adrian wilson
demeco ryans
donnie edwards
zach thomas
ray lewis
champ bailey
london fletcher
jason taylor
antonio pierce

8/13/2007 9:29:19 PM

Salary cap football's up on yahoo. Who y'all got?

8/13/2007 10:31:25 PM

just got LJ for the second year in a row...yay for 3 picks

8/13/2007 11:16:31 PM

That IDP scoring bothers me, which is why I'm glad we don't use it. Two tackles = a safety? I'm sorry, but anything that puts defensive points on the board should be worth a lot more.

8/14/2007 11:29:38 AM

someone just offered me Rudi Johnson, Cadillac Williams, and Kevin Jones for Steven Jackson.

i dont need all three but he has the following team:

QB
Peyton Manning
(Ind - QB)
WR
Roy Williams
(Det - WR)
WR
Anquan Boldin
(Ari - WR)
WR
Donte' Stallworth
(NE - WR)
RB
Travis Henry
(Den - RB)
RB
Rudi Johnson
(Cin - RB)
TE
Jason Witten
(Dal - TE)
W/R
Brandon Jacobs
(NYG - RB)
Carnell Williams
(TB - RB)
Vincent Jackson
(SD - WR)
Steve McNair
(Bal - QB)
DeShaun Foster
(Car - RB)
Anthony Gonzalez
(Ind - WR)
Eric Johnson
(NO - TE)
Kevin Jones
(Det - RB)


This is my team:

Marc Bulger
(StL - QB)
Marques Colston
(NO - WR)
Santana Moss
(Was - WR)
Laveranues Coles
(NYJ - WR)
Steven Jackson
(StL - RB)
Maurice Jones-Drew
(Jac - RB)
Chris Cooley
(Was - TE)
Marty Booker
(Mia - WR)
Greg Jennings
(GB - WR)
Warrick Dunn
(Atl - RB)
Ben Roethlisberger
(Pit - QB)
Santonio Holmes
(Pit - WR)
Desmond Clark
(Chi - TE)
Vernand Morency
(GB - RB)

If anyone thinks I should propose a counter trade let me know but I dont think I will let go of Steven Jackson.

8/14/2007 2:17:18 PM

no way.

8/14/2007 2:19:23 PM

i was thinkin of a counter trade for someone else I had and not Steven Jackson

8/14/2007 2:21:31 PM

jones-drew and dunn for rudi and foster could work.

jones-drew has the potential to explode, but also to get hurt imo and Dunn's best days are behind him.

rudi is the picture of consistency and in a good O, and foster is looking great.

8/14/2007 2:28:13 PM

Foster will be splitting ALOT of carries with Deangelo Williams

and I had Rudi Johnson last year and he didnt perform as well as I had hoped


why do you think Dunn's best days are behind him? He is all they have at this point without Vick...

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 2:30 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 2:29:50 PM

^there is a man named Jerious

8/14/2007 2:32:28 PM

yeah I know but would you seriously drop Dunn for him?

8/14/2007 2:33:57 PM

Idk, foster looked electric in the first preseason game, and I've heard DeA has been having trouble in goal line situations......

I know all the fantasy depth charts have DeA ahead of DeS, but he's got the backing of the coaching staff, and as long as he plays anywere near the way he did saturday, he'll be the starter.

besides, you're basically trading dunn for foster, neither of which will be regular starters, I think its worth a shot.

^^yeah, I think norwood will have a big year.

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 2:34 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 2:33:58 PM

yeah i agree but D.Foster has already been plagued with injuries and im just not sure about em

8/14/2007 2:35:05 PM

I hear you can pick up Michael Vick on the cheap.

8/14/2007 2:37:38 PM

LOL


i just dont think Dunn is DONE if you know what I mean

8/14/2007 2:38:36 PM

what kind of offensive blocking scheme is ATL running now with petrino?

8/14/2007 2:41:38 PM

i have no idea, i am just basing my thoughts on the fact that they have no QB without Vick and are going to rely on their RBs

8/14/2007 2:45:09 PM

Might be right, but they're also probably going to be behind in alot of games and have to abandon the run game.

8/14/2007 2:50:20 PM

Volcom...just so I have this right, I get a strong feeling that based on your team, this cannot be any more than an 8 man league, correct?

