Even on what?

Are you so deluded to think something unfair went down in this fine UVA game?

2/1/2007 11:07:20 PM

i dont want to hear any of this ever again. there should have been at least 1 second in regulation.

2/1/2007 11:29:30 PM

haha no, that ref was staring at the ball, apparently it didnt go out of bounds

2/1/2007 11:30:21 PM

i would say i could pull an Aristotle

but i cant even act that stupid

2/1/2007 11:30:30 PM

^^^there was 1 second idiot

Duke fan: OMG DUKE NEVER GETS CALLS, ONLY UNC GETS CALLS
UNC fan: OMG UNC NEVER GETS CALLS, ONLY DUKE GETS CALLS
Me/State fan: Fuck UNC and Duke

2/1/2007 11:40:37 PM

^He's talking about regulation, not OT.

Either way, he's wrong.

2/1/2007 11:42:57 PM

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"there should have been at least 1 second in regulation."

wtf are you talking about. they showed very clearly there was exactly 1.0 second left

well then wouldn't it have been uva's ball anyway, since mcclure was dicking around and lost it?fff

[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 11:44 PM. Reason : f]

2/1/2007 11:42:59 PM

^He's talking about regulation, not OT.

Either way, he's wrong.

2/1/2007 11:43:31 PM

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"well then wouldn't it have been uva's ball anyway, since mcclure was dicking around and lost it?fff"

Yeah, but folks like Aristotle think Duke could make a steal and a shot for the win with .0000000000000000001 seconds left.

2/1/2007 11:46:16 PM

we're talking about Aristotle here

wrong is just a given

2/1/2007 11:46:35 PM

oh whoops i wasnt even paying attention to the regulation/OT thing

bridget your sports savvy is growing and growing!

2/1/2007 11:50:35 PM

nah reynolds knocked it from mcclure and it bounced out and then rolled and a coach picked it up on the bench as the horn sounded. from that horn i deducted that the ball had been out at least 1 second maybe almost 2. After all the clemson stuff the refs were probably scared to dare add the right ammount of time because if duke somehow scored it would be their fault for winning the game.

this was like the acc taking their time back from the clemson game.

I'm not bitching and am not going to do what you guys did and say it "directly changed the game" or some shit because thats not why duke lost. It was simply a clock error and i'm pointing it out to show you that it happens alot and anybody can be on either side of it.

2/1/2007 11:52:27 PM

would you feel better if you had lost to clemson and beat virginia?

cause either way you went 1-1 in those 2 games

deal with the questionable officiating that all the non duke and non unc schools have to deal with every game

2/1/2007 11:57:17 PM

^^At that point in the game, if the refs had added 3+ seconds to the clock and that extra time allowed Virginia to win it in regulation, you'd be able to compare this game to the other Duke game.

As it is, shut the fuck up.

2/1/2007 11:58:18 PM

^^His comparison isn't even valid.

It woulda been Virginia ball and since the refs didn't add a bunch of time to the clock, this game is the complete opposite of the last one.

Aristotle, Duke got lucky in that last game. Don't feel guilty about it. It happens a lot for your team. Just accept it and enjoy the wins.

V

[Edited on February 2, 2007 at 12:04 AM. Reason : ]

2/2/2007 12:00:05 AM

you tell him bridget!

2/2/2007 12:00:43 AM

just dvred it was .9 when it hit out for sure. im just gonna assume it didnt hit anything else out of bounds before it hit that for sure and say it was .9 left.

^well that would have been robbery if uva got the ball considering uva knocked the ball out

2/2/2007 12:07:03 AM

^Were we watching the same game? Nelson lost it, and Duke was obviously the last one to touch it.

Trust me, if it was going to be Duke ball, Coach K woulda been demanding more time.

Think.

2/2/2007 12:09:37 AM

coach k did demand more time. nelson wasn't even in the area it was mcclure so maybe we didn't watch the same game after all...

2/2/2007 12:11:29 AM

maybe you are just a cockshiner

2/2/2007 12:13:56 AM

^^Yeah, I get the Duke players mixed up.

Either way, it was absolutely not going to be Duke ball.

Or have I gone crazy?

2/2/2007 12:24:35 AM

if you confuse mcclure with nelson you just may be going crazy, either that or you don't belong in sports talk

2/2/2007 12:26:45 AM

I know what they look like, and I can generally associate them with their names. But sometimes I mix up the names.

Now...am I going crazy about the end of this game or what?

2/2/2007 12:30:13 AM

thats what happens when somebody is watching their 3rd or 4th basketball game.

2/2/2007 12:33:34 AM

when i watch duke games i only see two types of players

light skinned fags and dark skinned fags

2/2/2007 12:36:16 AM

I know what the two players look like. I got mixed up. That doesn't mean this is my third time watching basketball.

McClure looks ridiculously cheesy which reminds me of Troy on the Simpsons.

2/2/2007 12:39:43 AM

McClure just fucking lost it....

Get over it Duke lost....you and Dickie V get a room and cry together.

2/2/2007 12:44:43 AM

Stingray, packboozie, and I all think he just lost it.

So I'm not going crazy.

Aristotle's just fucking with my head.

Goodnight, TWW!

