BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
I need someone to die 4/29/2007 10:02:21 PM |
joepeshi All American 8094 Posts user info edit post |
I would have let it slide, but then he stepped in it.
Looks like some head are gonna roll next week. 4/29/2007 10:03:37 PM |
toemoss All American 2950 Posts user info edit post |
Tony Soprano said Phillip Rivers had a hairline fracture...I sure hope he's ok 4/29/2007 10:30:35 PM |
Saddamizer Suspended 5294 Posts user info edit post |
It would have been funnier if he threw the shit at the other kids
and lol at Sil "I heard he went in the litter box, ate some cat shit?" 4/29/2007 10:52:13 PM |
bmoney117 All American 2381 Posts user info edit post |
worst episode ever. worse than the episode where tony dreams for 45 minutes. 4/29/2007 11:29:39 PM |
coppertop wolpfack! 1803 Posts user info edit post |
^ nah, it was def. not that bad.... It was alright, I must admit with all the stuff they brought up from the past at the beginning I thought we'd see a lot more action... It is good tho to see how various charecters are being dealt with slowly one at a time. Gotta start getting nervous for those who have been ignored... like christopher! 4/29/2007 11:33:31 PM |
HUR All American 17732 Posts user info edit post |
that episode was kinda lame 4/30/2007 12:13:24 AM |
scm011 All American 2042 Posts user info edit post |
this season has been garbage 4/30/2007 8:22:38 AM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
chris had an insightful line last night...i wish i could remember it. 4/30/2007 8:44:29 AM |
Mr E Nigma All American 5450 Posts user info edit post |
i was hoping someone would beat that creepy kid. 4/30/2007 8:50:59 AM |
El Nachó special helper 16370 Posts user info edit post |
http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/04/sopranos_rewind_chasing_it.html
Quote : | "Sopranos Rewind: Chasing It Posted by Alan Sepinwall April 30, 2007 4:24AM Categories: The Sopranos
WARNING: This column contains major plot spoilers for last night's "Sopranos" episode.
And the inner circle draws tighter draws tighter.
Each episode of this season has seen Tony driving a wedge between himself and a trusted ally -- first Bacala, then Chris, then Paulie and now Hesh, whose friendly $200,000 bridge loan last week turned ugly once Tony realized Hesh actually expected him to repay it.
We've had hints in recent episodes that Tony was gambling too much, but episode four, "Chasing It," has him in full-on Davey Scatino mode, losing big at every game he tries: horses, roulette, blackjack, football, everything short of jai alai or an Oscar pool.
Carmela finally sells the spec house (to cousin Brian, a sign the house wasn't a hot attraction) and Tony immediately wants to put a chunk of the profit on a Jets-Chargers game. When she refuses and Tony wins less than he otherwise might have, he explodes, laying hands on Carm for the first time since "Whitecaps" and dismissing her familiar fears about financial security by screaming, "When I'm gone, you can live in a (bleepin') dumpster for all I care!"
This is dangerous behavior by Tony, who has historically resisted most of the vices available to him. He doesn't use drugs like Chris or Ralphie, and he had nothing but contempt for Davey when Davey lost his business. Now he's paying a vig to Hesh? What's happening?
For the answer, you may have to look to the scene after Hesh rejects Tony's boat show invitation. Carlo, in Tony's doghouse for his failure to run the Family construction business as profitably as Vito, mentions an old "Twilight Zone" episode featuring a thug named Valentine. Tony cuts him off, but Carlo's apparently referring to "A Nice Place to Visit," an episode about Rocky Valentine, who dies during a robbery and wakes up in an afterlife where his every wish is granted. Every woman wants him, everybody thinks he's wonderful and every bet he makes is a winner. Eventually, Rocky grows so tired of what he assumes to be Heaven that he asks to go to "the other place," only to be told, "This is the other place."
Tony's existence isn't quite Rocky Valentine's, but it's close. He's been boss of North Jersey for nearly a decade, can do whatever he wants or order someone to do it for him -- and still he's not happy. So he's sabotaging himself, just to make something different happen.