But damn, his team is an absolute Juggernaut.

Manning and those WR's and RB's...you would be basically handing him the trophy if you were to give up Jackson.

I am intrigued with the idea of MJD for Johnson, as they have been within 4 picks in the latest mocks and many people are turned off by Rudi b/c of his lack of flash and just the opposite with MJD. There are two things that I can tell you right now about MJD. 1) MJD will not be as successful as he was last year, and 2) Greg Jones will take, if nothing else, goal line carries from MJD.

Honestly, your team is pretty shaky. I love Bulger and I love S-Jax, but I never ever like a #1 RB and a QB together on the same FF team. Mix that with the fact that you have 2 #3 WR's in Coles and Moss, as well as the fact that a repeat performance of last year from Colston will be extremely tough to do, and its pretty obvious that you have your work cut out for you.

As far as Foster and Williams are concerned...yes, Williams has a ton of talent, but it's Foster who will get the start as well as the bulk of the goal line carries. The Fact that Williams is missing time with a high ankle sprain, the same ankle that hampered him at the end of last season, is starting to be cause for a concern, especially given the implementation of a new blocking scheme.

In Atlanta, Petrino loves the big back. Given that mixed with back surgery for Dunn and how well Norwood played in their first preseason game, all signs point to him being the starter and likely having a 60:40 or 70:30 split with Dunn. There arent a ton of high powered offenses in the NFC South (sans the Saints who play no defense whatsoever), so getting blown out and abandoning the run shouldnt be an issue. I honestly think, as we saw last year with Schaub, that the Falcons will be a much more well rounded offense with Harrington at the helm. IMO, at least.

If you can get Rudi and Foster for Dunn and MJD, you have just pulled off a very successful and lopsided trade.

Let me know what happens and good luck!

- The Guru

8/14/2007 3:13:34 PM

Quote :

"what's your take on QB/#1 receiver combos from the same team....ie Manning and Harrison or Palmer and Johnson.....what about QB/#2 receivers? Potential is there, but too many eggs in one basket? Also, "handcuffing" RB's, what do ya think?"

anybody?

8/14/2007 3:29:47 PM

actually its a 10 man league

what do you mean i have 2 #3 receivers?


Moss and Coles are both listed on their Depth Chart as the #1 receiver and both are coming off of GOOD seasons last year

Coles had 91 receptions for over 1000 yards and 6 TDs
Moss had 790 yds with also 6 TDs and Moss has a new QB who has already said that they are going to pass more this year than they did last year
Colston speaks for himself and Brees will throw to him

I dont see how my team is weak by any means at all. I am totally confused by your post...

Having Bulger and S.Jackson who are on a pass-a-shitload offense that still gives him 15-20 rushes a night. I can't let go of either because thats MONEY.

Dunn, i am up in the air about and Morency as well


However, Eric Parker just became available in the league to pick up

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 3:34 PM. Reason : would you pick him up and drop one of my other receivers?]

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 3:37 PM. Reason : anyone?]

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 3:39 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 3:32:05 PM

^ He means that both Coles and Moss are #3 receivers on a decent fantasy team.



[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 3:46 PM. Reason : Coles is probably more of a #2 Receiver IMO]

8/14/2007 3:45:48 PM

Quote :

"what do you mean i have 2 #3 receivers?"

he means you have 2 receivers that warrant only #3 WR spots on a FF roster.

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 3:46 PM. Reason : ^DOH]

8/14/2007 3:46:08 PM

^^^i personally dont have a big problem with the QB/WR or QB/RB combos if they are legit players

however you always have an inherent disadvantage on their bye week if you count on two players for a lot of points and you have to bench both of them

conversely (at least with QB/HB, not as much with QB/WR) if your HB goes down, you SHOULD have more passing opportunities with your QB and vice versa)

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 3:48 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 3:47:50 PM

i see


what about Parker?

8/14/2007 3:48:16 PM

^another reason why I dont think Bulger/SJack is as bad as many other same-team-star combos is because Jackson will probably catch more balls than all but a couple running backs...double points

8/14/2007 3:50:11 PM

Quote :

"conversely (at least with QB/HB, not as much with QB/WR) if your HB goes down, you SHOULD have more passing opportunities with your QB and vice versa) "

That's a very good point....yet another dynamic to think about.




