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"and julius hodge (all-american?). "

Julius was the #1 player in America out of H.S. (Well, #5 overall, but the top 4 went to the NBA)

That class was also ranked around 2-5 in the country (Depending on where you look)

[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 2:45 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2006 2:44:47 PM

scooter was the year before hodge

also simmons and brackman were 5 star players and grant was a 4 star, that class is better than this one (hickson 5 stars, smith 4 stars, thomas 3 stars)

not trying to downplay this recruit, its awesome, and even better that its happening so quick for lowe, it took sendeck 4 years or so to get a 5 star recruit

but its not better than any of his classes

[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2006 2:45:55 PM

thanks PackBacker for backing herb, for once. hahahaha

11/13/2006 2:46:05 PM

Scooter was not in Hodge's class. It was:
da Jules of Harlem
Levi Watkins
Jordan Collins
Josh Powell
Ilian Evtimov


IIRC, Herb's highest rated recruits were Damien Wilkins, Hodge, and Scooter.

11/13/2006 2:46:25 PM

simmons was a 4star. brack and grant were 3 stars.

last year was his best class. fells was a 5star. mccauley and costner were 4 stars.



grant and fells are sgs.



[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 2:50 PM. Reason : in 2001 we had the #12 recruiting class]

11/13/2006 2:48:22 PM

Quote :

"not trying to downplay this recruit, its awesome, and even better that its happening so quick for lowe, it took sendeck 4 years or so to get a 5 star recruit "

i agree its a great pickup, but lets be fair here. nc state was nothing when herb took over. lowe is able to recruit off 5 ncaa tournament appearances in a row. herb didnt have shit to recruit with when he first started.

its like comparing apples and oranges.

11/13/2006 2:48:25 PM

^^^^Hey...recruiting rankings mean nothing. It's all about how well you can develop them and utilize them.


I think NC State will always recruit well based on facilities/history/conference alone.

What's going to be interesting is to see how "the other guy" recruits without Harris.... by far his best recruiter. He was a helluva recruiter, but most of the top guys we landed were becuase of Harris. That guy is amazing.

Like everyone said... hats off to Lowe and staff. I expected this class to be much worse considering everyone else had a 3 month head start on us (maybe even a few years considering coaches start recruiting Juniors)

[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 2:49 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2006 2:49:01 PM

very true, not trying to downplay herb either, just saying that its good we wont have a lull in talent

and i was wrong, brackman was a 4 star (simmons was a 5 star and grant was a 4 star)

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=178&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&yr=2004

[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 2:50 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2006 2:49:43 PM

i don't think b-rack was a 5* basketball recruit. i remember seeing him with 4* and 3* stars. simmons definitely wasn't a 5*.

11/13/2006 2:49:55 PM

^^agreed

[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 2:50 PM. Reason : df]

11/13/2006 2:49:56 PM

Brackman was not a 5* bball recruit

I think ced was 4*

11/13/2006 2:49:59 PM

yay

11/13/2006 2:50:42 PM

yeah, i remember ced being a 4* and brack a 3*


i also don't think that Jules was the #1 player in the country his senior year.

11/13/2006 2:51:13 PM

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"(Well, #5 overall, but the top 4 went to the NBA)"

11/13/2006 2:51:52 PM

Kwame Brown was #1 overall. The other top 3-4 also went to the NBA. (I'm pretty sure I've got the right year on that one..Kwame Brown's class?)

I just remember per most recruiting services , Julius was the #1 player to attend college. He was like #5 or 6 overall



[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 2:55 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2006 2:53:30 PM

Look, you clown fuckers have been arguing the overall class ranking for a page now. Who gives a fuck, willis? We saw how well Herbivore developed players. Wait and see what Lowe can do before you blow your load. Idiots.

11/13/2006 2:53:45 PM

well, i dont remember him being that high either, but maybe just bad memory. I know he was a mcd's.

11/13/2006 2:53:47 PM

Quote :

"simmons was a 4star. brack and grant were 3 stars. last year was his best class. fells was a 5star. mccauley and costner were 4 stars. "

all wrong, according to scout:
simmons - 5 star
brackman - 4 star
grant - 4 star
fells - 4 star
costner - 5 star
mccauley - 4 star

im pretty sure herb was doing pretty well...

go back and look at who he wanted in 2002: gilchrist, pittsnogle, boggan (transferred to ok state)...

the list goes on and on. read up...

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=178&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&yr=2002

11/13/2006 2:54:56 PM

gotcha, i was looking at scout

there are some large difference b/w the two

11/13/2006 2:55:01 PM

what the hell is the point of posted a "who he wanted" list? everyone with any sense would be tied for first in such a list.

11/13/2006 2:56:38 PM

ok...who we tried to RECRUIT.

11/13/2006 2:57:24 PM

^,^^my thing came from rivals.

it only goes back to 02

fells 5
costner and mccauley 4
just about everyone else back to bennerman 3


im thinking hodge and powell were 5.

