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12/2/2006 10:42:18 PM

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"nope, besides Texas and Notre Dame there are not any other teams that they have played that are still ranked. But you see it doesnt matter because they didnt lose to any of these unranked teams, they stood up to every opponent on their schedule and beat them - usually badly"

michigan played wisconsin and gave them their only loss

12/2/2006 10:53:31 PM

the voters and presidents like michigan... the computers MIGHT take Florida...

12/2/2006 10:57:13 PM

they didnt lose to any of these unranked teams

wisconsin is ranked

12/2/2006 11:17:34 PM

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" michigan played wisconsin and gave them their only loss"

if you are hanging your hat on that, michigan could be in some trouble

12/2/2006 11:20:50 PM

I'm torn on who deserves this spot. I think Florida played the tougher schedule and did a pretty decent job most of the year. But I also think Michigan deserves a shot too.

Either way, I'm picking the challenger by a field goal

So, if Michigan goes to the NC, they win by a field goal
If Florida goes to the NC, the win by a field goal

That's my official prediction.

12/2/2006 11:26:32 PM

i have no clue who is better

based on the body of work, florida deserves it, and to argue that is proposterous

16 team playoff would really end all these stupid arguments though

12/2/2006 11:28:46 PM

if you think UF is winning anything by field goals you got another thing coming.

[Edited on December 2, 2006 at 11:29 PM. Reason : hetland is now 4 for 13]

12/2/2006 11:29:34 PM

urban meyer is a fucking dick...
its NOT about "michigan had their shot"

its fucking about... WHO IS THE 2nd best team in the country right now... let the voters decide that... you campaign like a fucking cunt

lloyd carr you are the classiest man around, well done on sportscenter sir

12/2/2006 11:57:41 PM

I thought UF maybe deserved a shot, but all I have heard come out of their mouths is about how the public wants to see a SEC team play the big 10 for the title and the public doesnt want a rematch etc etc. Well guess what the BCS isnt supposed to be about what the fuck the public wants to see, its about the 2 best teams so perhaps using an argument based off that would work better for you dumbasses.

12/3/2006 12:16:48 AM

I thought they said during the game that Florida had the #1 strength of schedule. If that's right, then there is no question they deserve a spot in the national championship.

And yes, Michigan already played Ohio State and lost, so I don't see why they should get a "second chance".

I really wish they'd let Michigan and Florida play to see who goes to the final game.

Personally I'm not a Florida fan but I think they deserve a shot at OSU. I think the game would be better than a OSU and Michigan re-match.

12/3/2006 12:20:10 AM

Meyer's right. Michigan had their shot. Ohio State won fair and square. There should NEVER be a rematch under the current system. Ohio State versus Michigan has ALREADY BEEN DECIDED. OSU vs. UF hasn't. I want to see if the SEC champions can get it done.

12/3/2006 12:26:40 AM

you must be new to this... michigan had to play in the horseshoe, thats a big deal... stick to basketball or croquet or something

12/3/2006 12:43:53 AM

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"so I don't see why they should get a "second chance"."

haha, attention MORONS! its not a SECOND CHANCE...
its about still being the 2nd best team in the country... im not saying they are, but it can strongly be argued more than florida...

12/3/2006 12:45:32 AM

Yeah if home field advantage meant absolutely nothing then UF gets the nod, but Im sorry playing in the horseshoe and losing a tight game by 3 points is a helluva lot different then playing on a neutral field in Arizona

12/3/2006 12:52:19 AM

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"attention MORONS! its not a SECOND CHANCE... its about still being the 2nd best team in the country... im not saying they are, but it can strongly be argued more than florida... "

12/3/2006 1:01:19 AM

there have been tons of times osu and michigan have played in the same bowl game - and they play every single year against each other during regualar season - what difference does it make this year?

I think it would be awesome for the biggest rivalry in the history of the sport to play in the NC, and have Michigan win.......that would keep the rivalry alive

And yes whoever wins the NC is the true champion, everyone knows it, and everyone agrees to it, regardless of what happened during the regular season.

12/3/2006 8:23:47 AM

ATTENTION TWW CROWD: IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH WE ARGUE... WE DON'T DECIDE. SO, LETS WAIT UNTIL TONIGHT, THEN YOU CAN ALL JUST SAY "I TOLD YOU SO" IF YOU WERE RIGHT.

Just post who you think it will be then end it. No need to explain yourself.

I say Michigan should go. That is all.

12/3/2006 8:36:18 AM

I agree with packguitar

the 2nd chance argument is absolutely absurd. There is no fucking way michigan should get punished for losing to the best team in the country and they really shouldnt have to get punished for losing later in the season than florida (but they will most likely).