On a side note, would anyone want to be my partner in an in person league (one team, partners are mainly to split cost)? 1st place payout: $1,200.

8/14/2007 3:52:39 PM

what about parker?

8/14/2007 3:55:08 PM

Quote :

"The San Diego Chargers' passing game suffered a setback Friday when starting wide receiver Eric Parker underwent surgery on the big toe of his right foot, a procedure that could sideline him for the first two months of the season."

^no

8/14/2007 4:02:30 PM

^ you ready for Sunday fool?

8/14/2007 4:07:20 PM

ah i see

well these receivers are still available in the league


J.Jurevicious (CLE)
Drew Bennett (STL)
A. Toomer (NYG)
A. Battle (SF)

8/14/2007 4:08:48 PM

Bennett, Prohl put up decent numbers as the #3 in St. Louis and Bennett is a lot better than Prohl, could be the co-#2 with Bruce actually

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 4:14 PM. Reason : d]

8/14/2007 4:13:37 PM

^question is are you guys ready?

jk, Yeah, i'm looking forward to it...still going out on Sat?

^^snatch bennett up.

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 4:18 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 4:17:31 PM

i will then have 3 ppl on STL

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 4:24 PM. Reason : which in week 9 could hurt]

8/14/2007 4:24:13 PM

^^ yup, not sure where yet, Edwin is probably going to have to work at Playmakers, so thats an option (hookups) but its usually dead as shit there on Saturdays when college football isnt around.

So, what are you leaning towards first round? you can tell me, I am behind you

^ yeah, might just have to say fuck week 9

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 4:27 PM. Reason : f]

8/14/2007 4:26:10 PM

Quote :

"conversely (at least with QB/HB, not as much with QB/WR) if your HB goes down, you SHOULD have more passing opportunities with your QB and vice versa)"

In theory, I whole heartedly agree...but the reality is that defenses change to and adapt to the team that they are playing.

Use Kansas City for Example. Because Trent Green and Dante Hall are gone, and Kennison and Gonzo are old as hell, does that mean a more successful year for LJ? The answer is no, because teams are going to play with 8 men in the box and not allow LJ to beat them. The same can be said with the Rams. If Bulger goes down, defenses arent going to play the pass the same way, which will negatively affect S-Jax's value. Dont get me wrong, they are both good players. They are near the top of the charts as far as having a QB/RB combo, along with Brees/Bush and McNabb/Westbrook.

ANYWAY....

wlb420...

Quote :

"what's your take on QB/#1 receiver combos from the same team....ie Manning and Harrison or Palmer and Johnson.....what about QB/#2 receivers? Potential is there, but too many eggs in one basket? Also, "handcuffing" RB's, what do ya think?"

Unfortuantely, gone are the days of the "every down" back. Even the antithesis of the RBBC in LT and Rudi, go sit out on many 3rd downs. It's now common practice in the NFL and has become one of the, if not the main challenge when drafting in FF league, only increasing the importance of a solid RB with the 1st pick. There are two types of handcuffing as far as I am concerned. for the sake of laziness, I'll call Handcuffing "HC".

Type 1)
HC because of risk of injury. This includes drafting Turner or Leonard if you have LT or S-Jax. In a typical draft of 14-15 rounds or more, this is absolutely the smartest thing to do, as you basically are HC'ing for insurance purposes on arguably your best player.

Type 2)
HC because of a potentially murky backfield or platton situation. These include scenario's such as drafting both MB III and Julius Jones or DeA and DeFoster to see which one pans out as the starter...I suggest only doing this in situations where you know they could both be successful instead of drafting two RB's like Chris Brown and Lendale White of the Titans.

Handcuffing RB's is a must, especially for your 1st/2nd rd RB. It's better to prepare for the worst instead of being screwed and have some other owner benefit in the worst case scenario of one of your starting RB's going down.