He's looking for disaster around every corner, maybe even expecting it. He won't get The Star-Ledger from the driveway out of some paranoid fantasy, assumes all his confidants are out to get him and, after years of living slightly beyond his means, is simply throwing money away on gambling.
Several times, we see Tony win big, then immediately lose it all on another bet. Making up with Carmela after their fight, he notes that the odds on surviving Junior's gunshot were so lousy that, "If you look at it big picture-wise, I'm up. Way up." And he'll squander that advantage too if he can. He can't help himself, maybe doesn't even want, deep down, to enjoy his victories. He's trying to get to the other place, see if that's more satisfying.
Years ago, he described Davey Scatino as "the happy wanderer," envied how Davey could always have a smile on his face even when he was losing. Where Davey's default expression was a slightly bewildered grin, more and more, Tony is scowling. He's either killed or alienated all of his real friends, and even his relationship with Melfi is in danger. She's finally recognized that, with the panic attacks gone, he doesn't view this as therapy so much as "an oasis in my week," and she won't stand for that.
As Tony tries to see if misery will make him happier, other characters suffer without even working at it. Hesh's younger girlfriend Renata dies unexpectedly in her sleep -- which ironically saves Hesh's life, since Tony takes pity on him and pays off the debt. Vito's widow Marie tries to get 100 grand from Tony to move troubled son Vito Jr. -- who, like A.J., gets expelled from school for relieving himself in something other than a toilet -- to a new home in Maine, but Tony blows the money on another football bet and instead forces Marie to send Vito Jr. to a boot camp. (Tony doesn't care about Marie's concerns about corporal punishment, so long as the price tag is smaller.)
I should make some mention of the cameo appearances by Bing customers Muhammed and Ahmed. For a long time, I've been dismissing their presence, and Agent Harris' attempts to turn Chris or Tony into anti-terrorism deputies, as one final tease by David Chase, something to spin the audience's wheels without taking them anywhere. But the fact that the show keeps coming back to them -- this time, Tony is uncomfortable seeing them in the presence of so many Arab-American men in more traditional dress, rather than just as two lowlifes who frequent the Bing -- makes me wonder if I'm underthinking this.
A key theme of this season has been the unintended consequences of seemingly minor events. Who even remembered that Tony dropped a gun in the snow when he was running from Johnny Sack's house, let alone imagined that he'd be arrested for it? Who still cared about the money Carm stole out of the duck feed, or the HUD scam that cousin Brian gave to Tony and Ralphie?
I'm not expecting The Russian to come back (even though Tony's still laundering money through Russian mob boss Slava) or Melfi's rapist. But, as Chris so aptly put it while discussing Vito's death, actions these characters take are "Like a pebble in a lake. Even the fish feel it." If Tony's going to have a downfall brought on by external forces, maybe it'll be a ripple from obscure characters like Muhammed and Ahmed, or this truck-hijacking deal with the Cubans from Miami, or, hell, the HMO hustle Tony tried way back in the pilot.
All I knows is that it feels like the giant piano Carmela talked about isn't just hanging over Tony's head, but everyone's. There may not be a lot of carnage (outside of Renata's peaceful passing, this was a completely bloodless hour), but doom is coming.
Some other thoughts on "Chasing It":
-A question that's come up several times in e-mails and chats: Is Blanca pregnant? It would explain both her moodiness at the "Cleaver" premiere and those odd looks she kept flashing at the news that cousin Brian is having a baby. But if so, why would she give back the engagement ring? If there is a baby, maybe it isn't A.J.'s?
-Is it just me, or is Bacala a changed man since the Canadian hit in the premiere? For the first time, he seems like an unapologetic tough guy, particularly when he encouraged Tony to ignore the debt to Hesh.
-The more screen time Marie gets, the more distracting it is that she's played by Lorraine Bracco's sister.
-In one scene, Sil is gluing together a busted lamp in the Satriale's office, and a few minutes later we see why, when Tony trashes the Bing office after losing a big football bet. When you work for Tony, furniture repair is a mandatory skill.