Given the way the system is set up, florida should play ohio state, but this is based purely on strength of schedule and quality wins

16 team playoff ftw

12/3/2006 9:56:17 AM

see i agree with the 2nd half of the post. you arent punishing UM because they lost late or lost to #1, but just giving another team a chance because they had a harder schedule and came out with the same record.

12/3/2006 10:30:07 AM

I think Florida should go

12/3/2006 10:42:41 AM

16 8 team playoff ftw

each of the main six conference champions

-ACC
-Big East
-Big 10
-Big 12
-SEC
-Pac 10

and then two at large bids could be awarded by committee a la basketball

you know, for the notre dames of the world

12/3/2006 10:50:21 AM

I love how if you ask Michigan fans that game was really tight and could have gone either way. But if you ask neutral fans that watched the entire game it was a dominating performance. That last garbage TD at the end of the game took it from a double-digit win.

I'm not a Michigan or Florida fan, so I'm pretty un-bias here. I wanted to see Michigan pull off the upset, but after watching the first half of that game, I realized they had 0 chance of doing it. I've watched some Florida games and I think they might have a chance at beating OSU.

There is no way to determine who the BETTER team is unless they play each other. Michigan lost to OSU(#1), and Florida lost to a team that was ranked as high as #2 in Auburn. But Florida had a tougher strength of schedule and played good teams each and every week(aside from Western Carolina, haha).

If the two teams didn't play each other, then you really have to look at strength of schedule. I don't believe in looking at point totals and crap like that, some teams just don't like to run up the score and prefer to just run the ball when ahead by 10 points. It seems that's what impresses voters though, blow-outs. Florida beat FSU by 7 and people were saying that's a bad thing, which is just stupid.

12/3/2006 11:24:02 AM

I think playoffs should be 4 teams.

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"you must be new to this... michigan had to play in the horseshoe, thats a big deal"

I know it's a big deal, but away losses still count.

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"haha, attention MORONS! its not a SECOND CHANCE... its about still being the 2nd best team in the country... im not saying they are, but it can strongly be argued more than florida..."

I say it's about both. And I say if you get through the SEC with one loss, you probably deserve a shot.

12/3/2006 11:31:04 AM

a 4 team playoff is better than the bcs but its still a horrible solution

16 teams, i could maybe see 8

12/3/2006 12:28:11 PM

16 would be way too much. 8 should be the max.

12/3/2006 12:48:14 PM

you'd have to pare down the regular season, which i guess would be fine now with the 1-AA teams counting for wins

you just take them back off the schedule and pull off a "regular" game

the non-playoff non-bowl teams lose two games though, so that would really really cut into their budget, because you have to assume one of those games is a home game...and they probably lose a pay-off game because those would be the first thing teams would have to cut (since they can't cut rivalry or conference matchups)

so your playoffs would really hurt the midmajor teams, but who cares about them right?

and the best part about this is that its a bunch of ACC fans talking about "playoffs"

as if the acc isn't like 1-7 in bcs games

fuck playoffs

[Edited on December 3, 2006 at 2:45 PM. Reason : go gators]

12/3/2006 2:44:30 PM

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"let the voters decide that"

okay PackGuitar here you go:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061203/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_t25_college_fb_polls_1

12/3/2006 2:56:19 PM

16 isnt way too much for every other division of college football

12/3/2006 3:03:46 PM

^^ thats crap and everyone knows it

they're just trying to cover up for their screwed up system

12/3/2006 6:37:43 PM

their system?

dont they all hate that system?

12/3/2006 6:52:06 PM

didnt the ap pull out of the bcs like two years ago

12/3/2006 6:53:38 PM

yep

12/3/2006 7:04:56 PM

well its clear florida is goin now bc of them showing all the fans befoer the show

12/3/2006 7:52:52 PM

Very well written, and spot on:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2685195

12/3/2006 8:39:07 PM

his point about the losses is dumb. UF lost by 10 because they were trying to get a touchdown in the last 10 seconds of the game. lateralling the ball around in a rough attempt to score leading to a fumble isnt that impressive of a score by auburn.|

so yeah, we lost to auburn which ended at 9. that still isnt that terrible and the game was back and forth.

half way through and he hasnt convinced me much, except that auburn got screwed far worse than UM did.

[Edited on December 3, 2006 at 8:49 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2006 8:47:22 PM

Just for a sanity check...

Was I the only person in America that saw #7 on the USC defense throwing punches on the field on the drive right after UCLA intercepted (IIRC) to pretty much end the game? I think it was the second run play where the guy got stood up and pushed back. #7 got in a good 3 or 4 punches while he was pushing him back. I was surprised there was no personal foul called. Then again there was no personal foul called when the USC guy lowered his helmet to hit their QB as he was going out of bounds.

