yeah the no caution made me mad b/c I wanted Mark to win

wouldn't bother me if I were pulling for Harvick

[Edited on February 18, 2007 at 7:20 PM. Reason : .]

2/18/2007 7:20:18 PM

yeah I was pulling for Mark. I hate Harvick for some reason. Maybe it's because he took the spot of Dale and I didn't think he was good enough

2/18/2007 7:30:09 PM

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"I hate Harvick for some reason"

he's a cocky asshole who needs to pick one series and stay there.

2/18/2007 7:47:16 PM

speaking of switching back and forth between series, do ya'll think Nascar will ever make a rule where a driver cant drive Busch and Nextel? It's stupid the way they do it. It should be like the major and minor leagues of Baseball. The Busch series should be used to work on the skills of the younger drivers and the better drivers shouldn't be able to drive in it just to win the money.

2/18/2007 7:56:32 PM

Harvick ftw!

2/18/2007 8:01:05 PM

I'd put a rule in that once you have 80 career nextel cup starts (just over 2 complete seasons) you can only run 10 races in busch series in a season. Of course if you stop running full time in nextel cup you can run full time in busch or trucks.

2/18/2007 8:06:44 PM

^ yeah I agree.

The Busch Series needs the Cup guys to come down and step up the competition. But when you have a Cup guy come down and win the championship thats just complete bullshit

2/18/2007 9:02:06 PM

People, there are NO CAUTIONS on the final lap, when everyone is on the lead lap. Damn, get over it! That was a true Daytona finish!! Harvick came out of no where! I wanted Mark to win too, but damn, that was racing if there ever was.

Nah, I think they should be able to run both series. I dont think there has been any problem, and if they're good enough, let them do it!

[Edited on February 18, 2007 at 9:13 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2007 9:11:41 PM

^yeah I wanted Mark to win but would have complained if he won due to Nascar playing favorites on that occasion

So you're cool with a proven Cup winner completely dominating the Busch Series? I mean last year didn't they go like 17 races before a non-Cup winner won a race which happened to be David Gilliand. Plus you know the Cup guys are getting the top of the line equipment plus all the knowledge of racing at the tracks

2/18/2007 9:34:05 PM

Well, Busch and Nextel are pretty different. Its not identical. Different speeds, cars, equipment, racing style. It's really ok with me. I mean, if he can dominate 2 types of racing, then thats awesome. Also, Busch races the tracks first, so if anything, Nextel should want them out of Nextel or only with Busch. Since they have a feel for the track already. But it really is so different being in each car. Maybe they should be limited in number, but that would be the extent.

[Edited on February 18, 2007 at 9:56 PM. Reason : cant type]

2/18/2007 9:56:10 PM

if cup guys didn't race in the busch series no one would watch it.........including me

if no one watches, then no sponsors

they NEED the cup guys

2/18/2007 10:02:13 PM

^also that being part of the reason.

2/18/2007 10:09:53 PM

the cars aren't that different, that's why the cup drivers go race there, experience. the only real difference is the wheelbase is 5" shorter.

2/18/2007 10:10:29 PM

My fantasy team got PWNT. I did have Jeff Burton & Kevin Harvick in my top ten.

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"# Finish Start Driver Pts. 1 3 7 Jeff Burton (#31) 100 2 43 3 Tony Stewart (#20) 2 3 32 5 Dale Earnhardt Jr. (#8) 24 4 27 10 Matt Kenseth (#17) 34 5 1 34 Kevin Harvick (#29) 150 6 24 8 Kyle Busch (#5) 40 7 39 21 Jimmie Johnson (#48) 10 8 22 14 Carl Edwards (#99) 44 9 20 27 Bobby Labonte (#43) 48 10 17 23 Boris Said (#160) 54 My Team Total: 506 This Week's High Score: 719 This Week's National High Score: 779 Powered by UPICKEM.com All rights reserved, © 2007 Help | Official Rules | Feedback "

2/18/2007 10:21:37 PM

^^5" makes a ton of difference at 180 mph. And they have all sorts of differences. Granted, they are similar enough that the drivers can learn a fair amount about how their cars are gonna do the next day, but its not enough to justify all the work and time that goes into those races.

that can only be justified by money.