-So Frank Sinatra Jr. played in the Executive Game against Davey, and now Nancy Sinatra serenades Phil at his coronation dinner (with, appropriately, "Bossman"). Is it too late for a Tina cameo?
-Due to outside circumstances, next week's Sopranos Rewind may not get done in time for the Monday print edition, online, or both. If that's the case, we'll put a notation in both the paper and the Sopranos blog explaining exactly when and where you'll be able to find it. Sorry for the potential inconvenience, but as Nancy's old man said, that's life.
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at asepinwall@starledger.com " | ]4/30/2007 9:16:21 AM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""Like a pebble in a lake. Even the fish feel it."" |
that's it! awesome line.4/30/2007 9:24:10 AM |
mrlebowski All American 9310 Posts user info edit post |
it was painful to watch Tony spiral out of control like that. I couldn't believe he was fucking with Hesh. 4/30/2007 9:57:59 AM |
Saddamizer Suspended 5294 Posts user info edit post |
I liked Chris whenever Meadow Gold lost
Quote : | "By a cunt hair, Tone" |
Also, I kind of agree with this guy
Quote : | " And I'm sorry, but there are five episodes left of the most seminal cable television series in the history of mankind -- do we really need to be focusing on some goth kid, and ancillary characters like A.J.'s girlfriend and ... what's his name? Hesh?
I repeat, THERE ARE FIVE EPISODES LEFT, PEOPLE! Is this the best they can do?? " |
[Edited on April 30, 2007 at 10:44 AM. Reason : x]4/30/2007 10:30:43 AM |
mrlebowski All American 9310 Posts user info edit post |
^I'd like to think there's a reason for what they're showing us. There always is. 4/30/2007 10:51:05 AM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
- that inspection guy was the dude from the cingular commercial -- the one playing opposite the Azn fellow.
- i wonder if Tony will bwn Marie.
- all the PR flags on the X-Terra, the little chin strap facial hair, and the reggaeton -- LOL
- Meadow keeps getting hotter and hotter. 4/30/2007 12:18:16 PM |
gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
i thought that this episode was pretty damn good
you have to read into the subtleness of all the small stuff into play and how all the seasons are really tying up 4/30/2007 12:56:43 PM |
thegoodguy All American 1118 Posts user info edit post |
I liked last night's episode too. It was a little disturbing to see Tony so out of control though - especially when he tried talking Carmela into gambling part of her spec house profits. Did anyone else catch when Tony told Vito, Jr. he was going about in pity of himself? 4/30/2007 1:24:01 PM |
mrlebowski All American 9310 Posts user info edit post |
^yep
Tony is in full-on self destruct mode
and yeah, I noticed the guy from the phone commercial too. 4/30/2007 3:12:21 PM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
Other than Chris' line, AJ proposing and then rejected by Blanca, I was a bit bored, but not disappointed...and I've loved the past 3 episodes.