Meh, UCLA won despite the refs.

12/4/2006 7:59:34 AM

My gripe with the whole thing is why didn't all these voters think Florida was better than Michigan in last week's poll.

It's not like their win over Arkansas was that great. CBS' commentators themselves stated in the 3rd quarter that this is no longer a good game and had gone very sloppy.

11/27 Harris Poll

1. Ohio State 2850
2. USC 2711
3. Michigan 2614
4. Florida 2528

12/4 Harris Poll

1. Ohio State 2824
2. Florida 2670
3. Michigan 2632

11/27 Coaches' Poll

1. Ohio State 1575
2. USC 1491
3. Michigan 1445
4. Florida 1405

12/4 Coaches' Poll

1. Ohio State 1550
2. Florida 1470
3. Michigan 1444

If a voter thinks Florida is better than Michigan, so be it. But he should not think that just cause USC lost.

[Edited on December 4, 2006 at 8:14 AM. Reason : /]

12/4/2006 8:05:14 AM

Why are people still so set on winning your conference to play in the NC or playoffs? There's a reason the BCS doesn't require this and NCAA basketball did away with this 30 years ago... IT'S FUCKIN STUPID.

If you think requiring teams to be conference champs is a good idea just look back to the 1974 championship in basketball. The real championship game was the ACC championship with NCSU vs. Maryland, possibly the best two teams in the nation (ranked 1 and 4). But of course Maryland didn't even make it to the NCAA tourny because of the dumbass way of only inviting conference champs to the tourny.

Professional sports are the only ones that still have something similar to this but they have wildcard births and much smaller divisions instead of conferences (the actual conference champ is decided in a playoff of the divisions/wildcard). Another important part of professional sports is that division leaders are determined by their OVERALL record not their division/conference record. Also salary caping and revenue sharing etc are added to help the teams have more of a level playing field.

You shouldn't be penalized for being in an elite conference or having the top team in your conference and thats exactly what the requirement does.

12/4/2006 12:01:04 PM

see, all that bias happened just cause they didn't want a rematch... this should do away with the bcs!!!

12/4/2006 12:31:39 PM

"we should get to play ohio state again cause we only lost by 3" :cry: :cry: " we are big bad michigan, we should play for the national championship" :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: "we shouldnt have to win our conference" :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: "JIM TRESSEL AND THE BUCKEYES OWN US" :cry: :cry: :cry:

12/4/2006 12:44:41 PM

Jim Rome was saying Lloyd Carr is now 2-8 in his last 10 'big games.' Lost 4 out of the last 5 bowl games. Lost 4 out of the last 5 Ohio State games.

V yeah, didn't have any real thread to put that but I was surprised. I guess as a State fan I'd kill for that 'lack of success' since it would mean we would actually be PLAYING big games..

[Edited on December 4, 2006 at 12:51 PM. Reason : x]

12/4/2006 12:47:10 PM

well Jim Rome is correct

12/4/2006 12:49:35 PM

^^^ you must support the BCS system i guess... sad

12/4/2006 12:50:49 PM

UM beat much easier opponents and lost to a insanely good one

UF beat much harder opponents and lost to a semi-good one


UF wins out by having a much harder schedule. additionally, no coach is gonna vote for a rematch of a game that has already happened....


if USC had won they would have been in instead of UF


UF vs OSU, should be a good one....

stfu with the whining it's not gonna change shit now...

(i agree about getting rid of the BCS though, but no sense in complaining about it after the fact)

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"8 team playoff ftw each of the main six conference champions -ACC -Big East -Big 10 -Big 12 -SEC -Pac 10 and then two at large bids could be awarded by committee a la basketball"

agree, lets the few indy's and the smaller conferences a legit shot at the title.

12/4/2006 12:55:30 PM

^this is why we need educated people doing things in sports

how many times did every espn analyst say "michigan was clearly the better team than florida"

it's about the 2nd best team should play, not that florida has a CASE to play... i think any "whining" thats goin on is no one can get it through their heads and admit michigan is better than florida

12/4/2006 12:58:19 PM

12/4/2006 1:00:45 PM

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"how many times did every espn analyst say "michigan was clearly the better team than florida""

Quit making shit up you homer. Lou Holtz and Mark May both said they got it right.

^LMAO

[Edited on December 4, 2006 at 1:01 PM. Reason : ^]

12/4/2006 1:01:21 PM

i didn't hear it at all anytime after the UF won the sec...

12/4/2006 1:10:05 PM

12/4/2006 1:14:01 PM