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3/27/2008 10:51:58 AM

Has anyone seen a 1 Series out on the road yet? I think this is an ugly and useless car personally, but a lot of people seemed to be pretty high on them. But at the same time, I haven't seen a single one on the road...


...until earlier today one convertible drove by.

What do people think?

6/17/2008 3:46:04 PM

Its ugly. Ugly like those hatchbacks they made a while back.

6/17/2008 4:02:05 PM

I've seen one and it really does look like its next to a circus mirror. Looks are subjective though.

6/17/2008 11:18:21 PM

i think it looks decent, but nowhere near as good as the 3.

they really fucked it away by not making it smaller and especially lighter and cheaper.

6/17/2008 11:32:14 PM

i would totally rock one out if it was a lot cheaper...but considering the price, may as well get a 3 series.

6/18/2008 10:10:18 AM

i've seen a few and they look pretty mean in the 335 trim. there is talk of the warrenties being voided if the car is chipped, so some of the bang for the buck factor might be done away with.

6/18/2008 1:40:14 PM

Picked mine up today. The boat ride from Germany took forever.

6/29/2008 1:14:17 AM

nice gay squat youre doing there.

6/29/2008 1:20:52 AM

Why thank-you. Pavement was hot as fuck too.

6/29/2008 1:30:20 AM

and now you have to change ur screenname.

6/29/2008 1:52:10 AM

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2008/06/25/am.cho.bmw.ad.cnn?iref=videosearch bavarian rednecks trying to launch 1 series over the atlantic as part of BMW marketing campaign

6/29/2008 9:28:04 AM

meh

6/30/2008 12:21:08 AM

So tell me again why someone would pay for this car instead of a 3 series? (Unless someone was unable to afford the few grand more for a 3 series and they had to skimp out on a 1 series...)

6/30/2008 10:29:04 AM

So tell me again why someone would pay for this car instead of a 3 series? (Unless someone was unable to afford the few grand more for a 3 series and they had to skimp out on a 1 series...)

I saw one in Charlotte this weekend, along with a bazillion 997 turbos...

6/30/2008 10:29:30 AM

It's a little bit lighter I guess. Probably doesn't have the gay I-drive. Or does it? Does the 335 have it?

6/30/2008 7:34:06 PM

tell me again why someone would double post.

and because they may like it better or want something smaller. Its really a matter of preference. Personally if I had the money I'd rock out a 135i or a ti and a 5 series.

6/30/2008 7:51:40 PM

^^its not light enough to make up for the ugliness. I believe I-Drive is an option. It is on the 3 Series as well.

6/30/2008 10:29:36 PM

Yeah, the 1 is lighter and has a freer flowing exhaust. I got the employee discount on my 1, got a fair amount for my trade and didn't get the i-drive option or premium package. It worked out well and gave me great payments. I honestly couldn't afford the 3. Many don't like the look but I obviously do. I'm saving for a chip that'll put the hp from 315 to about 360.

7/1/2008 2:02:48 AM

shmorri2, did you see one at the Porsche parade or driving on the street? I live 1 min from where the parade was and was out about that time...assuming you saw the 1 with the same color as mine.

7/1/2008 2:05:47 AM

^^unless youre buying the Dinan chip then id say good luck to you, given that the last i heard the software upgrades on the N54 engines were a little unstable and the fact that if you void the warranty and blow a turbo or two that theyre oh about 1800 bones a piece then i doubt you could afford that either. that being said, the dinan software may not even be covered under a warranty even though i think the other dinan equipment is approved by BMW. but again, i could be wrong, just cause they approve it doesnt mean theyll pay a 5k warranty claim cause you blew the turbos on that engine...

7/1/2008 10:37:45 PM

i don't THINK that BMW is honoring warranties on Dinan-modded stuff anymore. I think they kinda parted ways. I THINK that Dinan was honoring the warranties that BMW wouldn't, but that may have only been in place for stuff that was modded already. Check on that before you blindly assume that Dinan parts won't void your warranty.

7/1/2008 10:44:39 PM

if the car is chipped, regardless of brand, the warrenty will be most likely thrown out the window if something messes up. good luck. i think they look pretty neat, but not worth the money IMO.

7/1/2008 10:50:34 PM

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"^^unless youre buying the Dinan chip then id say good luck to you, given that the last i heard the software upgrades on the N54 engines were a little unstable and the fact that if you void the warranty and blow a turbo or two that theyre oh about 1800 bones a piece then i doubt you could afford that either. that being said, the dinan software may not even be covered under a warranty even though i think the other dinan equipment is approved by BMW. but again, i could be wrong, just cause they approve it doesnt mean theyll pay a 5k warranty claim cause you blew the turbos on that engine..."

Oh yeah, if I do, ONLY Dinan. They take over the BMW warranty. Sounds risky though so I doubt I'll do it. BMW does have performance parts though that can add some power. I may look into that.

7/1/2008 10:57:44 PM

At the Dragon... I don't recall when. I just happened to see it in the album.