but with AJ's rejection...I'm calling a suicide. Between that preview last night and an earlier preview with a quick clip of Tony, Carmella and Meadow hugging in what appears to be a hospital hallway...yep...suicide. 4/30/2007 3:12:41 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
about damn time 4/30/2007 3:30:25 PM |
Duck All American 4708 Posts user info edit post |
^^ good call. something HAS to happen to AJ, i'm fairly certain 4/30/2007 6:07:36 PM |
mbguess shoegazer 2953 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " "Walk Like a Man"[4] Terence Winter Tim Van Patten May 6, 2007[2] 82 AJ struggles with depression; Kelli's dad is the unwitting catalyst of a new feud between Christopher and Paulie. " |
Quote : | ""Kennedy and Heidi" Matthew Weiner and David Chase Alan Taylor May 13, 2007[2] 83 An asbestos-disposal impasse raises tensions between Jersey and New York; Tony has a revelation; Paulie gets upstaged " |
Quote : | " "The Second Coming" Terence Winter Tim Van Patten May 20, 2007[2] 84 Phil turns down Tony's offer of compromise; AJ despairs about the world and his future; Tony takes umbrage over an affront to Meadow. " |
Quote : | " "The Blue Comet" Terence Winter Tim Van Patten June 3, 2007[2] 85 Plot to be announced. " |
Quote : | "To Be Announced David Chase[5] David Chase[5] June 10, 2007[2] 86 Plot to be announced. " |
4/30/2007 11:42:41 PM |
mbguess shoegazer 2953 Posts user info edit post |
also is it possible the arabs are working for the feds? and the agents being transferred to terrorism is just a lie to throw tony off? 4/30/2007 11:45:37 PM |
MyFilosofy All American 628 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "an earlier preview with a quick clip of Tony, Carmella and Meadow hugging in what appears to be a hospital hallway...yep...suicide." |
Fuck yeah. I was telling my friends AJ is doomed because I saw that clip in the early trailers and they were telling me I was crazy. I fucking knew it.4/30/2007 11:45:39 PM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
This entire show has been a tradegy, I would expect no less of its finale. 5/1/2007 12:00:29 AM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
yes, it's been very tradegic 5/1/2007 12:04:02 AM |
SipnOnSyzurp All American 8923 Posts user info edit post |
that gambling subplot was just way too out of nowhere for me
there wasn't any buildup at all (in previous eps) to the climax when tony and carm had the fight
that argument was well acted, though 5/1/2007 5:51:35 PM |
Cif82 All American 10455 Posts user info edit post |
Glad to see two more Terence Winter episodes. 5/1/2007 6:07:30 PM |
mrlebowski All American 9310 Posts user info edit post |
^^I totally agree 5/1/2007 9:47:14 PM |
Kay_Yow All American 6858 Posts user info edit post |
Not nearly as funny without Daddy Yankee playing in background.
5/2/2007 1:07:21 AM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
there's been buildup for a couple episodes. tony borrowed the money in a previous episode.
also, i doubt aj offs himself. maybe he tries, but as much of a fuckup as he is i doubt he even gets that right. 5/2/2007 1:28:02 AM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
Personally at first I kinda suspected either Christopher or Paulie were going to be killed, and they still might, but while Tony is losing his ass gambling the Chris and Paulie problems take a backseat. I think the Junior storyline may have wrapped at the rest home fight.
Look at it like this, we KNOW something is gonna happen. A whopper of a tragic plot twist, and on this series thats almost always someone getting killed. SO lets look at where we are. Tony's NY counterpart John is dead and gone, he is losing patience with two of his closest guys, his gambling losses are getting out of control. Even so, I dont think if his son was to kill himself that it would be enough for a tragic finale. Hell I dont even think Carmella's death would be enough, I think maybe Chris goes to the feds after all. His help would seal the fed's case, and the Soprano's world would come crashing down, Carm might leave Tony for good, hell then Anthony Jr. might commit suicide- who knows. I wouldnt mind seeing Phil and Paulie kill each other off.... one thing's for sure, the last episode had better be the best series finale I have ever seen. I havent finished watching all of Six Feet Under yet but from what I have seen HBO usually doesnt dissapoint. 5/2/2007 4:16:50 AM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Even so, I dont think if his son was to kill himself that it would be enough for a tragic finale." |
oh definitely not...but i think something like this may lead to another Tony revelation like "like is a gift" that would cause for the big finish.
[Edited on May 2, 2007 at 9:28 AM. Reason : ]5/2/2007 9:28:42 AM |
Restricted All American 15537 Posts user info edit post |
Blanca would fucking get it 5/3/2007 9:50:10 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
fer shizzle
5/3/2007 10:15:06 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
awww geez
emo AJ 5/6/2007 9:05:14 PM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I think maybe Chris goes to the feds after all." |
5/6/2007 10:03:48 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
I <3 Cara Buono 5/6/2007 10:09:21 PM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
man, tony doesnt fuck around
Sawed off shotgun. Sucks that he only had two shots 5/6/2007 10:24:14 PM |
Mr E Nigma All American 5450 Posts user info edit post |
BOOM! headshot 5/6/2007 10:43:48 PM |
bmoney117 All American 2381 Posts user info edit post |
that episode saved the season 5/6/2007 11:45:39 PM |
coppertop wolpfack! 1803 Posts user info edit post |
nah, Chris isn't going to the feds, no way... Through out the series the writers will have you set up for one thing and another happens... Didin't it look like Adriana and chris were going to the feds before?
