even 200 yards on them. Only imagine if Andre Brown could see the field in that game that day. Stone would not have seen the field at all last year except in mop-up duty.

What I don't understand is people are backing Marcus after this performance and yet people would bash Jay no matter what.

I would much rather our QB throw downfield and throw a pick than him to run on 3rd and 10. I mean at least with the throw there is a CHANCE that we get a 1st down. When he runs on 3rd down it ASSURES us that we will be punting.

I am not going to look up the numbers but by % of passes, I would be willing to bet that Stone throws more INTs than Jay did.

9/4/2006 1:26:52 AM

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"I would much rather our QB throw downfield and throw a pick than him to run on 3rd and 10. I mean at least with the throw there is a CHANCE that we get a 1st down. When he runs on 3rd down it ASSURES us that we will be punting. "

ahahaha, what does this have to do with jay? Jay threw screens that got picked off and led to TDs. He also was notorious for throwing the ball short on 3rd down or TD situations. You do remember that we sucked balls in the red zone, right?

revisionist history at its finest. You don't have to suck Jay's dick, faggot, to prove that stone is bad.

9/4/2006 1:33:32 AM

to be honest jay would have looked much better if he had andre brown running the ball. just like people think stone is the man, while he completed an avg of 1 pass per first half last year

i mean come on, the guy tried out for the tampa bay bucs and iirc, gruden said a few nice things about him, he can't be THAT bad.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 1:49 AM. Reason : hfds]

9/4/2006 1:35:27 AM

i think they're both bad, not going to lie.

BURN THAT REDSHIRT, JUSTIN BURKE.

9/4/2006 1:59:37 AM

i4

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 2:41 AM. Reason : 4]

9/4/2006 2:40:53 AM

http://media.libsyn.com/media/packpride/BrownHitASU.wmv

Andre Brown is a beast!

9/4/2006 12:11:04 PM

its really a shame he came here. imagine what this guy could be doing with a decent oline and a any passing game.

9/4/2006 12:16:11 PM

Remember that play against UNC where davis barely got the ball to the endzone in the final seconds and everyone was just sitting there waiting for it and knocked it down?


Remember that drive against wake when Baker broke a 40 yard run and Davis fucked it up by underthrowing his receiver (one on one) in the endzone and got picked?


Remember his 3 picks against VT?


Remember countless other plays where Davis didnt have the arm strength to make a play?


And then remember Stone coming in and throwing a pass against Wake from the 45 or 50 yard line that went into the endzone for a touchdown?

Then the next drive he catches Brian Clark down the sideline for another 25 plus yard gain?



My point is, that Stone posed a DEEP threat (not passing in general, just deep), which backed defenses up for Andre letting him find some open field. Andre would not have been as good with Davis because after the VT game, teams just stacked the box. They only backed up when Stone came in, just because they didnt want to give up the big play.

I'm not saying that Stone is a better quarterback than Davis, because I personally think they both suck asshole, but Stone was different from davis and his style fit this team better.



[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 12:19 PM. Reason : BTW....stone missed some receivers early in the game, but our line sucked dick in pass protection.]

9/4/2006 12:17:10 PM

Stone no longer poses a threat because Jay Davis is gone

Stone is a better player than Jay was, but Jay was a better quarterback

Right now we need a quarterback like presence in our offence

This years offensive scenario is worse than last seasons because Stone doesn't have another mediocre player to fall back on

He's just Stone, so defenses know what to expect by now

and when the defenses figure out how to stop Brown, Stone's going to turn into Jay 2.0

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 12:23 PM. Reason : and i'll totally agree that o-line doesn't help anyone, except toney baker when we run a trap play]

9/4/2006 12:22:14 PM

Quote :

"I would much rather our QB throw downfield and throw a pick than him to run on 3rd and 10. I mean at least with the throw there is a CHANCE that we get a 1st down. When he runs on 3rd down it ASSURES us that we will be punting."

dumbest quote ever

i would much rather have Stone running for yards and controlling the clock and turnover battle than Jay throwin a pick and having it ran back for a TD every time. I will stay with the offense like it is.

I looked at the video from some games last year and I have looked at the App State games, Marcus last year would stare down one reciever and if he wasnt open run it...in the app state games he was going through his routes and check offs as well as knowing if the coverage was tehre to throw it away. The problem it seems its that he has an overload of info when hes going through the play like he gets nervous because there are too many options to pass to and doesnt want to screw it up. He can throw it downfield and I wish we would start letting him throw some deep balls once we see single man coverage downfield but I dont know when that may happen.

All in all hes improving and hes only a Junior so we will have a nother year with him at the reigns, best thing to do is hope he continues to improve and works the butterflies out, that INT he threw wasnt his fault, the reciever was taking Lamarts place on that play and it was a curl route that the wide out never did his come back on. I think once he gets used to playing again on teh field and learns to calm down in the pocket we will be good to go...we wont be peyton when it comes to a passing attack by any means, more like a Steelers run oriented offense with some small yardage passes and trickery.

with all that said I have TOTAL faith in Marc Trestman as I look at what he has done in the NFL with those QB's(gannon) and wha tI know he is capable of, so go Marcus and GO STATE!

9/4/2006 12:54:10 PM

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"and when the defenses figure out how to stop Brown, Stone's going to turn into Jay 2.0 "

agreed,


hopefully stone breaks out against Akron so this doesnt become the scenario, but I'm expecting the worst.





OH, and the play that pissed me off the most was late in the game on a 3rd and about 4 yards where Bowens was out wide against a defender playing 10 yards back from him in zone coverage. In this situation, Stone has to change the play at the line and have bowens catch a screen pass. This shows that Stone is still not reading defenses, even if he does understand the offense. Now we ran the ball on that play, but I would have loved to see him make that heads up play call at the line.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 12:59 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2006 12:56:13 PM