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 10:38 PM. Reason : 135i]

7/16/2008 10:37:51 PM

I saw a convertible 135 a couple of weeks ago. It was kind of meh. What really gets me womdering is why someone would ever get a 128.

I think if I was going to get a convertible I'd probably go with a Z4 or s2000.

7/16/2008 10:48:51 PM

a z4 or s2000?

no brainer , inline 6

7/16/2008 11:05:07 PM

I was just talking about the aesthetics of them, but yeah, if someone was just going to hand me one I'd take a Z4 M all day long

7/16/2008 11:18:11 PM

Hell yeah. z4 M all the way! HOWEVER, I find it very hard to find a z4 M Coupe. I would rock that more than a Cayman S... But as rare as they are, I guess I'll just have to wait until a nice deal on a slightly used C6 Z06 or Cayman S appears...

Why do these people buy the 1 series again? please tell me? Does not compute...

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 11:29 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2008 11:28:46 PM

Z4-M is in a different class than an S2000

i'd love to have a Z4 M-Coupe...I like the Cayman-S, but there's something about that M-Coupe. I'm not sure I could justify it over a C6 Z51 'Vette for less money, though, and I'd have to at least give some consideration towards an Elise, a nice used 911, or maybe even a used Viper.

I really like BMW, and I REALLY like the M-Coupe, but a C6 'Vette will murder it for less money, and upgrading a BMW requires HUGE amounts of money.

7/17/2008 2:56:32 AM

^^ Same engine as the 3-series but weighs less and is smaller. I actually like the 1-series and will probably go test drive one coming up the next 2 weeks. Only downfall is even base the 128i is in the high range of my budget. Wish they would have come out a year earlier so i could get a certified 1-series w/ sport package and a monthly payment <$400 (putting $8000 down.

7/20/2008 9:35:51 PM

Yeah, a Z4 M is really more in line with a Boxter S or a Cayman. If we're just talking looks then I might still be tempted to take an S2000 over a Z4 with one of the middle of the road engines.

I think the next car I buy will probably be a Porsche 911 convertible, but that's probably about 10 years away.

Back to the point though, I can't really see too many reasons to own a 1 series.

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 9:43 PM. Reason : adfas]

7/20/2008 9:43:04 PM

well starting an entry level position i plan to get a new car. I really can't afford a new 3-series but was considering an 06 or 07. For the same price though i can get a NEW 1-series.



[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 10:10 PM. Reason : l]

7/20/2008 10:09:35 PM

I'd take a '06-'07 335i ALL DAY over a new 1 series. That kind of ugliness isn't worth the 150-200 lbs you lose.

Quote :

"a z4 or s2000? no brainer , inline 6"

If you judge it based on looks, value, and performance it is a no brainer. For the S2000!

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 10:36 PM. Reason : k]

7/20/2008 10:36:03 PM

Oddly enough, I have somehow managed to [i]not[/I] drive a 335i yet, but I think I have driven nearly every other car in this thread, so I'll share my thoughts....

135: asking why anyone would buy this car over a 335i, even without having driven a 335i, is asking a question that nearly answers itself... For some people, being able to buy a bmw coupe with nearly as much room, but with marginally less weight and virtually identical (if not better) performance for less money than the bigger coupe represents the more appealing option. Looks are subjective.

(some people buying a 135 and with more than enough resources to instead buy the 335i might even prefer the looks of a 335 and even thinks it's the better car, but just have

7/21/2008 10:30:30 AM

I've never seen/heard anyone say that the 1 series is more attractive than the 3 series. In fact I don't know more than a handful of people that even think it looks good at all.

7/21/2008 3:34:17 PM

sorry I trailed off there... I never got around to my edit... With that last sentence, I wasn't attempting to say the 335i was less attractive.... That sentence was supposed to go something like: "even if someone had the cash for a 335i and preferred it's looks and was convinced that it was by far the better car, and would regularly need places for third and fourth passengers enough to necessitate a coupe no smaller than a 335i coupe and somehow not need such convenient access to a second row seat to tempt into some sort of sedan, there are still plenty of reasons to end up not buying a 335i and yet consider a 135. For one, the 3-series is somewhat of a benchmark with a loyal set of followers, right? Well, to someone who is hoping to feel like a proud individual who carefully inspected his options, before finally plonking a lot of money on a car that he hopes will adequately suit and represent his personality, he might somewhat be turned off at the idea that this means he'll pilot a ride with a gigantic bandwagon. Perhaps such a person might be urged to overcome his reluctance by the assertion that "only the most passionate drivers that also make careful merit-based car purchases without any douchebag concerns about pose-factor can be seen driving a 3-series, let alone a brand new one with big wheels and the biggest turbocharged engine. You can be sure that nobody will think of you as a showoff, a poser, or a daddys-money/carguy-pretender- lawyer/banker/doctor douche...."
But we all know better. The 3-series is an institution of front running, so buying one might carry that stigma.