nah, something is going to happen with chris, just not sure yet what. He's pretty pissed about them bustin his balls at the party. 5/7/2007 12:02:09 AM |
HUR All American 17732 Posts user info edit post |
i was hoping him and chris would get into a fight 5/7/2007 12:11:21 AM |
Mr E Nigma All American 5450 Posts user info edit post |
that was awesome when chris shot that guy in the head. that was one of the best scenes of the series cause i wasnt expecting it. 5/7/2007 8:58:46 AM |
mrlebowski All American 9310 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, great episode. They've been building up this whole christopher storyline the whole season, whether he was in the episode or not. Chris is not happy with Tony, that's for sure. 5/7/2007 9:28:06 AM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
great fucking episode. 5/7/2007 9:32:58 AM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Sopranos Rewind: Walk Like a Man Posted by Alan Sepinwall May 07, 2007 4:05AM Categories: The Sopranos WARNING: This column contains major plot spoilers for last night's "Sopranos" episode.
"Everything turns to (excrement)," laments Tony.
Funny how often he's the reason for that.
Episode Five, "Walk Like a Man," follows the pattern of the Junior/Paulie episode "Remember When," constructing parallel narratives about Tony's biological son (A.J.) and the person he's always treated like a son (Chris). Where "Remember When" was about the pain of growing old alone, "Walk Like a Man" showed the psychological toll of being related, by blood or by bond, to the Family in general and Tony in particular.
A.J. and Chris have both inherited unfortunate traits from their fathers: Tony's depression and Dickie's substance abuse. (Tony, naturally, goes about in pity for himself about the former and has no interest in hearing about the latter.) Both are dealing with their problems in their own way - A.J. by curling up into a weepy little ball, Chris by avoiding the Bing - but Tony doesn't have patience for any coping mechanism that doesn't involve living up to the episode's title. Chris may have a handle on his problem, but he didn't take the Gary Cooper approach, and Tony dislikes him for it.
(Tony's also, as he was when Janice's anger management therapy was briefly working, jealous to see someone getting better when he never does. Witness his frustration when Chris calls him about Paulie trashing his lawn and verbally closes off any avenue Tony might have to yell at him.)
Tony may have a point about the face-to-face nature of the business they have chosen, but he's also the one who guilted Chris into drinking some of that wine they stole from the bikers last year. And, sure, there are better ways for A.J. to get over Blanca than watching bad James Franco movies, but what does Tony expect when A.J. has been pampered his entire life? He and Carmela (who was happy about the break-up because of "the culture divide") are awful parents, maybe not Livia and Johnny Boy-level, but terrible at meeting A.J.'s needs in good times and bad.
Chris may have his problems with spelling and grammar, but he's not stupid. He can see that Bacala has taken his place in the inner circle - at the barbecue, Tony and Bobby discuss business over two cold ones, naturally - and he knows that his problems with Paulie wouldn't be nearly as bad if the two could go out for steak and a shot.
So he goes off the wagon again and sees the other wiseguys for what they really are: a pack of cackling animals who take pleasure in other people's misery. He goes to his old AA buddy/punching bag J.T. Dolan for comfort, but J.T. wants no part of Chris' revenge fantasies about turning rat, or of Chris wallowing in self-pity. As he says to Chris, with such force that Chris puts a bullet between J.T.'s eyes in response, "You're in the Mafia!" J.T. means that he, as a civilian, shouldn't be hearing about Ralphie and Adriana, but also, what does Chris expect? How can he ever hope to get better living in such a violent, emotionally twisted world?