2/2/2007 12:50:40 AM

hey look they just had the highlights on sportscenter and nobody batted an eye at the end of regulation...yep...the same espn that blows anything insignificant out of proportion didnt even mention it

duke lost fair and square

2/2/2007 12:50:58 AM

duke lost fair and square. at first i thought there was time when the ball went out, but when they showed the aerial view...the ball was bouncing when time expired.

virginia made a great comeback and duke didn't finish it, that's the bottom line. i'm a duke fan, but you have to close the games...they were lucky to get such a great look at the end, but paulus couldn't knock it down.

it is VERY, VERY clear that a team with TWO GREAT GUARDS gives duke an extremely tough time. mcclure saved the game previously with a great block, but singletary and reynolds are too fast for paulus, nelson and mcclure.

next year duke will have a quick defensive guard in nolan smith that will help out in this area, until then...very quick, athletic teams are capable of beating duke any night. that's why they play the game.

[Edited on February 2, 2007 at 1:02 AM. Reason : .]

2/2/2007 1:00:53 AM

duke loses when its fair and square

2/2/2007 1:11:26 AM

fuck yeah! go hoos!

2/2/2007 1:12:58 AM

wahoowa fuck yea! the hoos are starting to learn how to play some ball. its a shame we cant combine ncstate and uva that team would be awsome.

2/2/2007 3:07:41 AM

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"for 39 minutes of the game the time (appears to be) controlled by the refs the last minute the clock is stopped by the time keeper if a shot is made, the refs start the clock the whole game"

Is there a reason the clock stops after made shots in the last minute? Is it just for the sake of making the end of the game more exciting? It just makes no sense for it to stop in the last minute and not for the rest of the game.

2/2/2007 6:27:35 AM

^^^, ^^ haha where did these guys come from??

2/2/2007 6:44:06 AM

^^ dunno but imagine how much less exciting the tournament would be if that were the case

2/2/2007 7:06:23 AM

http://aboverim.blogspot.com/

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" Clemson may get extra time from NCAA committee The timing error from Clemson’s 68-66 loss on Jan. 25 at Duke will be taken into consideration by the Division I men’s basketball committee during the NCAA tournament selection process. “It becomes one of many factors that would be discussed at that point in time that Clemson is brought up for discussion,” Craig Littlepage, the committee chair, said Wednesday. Replays of the game showed that officials failed to promptly start the clock when Clemson’s Vernon Hamilton stole a Josh McRoberts pass. ESPN’s video analysis estimated that 2.4 seconds should have been put on the clock after Hamilton’s tying 3-pointers. Instead, Duke had 4.4 seconds - just enough time for Jon Scheyer to set up Dave McClure for a winning lay-in at the buzzer. ACC officiating coordinator John Clougherty later acknowledged that a timing error had occurred. Littlepage, the Virginia athletics director, said there’s no way to tell whether Duke could have set up a play to win in 2.4 seconds, or whether Clemson would have won if the game went to overtime. “We just don’t know what would have happened,” he said. But when Clemson is discussed by the selection committee, the circumstances of what could have been a win over a top-10 team on the road will be brought to everyone’s attention. -- Ken Tysiac "

2/2/2007 10:12:52 AM

^^^^Stopping the clock after baskets for the whole game would be a tedious process, and really doesn't make much of a difference as it does in the last minute of the game.

2/2/2007 10:39:47 AM

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"Is there a reason the clock stops after made shots in the last minute? Is it just for the sake of making the end of the game more exciting? It just makes no sense for it to stop in the last minute and not for the rest of the game."

One of the reasons I would continue to stop the clock after baskets at the end of games is because of the way kids from all schools refuse to take the half second to pick up a loose ball and hand it to a ref. It really is annoying when players act like they don't even see the ball right next to their foot and let 5 or ten seconds roll off the clock so a ref can run over and get the ball.

2/2/2007 10:58:47 AM

^Good point...if one team scores but the other has the lead with say 42 seconds left, the time from the ball being handed to the player and the 5 seconds he gets could allow them to get the clock down to 35 so the team thats behind has to foul, making the shot clock useless. I see why its needed in this situation plus the whole making the game much more interesting, but its still odd...kinda like how a quarterback can take a knee in the NFL and the play be considered dead even though a play isnt dead until a player is down by contact.

2/2/2007 1:14:50 PM

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"Is there a reason the clock stops after made shots in the last minute? Is it just for the sake of making the end of the game more exciting? It just makes no sense for it to stop in the last minute and not for the rest of the game."

Cause players would "accidentally" knock the ball away in the last minute, and it would be a controversial call for the refs to have to decide if it was intentional or not. I guess we could have ball boys that are always there with a fresh ball, but then you're counting on them. There's enough potential for human error in the game...no need to invite more. So we stop the clock. Stopping the clock also kinda lets us see the teams compete in a different sort of game.

^^I actually don't like it when a player picks up the ball and hands it to the ref. It's the refs job to pick up the ball, and it lets them control the in-bounds ritual a bit more.

2/2/2007 1:40:42 PM

^ Really?? Even when it is really obvious that the player is purposefully avoiding the ball to kill time and/or be a dick? Maybe it is only a pet peeve of mine.

2/2/2007 2:22:03 PM