2/18/2007 10:26:28 PM

I do still see your point though stowaway.

2/18/2007 10:30:26 PM

Quote :

"But the main difference among the Cup, Busch and truck engines is the size of the carburetors -- 830 cubic feet per minute (cfm) in Cup and 390 cfm for Busch and trucks -- which allows a richer air-fuel mixture in Nextel Cup. According to the NASCAR media guide, the torque is 550 feet per pound at 7,500 RPM for Cup, 535 feet per pound at 6,500 RPM for Busch and 535 feet per pound at 6,500 RPM for trucks. That gives the engines the ability to produce horsepower in the range of 850 at 9,000 RPM for Cup, 750 at 8,400 RPM for Busch and 750 at 8,400 RPM for trucks."

[Edited on February 19, 2007 at 12:13 AM. Reason : add]

2/19/2007 12:11:29 AM

I dont recall the race, but there was one last year where a wreck happened in the back of the field on the last lap...pretty much everyone was in front of it and the track was clear to the finish line, but they threw the caution flag anyhow (robbing us all of a great finish). Now this year, they dont throw the caution when the wreck is in front of all but 2 cars? I dont know anything about this "no cautions on the last lap if everyone is all the lead lap" crap, a wreck is a wreck...so if everyones on the lead lap, its perfectly safe for them to race back to the line with cars spinning all over the track? That makes a LOT of sense.

2/19/2007 12:23:35 AM

From Jayski.com:

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"Harvick-Martin finish...yellow? NASCAR officials, reacting to the controversial slow yellow at the finish which denied #01-Mark Martin yesterday's win, said they threw the yellow when #07-Clint Bowyer got sideways, and they said at that point #29-Kevin Harvick was just ahead of Martin.(Winston Salem Journal) AND: NASCAR usually throws a caution immediately when there's danger on the track, freezing the field in place. At least once recently — at Talladega Superspeedway in October 2005 — NASCAR threw a yellow on the last lap before the field reached the finish. That handed a win to Dale Jarrett, who was in first with a half-lap to go but trailed Tony Stewart at the finish. NASCAR allowed racing to the caution without freezing the field until September 2003, when it ruled drivers should slow down as soon as the yellow appeared for safety purposes. Sunday, NASCAR seemed to wait five seconds — until just after Harvick and Martin finished side by side — to throw the yellow. NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said Harvick was declared the winner because the caution came out when Clint Bowyer's Chevrolet went sideways across the track after Harvick and Martin took the checkered flag. Poston said the yellow didn't come out earlier because the cars involved in the crash had skidded off the track to that point.(USA Today) AND II: Kyle Busch disappeared in the smoke just as Harvick pulled alongside Martin in the tri-oval. They both waited for the flagman, who leaned over the track and dropped the checkered with the 07 Chevy of Clint Bowyer tumbling and burning into the infield. At that moment, the outcome was in the hands of NASCAR. The message from the control center above the track to the flagman came as the cars reached the line. "Put it out,'' David Hoots, NASCAR's race director, radioed down. The yellow flag flew after Harvick passed under the flagstand. "When the 07 went sideways on the track, the yellow came out,'' NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said afterward. "At that point the 29 was ahead of the 01 and declared the winner.'' That was a good explanation and all, except that's not what happened. Bowyer was upside down before the leaders took the checkered flag. The caution was thrown after that, technically, and according to NASCAR's own rules, after the race ended. The fact that there was an official margin of victory (.020 seconds) proves it. There is no margin of victory in a race that ends under caution. And since no caution flew before the end, NASCAR had no official account of the crash. In effect, it never happened.(Roanoke Times)(2-19-2007)"

NASCAR must think that either no one watched this race or no one recorded it. Sure, the first group of cars to crash has slid down to the apron, but its pretty obvious theres another 5-6 cars that are pointed in the wrong direction, and thats usually not a good sign. Plus, at the time Bowyers car is sideways, Martin and Harvick are just past the pit entrance. Ive always thought that they should race back to the finish anyhow regardless of the location of the wreck, but NASCAR has set a precedent of throwing that caution flag regardless, even if everyone on the track is clear of the wreck...now all of a sudden they want to change it? Were any of the ACC refs in Daytona yesterday?