It's a world that Tony has now pushed A.J. into by forcing him to befriend Patsy and Carlo's sons, a pair of book-making frat boys who are like competent copies of Jackie Jr. Tony has never wanted this life for A.J., but in his impatience for the crying jags to end, he sent his son to hang out with guys who keep a vial of acid handy in case they should run across a deadbeat in need of torturing. Tony can't even plead ignorance, because he knew that the Jasons were running a Family-affiliated sports book. Right now, he and Carm think they've done a wonderful job of helping their son heal, but whatever comes of his new friends is 100 percent on Tony...
...as is whatever happens to Chris. In cutting a deal of nebulous value with Agent Harris about Ahmed and Muhammed, Tony may have sold out Chris - who, after all, was supplying those guys with credit card numbers and guns. And the pressure by Tony and Paulie has Chris drinking again, his resentment over Adriana now doubled with his realization that his "friends" have put him back in the grips of his disease.
And I really do hope something is coming of all this. Since this final season began, I've been warning everyone that Chase and company may not be going for an earth-shattering conclusion, but more of a life-goes-on finish. But the writers have spent so much time over the last five episodes hinting that some apocalypse is coming - whether it's Phil making war with New Jersey, Tony taking out Chris or vice versa, the FBI completing their RICO case, Muhammed and Ahmed up to no good - that if none of that comes to pass, every bit of anger from the fans is going to be justified.
There comes a point when the storytelling stops being daring and unconventional and starts being sloppy and cruel.
The character moments this episode - and this season - have been superb, but if the plot just comes to an abrupt halt at the end of Episode Nine, a lot of viewers are going to be echoing Tony's line to Melfi: "After all the complaining and crying and (expletives deleted) - is this all there is?'
Some other thoughts on "Walk Like a Man':
-Longtime "Sopranos" writer Terence Winter did a fine job in his directorial debut, helping himself by penning the best therapy scene in a long time. When Tony and Melfi are getting along, it's because he doesn't need help and is just shining her on as part of his "oasis." Whenever he's really in trouble, though, he gets hostile with her, and the tension brings out the best in Melfi the therapist - and Gandolfini and Bracco the actors.
-Speaking of that scene, Tony doesn't want Melfi to make a referral for A.J. after the therapist she sent Meadow to in season four almost convinced Meadow to drop out of school. It's a good thing he doesn't know about the referral Melfi gave to Carmela - the elderly shrink who tried to convince Carm to leave Tony and his "blood money" - else their sessions would go beyond hostile and into a very dangerous area.
-Squint-or-you'd-miss-it cameo: in the scene where Tony's hitting on one of the Bing girls, you can just barely see Georgie working behind the bar again (actor Frank Santorelli was also in the closing credits), even though he apparently quit for good after a beating from Tony gave him permanent hearing loss in Season Five's "Cold Cuts."
-Theories from last week that need putting to rest: Hesh's girlfriend Renata died of natural causes (per one of the writers and HBO.com), and Blanca doesn't appear to be pregnant. She's just not that into A.J., or it's like A.J. told his shrink: she was uncomfortable around all of his family's money.
-How many young Jasons has this show featured? Both Patsy and Carlo's kids are named Jason, Little Paulie's sidekick is Jason Molinaro, Melfi's son is Jason La Penna, Lorraine Caluzzo's partner/boytoy was Jason Evanina, one of the Blundetto twins was a Jason, Dick Barone's son was Jason... Is this the 2007 version of that "Goodfellas" joke about all of the kids being named either Peter or Paul?
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at asepinwall@starledger.com " |
http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/05/sopranos_rewind_walk_like_a_ma.html
[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 9:33 AM. Reason : link]5/7/2007 9:33:15 AM |
samtheclam Veteran 218 Posts user info edit post |
yet another classic....
"Quit being Cunty...." paulie Walnuts... 5/7/2007 9:41:19 AM |
clayguevara All American 604 Posts user info edit post |
after last weeks episode with all the one liners by junior during his "poker games" etc... i was looking for sopranos jokes online like a top ten or something but have had no luck. Some of those jokes are funny as hell. 5/7/2007 10:08:09 AM |