Another reason to take the 135 might be that you love all the pieces of the 335 but felt that the version that bmw delivered to the public is too heavy and is straying too far from the original e30 formula and that buying the 1 is as close as any small modern bmw is going to get. It's just that little bit lighter and cheaper and less universally well received for its styling as the 335 is... So it's a hoot of a drive hidden under a shape that flares out and bulges to accommodate the car's track but whose lines could have been a little but more elegant, had the car been allowed to be a bit longer and wider and more voluptuous. I'd say that people who genuinely prefer bmws to their historical competition will be more able to identify with owning a 135i in that respect. I think that people who end up buying the 335i instead are more likely to be the ones who say.."bah....for a piddling 5k more I can have the prettier car with measurably more (if not usefully more) room and pretty much the same performance numbers?" such people are the ones who will feel the most uncomfortable when their car is no longer the newest, hottest-spec model, the first ones to defect to a clk when mercedes finally figures that car out...

I think the 135, for its mixed reception, has possibly positioned itself as the "more-bmw" of the two. And I think that's a pretty good reason to buy one bmw over another when they're as similar as these two in so many respects.

Lastly, there's also a slight "sleeper" appeal to the 135 when compared to the 335.
That sleeper appeal is desirable not just for the ability to be somewhat stealthy among a pack of sports cars, but also to help fend off the unfortunate "expectation of the owner" effect. You know, like when you see a really hot girl at a bar, and if she walks out hand-in-hand with a weird looking guy who is about 4'11"? I think we all can admit we would all think, "man, that girl deserves to be handled by someone who's gonna really be able to run her hard and make her scream, but that guy just likes to throw money around. What a lucky undeserving piece of shit. The same effect can be seen when some scrawny kid shows up to high school basketball tryouts with the latest glitzy basketball shoes. I believe I once heard the phrase, "like a spoiler on a shopping cart"...

7/22/2008 12:48:09 AM

Ah, a sleeper BMW. Yeah I can see that, especially since it has the rear end of a Hyundai

Nice post, btw.

7/22/2008 1:10:50 AM

yeah part of the appeal for the 1-series also is that not many have them yet everyone has a 3-series

7/22/2008 6:13:24 PM

7/22/2008 10:39:59 PM

^ is that your new car?

7/23/2008 12:01:04 AM

thats the 1 series back of a Hyundai Accent. Sorry hard to tell, they're so similar.

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 12:35 AM. Reason : k]

7/23/2008 12:34:14 AM

Quote :

"Another reason to take the 135 might be that you love all the pieces of the 335 but felt that the version that bmw delivered to the public is too heavy and is straying too far from the original e30 formula and that buying the 1 is as close as any small modern bmw is going to get. It's just that little bit lighter and cheaper and less universally well received for its styling as the 335 is... So it's a hoot of a drive hidden under a shape that flares out and bulges to accommodate the car's track but whose lines could have been a little but more elegant, had the car been allowed to be a bit longer and wider and more voluptuous. I'd say that people who genuinely prefer bmws to their historical competition will be more able to identify with owning a 135i in that respect. I think that people who end up buying the 335i instead are more likely to be the ones who say.."bah....for a piddling 5k more I can have the prettier car with measurably more (if not usefully more) room and pretty much the same performance numbers?""

See, I wanted a 135i for that reason...the 3 series has gotten enormous and RIDICULOUSLY heavy...

but the 135i isn't enough smaller, lighter, or faster to justify the loss in space and, in my opinion, not looking as good. Maybe if the price was a lot lower, but that's way too close to 3-series territory, too. Instead of making the modern-day 2002 they hyped up, they made an "almost present-day 3-series" in every way. No thanks; I'd just take the damned 3-series.

7/23/2008 2:31:19 AM

Thanks for answering my questions guys. Nice post danmangt40

7/23/2008 9:19:32 AM

So went to see the g/f for lunch today and happened to stray into the dealership and took one for a spin. Going from a G35 to that was like night and day. I really want one, but a used one.

10/14/2008 8:01:43 PM

maybe im just weird or maybe its because ive driven a shit ton of BMWs(since i work for em and all) on top of various other exotics, imports and domestics ive come to appreciate power far over looks. i mean, how many people in this thread bitching about the looks of the car have driven one? how many of that group have driven a 135 and a 335 to compare the two? im not busting anyones ass because this is just my opinion, but fuck looks when it comes to fun...i mean shit the 135s ive gotten to drive and the few ive gotten to flog have been down right fun as hell to drive in every way. lighter, cheaper blah blah that can all kiss my ass when im behind the wheel, plus you cant see the outside of the car if youre in it driving like youre supposed to be. useable space it lacks, yes, but if a small car is what youre in the market for that has some juice without lookin about friggin queer(z4, s2000, miata, other small cars, etc.) then this is the car for you. all im saying is go take a test drive, it will certainly surprise you and might change your mind. if that doesnt work then come back an tell me its some crap car and that bmw should have done this or that and ill find you an application to the engineering department so once your on the inside you can make all the important decisions...again, all just my opinion, carry on.

10/14/2008 9:13:58 PM