2/19/2007 7:36:05 AM

I think this picture says it all. Martin is clearly out front but the rest of the field is wrecking. Nascar has too much of a habit of enforcing rules one week and the next week it forgets about it so the finish is better.

[Edited on February 19, 2007 at 11:05 PM. Reason : personally I wish Martin had taken Harvick out]

2/19/2007 11:05:26 PM

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"I think this picture says it all. Martin is clearly out front but the rest of the field is wrecking. Nascar has too much of a habit of enforcing rules one week and the next week it forgets about it so the finish is better."

Which was why the whole made-for-ESPN "we're clamping down on rules, no one will cheat, we will punish them severely, blah blah blah" was crap. NASCAR enforces rules only when it suits their interests, not all of the time.

2/20/2007 8:05:23 AM

Ratings for Daytona down 12% from last year. 7% from 2005.

Fox is trying to explain it off in the link below. But this explanation from Fox though has me going

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"Also, due to an unusually low number of caution periods early on, yesterday's race was the shortest in running time since 1995, and that was a significant factor in the year to year decline."

Translation: We needed four debris cautions in the first 400 miles of the race and NASCAR would not provide them.

http://www.jayski.com/pages/tvratings2007.htm

[Edited on February 20, 2007 at 8:27 AM. Reason : .]

2/20/2007 8:23:38 AM

Nascar decides who they like and who they want to try to let win. If it was Dale Jr. in the lead they would have thrown the caution but it was mark martin so they wanted to see a race to the finish. I like it and believe that they shoul have the race back to the linevs the freezing the field bull shit they do now. Nascar is not getting better in my oppinion I think its getting worse. They are starting to sell out.

2/20/2007 8:34:43 AM

^ get the fuck out of here with that shit


I mean what can they do? Throw the caution and people throw shit on the track because they ruin a photo finish, or dont throw the caution and have people bitch and say that shits not fair, what an ending it would have been...blah blah


who gives a fuck, the end was exciting WITHOUT the caution

The people who say nascar is fixed and play preferences are full of shit. If only they had a REAL clue and not troll-like reaction to everything

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 10:42 AM. Reason : .]

2/21/2007 10:40:28 AM

the crash didnt affect the finish. it was the last lap. let them race.

2/21/2007 11:48:22 AM

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"The people who say nascar is fixed and play preferences are full of shit. If only they had a REAL clue and not troll-like reaction to everything"

I have watched NASCAR since the 1988 season. Therefore I think I have a REAL clue.

It is not fixed. It is impossible to fix machinery. You can't fix something when a part could break or when you are running outside of someone and he crashes into you by losing it or blowing a tire.

They do though play preferences. They do this when it suits their ultimate purpose of making money by having certain people win or having certain events happen to improve the bottom line. It's Vince McMahon's contribution to real sports. Have you ever heard of "The Call"? It's a term coined by NASCAR drivers to when someone's car is clearly better, defying logic (like Dale Jr. passing cars at a restrictor-plate track when he's not drafting with anyone) and has been given the nod to win. (That's right, "The Call" is a term invented by the drivers, not fans.)

http://nascarfans.wetpaint.com/page/NASCAR+Lore:+The+Call

I don't believe the Daytona 500 this past weekend though they were giving a preference for who they wanted a win. They just wanted a green-flag finish cause it's better for making money, it just breaks their own rules they create, which goes back to their selective application of them when it suits their purposes, which goes back to why I think the crackdown on cheating was bulls***. If they wanted to crackdown on cheating, they would've banned Waltrip, but they weren't going to do that cause it would make Toyota look bad and it would make NAPA look bad.