As far as QB/WR combo's....I am all for it as long as the QB's productivity doesnt rely strictly on the WR's production. Such as the difference between the Palmer/Johnson combo and the Delhomme/Smith combo. As we have seen in recent years, if Steve Smith had a bad game, Delhomme likely had a shitty game as well. There have been very few exceptions to this, but as a whole, I try to avoid situations like that. But Manning/Wayne/Harrison, Palmer/Johnson, Brees/Colston I have no problem with. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you may want to avoid a Brady/anyone combo for the simple fact that he involves so many receivers into the mix, sometimes up to ~10 players. That's when you get into the "too many eggs" issue.

In general though, if you can get a top of the line QB and his favorite target, you are doing just fine, as long as the QB can be successful without a monster output from that specific WR.

- The Guru



V You have to take go RB, RB or at least RB, WR, RB in a 12 man league. YOu went RB, WR/QB, WR/QB, and took a RB in the 4th rd. I think that's a mistake. Point production is so vital in big leagues...it seems counter intuative to not follow up with a RB, especailly given the state of LJ and his O-line right now. And whats with taking Matt Jones instead if another RB? No one was available at that point? Brown, Henry, White, Bush (OAK)?

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 4:59 PM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 5:01 PM. Reason : asdf]

8/14/2007 4:48:35 PM

My starting 10:

QB- Carson Palmer
RB- Larry Johnson
RB- Marion Barber III
WR- Larry Fitzgerald
WR- Mark Clayton
TE- Tony Gonzalez
W/T- Greg Jennings
W/R- Matt Jones
DEF- Chicago
K- Neil Rackers


BN- Kevin Jones
BN- Eli Manning
BN- Dwayne Bowe
BN- Michael Turner
BN- Antwaan Randle El
BN- Dallas Clark


yay or nay? (12 team league)

8/14/2007 4:53:31 PM

drop Kevin Jones unless its a deep keeper league

8/14/2007 4:58:39 PM

^^see my above post.

8/14/2007 4:59:36 PM

my receivers did the bulk of my work last year (aside from LJ) and i think i was blinded by the fact that my qb situation cost me the league as well last year...drafted culpepper and warner and ended up using a different qb about every week so i took a flyer and drafted carson in the 3rd...i had julius jones last year and parcells never let him in the endzone so i am hoping barber takes the job and doesnt look back

8/14/2007 5:17:28 PM

#2 pick in the draft, 10 team league

taking steven jackson / lt, depending on what the person in front of me takes

now, if the rest all take RB's, should I get a lackluster 2nd RB, or go ahead and take a premiere WR, then grab the RB 3 picks later?

8/14/2007 5:48:38 PM

depends on who is there

8/14/2007 5:49:31 PM

panthro admit you were wrong man

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=481039&page=3#10632124

8/14/2007 5:55:20 PM

i just had a mock draft and picked up jackson, steve smith, mcgahee, drew brees, colston, heap, akers, miami's defense, and some solid Defensive players (champ bailey and j-pep)

if my draft goes that well i'll crush the competition this season.

8/14/2007 6:09:04 PM

what do you guys think of Desmond Clark as a backup TE to Chris Cooley?

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 6:41 PM. Reason : besides the obvious Gates, Winslow, and Gonzalez what do you think some other top TE's are]

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 6:41 PM. Reason : any rook TE's that are starting in a potential hotspot?]

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 6:42 PM. Reason : oh and why is Miami's D supposed to be so good this year?]

8/14/2007 6:40:27 PM

id say zack miller would be a good rookie sleeper

id like heath miller as a sleeper for TE's. Vernon davis could be great but i think id choose not to draft him this year to see if he can play a full season

[Edited on August 14, 2007 at 6:48 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2007 6:48:10 PM

anyone up for a mock draft?

PM me is so.

8/14/2007 7:43:48 PM

i see you can not admit when you are wrong

8/14/2007 8:21:10 PM

btw, I just saw on sportscenter that the Titans are planning on starting Lendale White this week. Chris Henry was given the start last week just to give him a chance to wow the coaches.

Jeff Fisher predicts that White will win the starting job come opening day

8/14/2007 8:24:13 PM

^exactly.

Boobs...I am happy to admit when I am worng. It's just a fact though that I am not wrong...yet.

Watch and see how Brown will get the start in the third preseason game...the most important one.

8/14/2007 8:39:13 PM