11/13/2006 2:57:27 PM

JUST BY THE NAME HE CAN TELL A BIG RECRUIT COME DO YO THANG

11/13/2006 2:58:58 PM

can someone post the packpride story associated with smith's commitment





[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ...]

11/13/2006 3:08:41 PM

^Love it!!!

11/13/2006 3:10:35 PM

thought you boys would like that photo. i'll be posting the rest from the pc later tonight on pp.

11/13/2006 3:12:56 PM

well post it here also b/c its US (TWW) against THEM (Prick Pride)

11/13/2006 3:13:39 PM

^deff. its gonna take forever to view them if they are on pp

11/13/2006 3:14:47 PM

LEAVE HERB ALONE ALREADY....FUCK.

He did what you all wanted and left.

But back on topic, GG on Tracy Smith, Go Sid!

11/13/2006 3:30:36 PM

bigger



redx?

11/13/2006 3:31:52 PM

geez can't we get this guy some AC?!

11/13/2006 3:32:47 PM

why is he sweating so bad

11/13/2006 3:33:02 PM

he's nervous. he's hopin lowe is a good college coach

11/13/2006 3:33:35 PM

Im just going to quote myself for superchevy since he obviously is an idiot or has a bad memory and all of the others who continue to hate on Herb after he left.

Quote :

"You have to respect the fact that Herb brought us back from really the dead and made us an ACC power again, but you know what he is gone....leave the man alone. He should get nothing but respect from our fans. He left when you people wanted him to."

11/13/2006 3:38:47 PM

Lowe is off to a flying start here recruiting wise, definitely. I wish he hung on to Chris Wright, but what can you do?

Since people decided once again to bring it up for some reason, Herb's class is Top 15, so obviously he is doing well too.

** Second most wins since 2001 in the ACC is nothing to scoff at. Hopefully Lowe can take over the solid foundation and put us over the top..

[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 3:43 PM. Reason : x]

11/13/2006 3:41:19 PM

Anyone have a link to the press conference that I can read?

11/13/2006 3:41:23 PM

herb made us an acc power??? really???


[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 3:43 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2006 3:42:39 PM

Quote :

"he's nervous. he's hopin lowe is a good college coach"

haha

11/13/2006 3:47:43 PM

Levi was the year before Hodge.

11/13/2006 3:48:41 PM

Damn I wish these boys could start playing right now just to have some one else sitting on the bench. No really, there's not enough people to fill up the bench.

11/13/2006 3:49:22 PM

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"Levi was the year before Hodge. "

no according to cstv.com:


2001 recruiting class
Name Pos Ht Wt Status Home State School Rank
Collins, Jordan C 6'10" 230 Signed Maryland North Carolina State Top 100
Edwards, Devonte G 6'1" 175 Signed North Carolina North Carolina State Super
Evtimov, Illian F 6'7" 215 Signed North Carolina State
Hodge, Julius G 6'5" 180 Signed New York North Carolina State Top 100
Powell, Josh F 6'9" 210 Signed Georgia North Carolina State Top 100
Watkins, Levi F 6'7" 235 Signed Maryland North Carolina State Top 100

[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 3:51 PM. Reason : d]

11/13/2006 3:51:23 PM

Quote :

"herb made us an acc power??? really??? "

how many ACC championship games did we go to
2nd place ACC Reg. season finish a few years ago
5 straight trips to the NCAA post season

i would say so
i grew up watching Jimmy V
attended NCSU during the Les Robinson Era
and really appreciated what Coach Sendek did for our program

11/13/2006 3:51:50 PM

Herb's gone folks.

He did a solid job here. I wouldn't call us an ACC 'power', but we were a solid program and he built us back at least to that.

Time to move on

11/13/2006 3:54:15 PM

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"how many ACC championship games did we go to"

2?

Quote :

"2nd place ACC Reg. season finish a few years ago"

yay! once in 10 years. what a power! also the only team that year in the acc to be swept by a horrible heels team (by their usual output).

Quote :

"5 straight trips to the NCAA post season"

4 prompt exits, and 1 decent run.


i appreciate what he did for the program too, but were certainly weren't a "power".

11/13/2006 3:55:10 PM

11/13/2006 3:56:16 PM

i get tired of the Herb debate also

11/13/2006 3:56:16 PM

3 championship games

11/13/2006 3:56:30 PM

^that means nothing

11/13/2006 3:57:13 PM

how many championship titles other than the bca?

11/13/2006 3:57:23 PM

how the hell did this turn into a Herb thread


I just hope this kid can somehow someway call up Mayo and be like listen kid, come run with me...

but this is a hell of a class coming in, amazing what Sid has done in this short amount of time, really it is...finally something to brag about.

Quote :

"Next year we won't have a true SG but then again we may not have to"

Ferguson is really a SG, not a PG...thats what he would rather play so we are set there.

11/13/2006 3:58:03 PM