Put it this way, If DEI blatantly cheated with Dale Jr.'s car, does anyone seriously think NASCAR would ever do anything that would severely harm their most popular driver? It's a bit like when Jordan was great in the NBA, he could get in a fight with another player, the other player would get ejected and Jordan would stay in the game. Why? Cause the paying customers wanted to see Jordan play and could care less about the other guy.

If you don't see that, fine. It's not a big deal, continue being blissfully ignorant.

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 8:01 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2007 7:47:46 PM

Mark Martin just cant catch a break. last night in the truck race he was leading with 2 laps to go when hornaday punted him on a restart.

Also nice to see Mayfield is now 0-2 in starting cup races this year, after he crashed evernham's cars on purpose last year.

[Edited on February 24, 2007 at 7:25 AM. Reason : s]

2/24/2007 7:00:24 AM

Alright! What time today y'all?

2/25/2007 1:28:20 PM

3:30

2/25/2007 1:36:28 PM

YAY! I'll try to have all my stuff done by then!

2/25/2007 1:38:09 PM

Yeah I'm pissed.. I have a meeting from 3-6 this afternoon so I'll miss majority of it

2/25/2007 1:39:35 PM

I have a meeting at 8, so maybe I'll get all of it! Not to rub it in or anyhing!

2/25/2007 1:40:14 PM

Earnhardt and Kahne will go #1 and #2 this week

2/25/2007 1:41:58 PM

haha thanks bethaleigh..

...I hope Jr. gets a win but I'd watch out for Biffle and Edwards and of course Kenseth

2/25/2007 1:47:49 PM

Watch out for the Jimmie Johnson!!!

[Edited on February 25, 2007 at 1:55 PM. Reason : a]

2/25/2007 1:54:58 PM

oh man.. i've always thought highly of you bethaleigh.. that is until now

[Edited on February 25, 2007 at 1:57 PM. Reason : a]

2/25/2007 1:56:39 PM

OH NO YOU DINT!

2/25/2007 2:10:31 PM

guess i cant really say too much.. my guy didn't even qualify

..that being said GO DALE JR.!!




[Edited on February 25, 2007 at 2:43 PM. Reason : a]

2/25/2007 2:34:34 PM

As long as Stewart hits the wall, I don't care who wins.

2/25/2007 2:42:33 PM

alright boys lets reach up there one more time and pull those belts tight.


boogity boogity boogity let's go racing boys

2/25/2007 3:47:31 PM

Quote :

"Earnhardt and Kahne will go #1 and #2 this week"

... to the garage.

2/25/2007 5:03:16 PM

haha...the ignition panels he just showed on the cut away car are illegal now....

[Edited on February 25, 2007 at 5:06 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2007 5:04:24 PM

Lotsa engines going.

Dear God, another debris caution.

Legitimate at least.

[Edited on February 25, 2007 at 5:31 PM. Reason : .]

2/25/2007 5:29:47 PM

jr's done

2/25/2007 5:38:15 PM

bkhardee is gonna be pissed! Jr. is out, and Jimmie is in 3rd!

I could go for a Hendrick win from Gordon or Johnson and be happy. Someone put Stewart in the wall today, or let him to it himself again!

2/25/2007 6:38:19 PM

fontana has to be the worst damn track they race at all year.

2/25/2007 6:43:06 PM

ok damnit. Someone needs to put stewart in the wall.

[Edited on February 25, 2007 at 6:55 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2007 6:50:43 PM

I hate fake cautions. All this did was catch stewart up to the rest of the field.

2/25/2007 7:05:40 PM

reutimann just got knocked the fuck out

2/25/2007 7:16:38 PM

no kidding

I hope he's ok. That was a hard fuckin hit.

2/25/2007 7:18:19 PM