i know like 6 people in golf management but i'm in prt

6/26/2007 3:25:14 PM

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"Uh, how is being a Chemical Engineering major not coming from a "technical background"?"

aha

6/26/2007 3:27:32 PM

Best of all, he listed that he was a CHE in his profile!

Adorable!

[Edited on June 26, 2007 at 3:33 PM. Reason : I guess he doesn't have a technical background either.]

6/26/2007 3:31:05 PM

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"give it up almost everyone agrees that engineering is tougher then CHASS."

HUR

Unfortunately, this is an example of argumentum ad numerum ("argument or appeal to numbers"):

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"This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it's true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn't necessarily make it true or right."

One thing's for sure: You'll never prove your point with logical fallacies--and even the average CHASS student likely knows this.

6/26/2007 4:17:09 PM

I'd like to say college is harder than middle school, but I can't. It's all relative!

6/27/2007 3:53:41 PM

^They're both collegiate programs. Grow up.

6/27/2007 9:06:19 PM

third grade was the hardest elementary grade...that was the year you had to learn cursive

6/28/2007 2:54:22 AM

cursive was 2nd grade, foo.

6/28/2007 7:56:00 AM

I had it in third too. doesn't really matter though if it was second or third. I never write in cursive anyway.

6/28/2007 10:20:29 AM

I had it in second grade. I still can't even sign my name and make out the letters. Nobody writes in cursive

[Edited on June 28, 2007 at 1:37 PM. Reason : ]

6/28/2007 1:36:51 PM

i had it in 3rd grade and my teacher told us "this is how grownups write"...lol

6/28/2007 2:39:37 PM

lol yeah

6/28/2007 3:53:52 PM

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"Quote : "Uh, how is being a Chemical Engineering major not coming from a "technical background"?" aha"

Good, I graduated in ChE as well. You should realize that there is an AVERAGE population. If you were designing an industrial experiment and you collected data, would you draw your conclusions on outlying points or would you focus on the mean? Of course you would focus on the mean otherwise whatever process improvements you made wouldnt help anything. From the AVERAGE population perspective, ChE is much more demanding. Why? Because the ciriculum is designed that way. Ask your professors (esp Dr. Kelley).

6/29/2007 2:50:35 PM

My professors would be just as biased towards the "hardness" of their respective fields as any of the students in the program would be. It's still a subjective qualifier, not something you can extrapolate from data.

7/1/2007 5:06:35 PM

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"to summarize, she is saying engineering is really harder, but to her, chass is harder"

still needed on page 4.

7/2/2007 4:22:43 AM

i didnt think ECE was too bad, but i dont really have anything to compare it to.

[Edited on July 2, 2007 at 9:52 AM. Reason : d]

7/2/2007 9:48:17 AM

^^ but that's absolutely not what I said at all

7/2/2007 12:20:38 PM

whatever major stillfurshia is, is not the hardest major

7/2/2007 12:48:36 PM

hahahaha, dnl had the nerve to call me stupid

7/2/2007 12:56:41 PM

but that's absolutely not what I said at all

7/2/2007 1:09:39 PM

then please, explain

7/2/2007 1:48:01 PM

Do you think you are in the hardest major?

7/2/2007 2:43:54 PM

I don't think chemical engineering is easy, but as I've said, "hard" is a subjective measurement: I haven't tried all the other majors.

7/2/2007 9:26:50 PM

I knew you would agree with me

7/3/2007 5:06:58 AM

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"Good, I graduated in ChE as well. You should realize that there is an AVERAGE population. If you were designing an industrial experiment and you collected data, would you draw your conclusions on outlying points or would you focus on the mean? Of course you would focus on the mean otherwise whatever process improvements you made wouldnt help anything. From the AVERAGE population perspective, ChE is much more demanding. Why? Because the ciriculum is designed that way. Ask your professors (esp Dr. Kelley)."

bigun20

Concerning an "industrial experiment," it would depend in part on whether one was conducting a qualitative or quantitative study. In addition, concerning averages, I would be careful with the mean.

For example, using a mean, if Bill Gates walked into a room of 55 people, the average net worth in that room would be about $1 billion. In such a situation, the median would be a much more accurate indicator of individual net worth for that population--and Bill Gates would be the outlier.

In any event, once I read "ciriculum" (sic) in your post, I was not inclined to accept your argument. Sorry.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 2:41 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 2:28:51 AM

I work with another intern who is junior/senior in chemical engineering. He does great in school too(above a 3.5 GPA).

He also one of the dumbest and most worthless kids I've ever met.

7/25/2007 8:45:09 AM

colleges...

PAMS
E
CALS
then the rest:
design is hard but in a completely different way than any of the other colleges
i would put managment and CHASS together near the bottom

major wise: in no order
biological E
biomedical E
Chem E
AS E
Nuc E
Biochem
Bio
Chem
Physics


i've also met complete idiots in all of these degrees, doctors (all kinds) that don't know their asshole from their elbow are far more common than you would like to think

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 9:27 AM. Reason : s]

7/25/2007 9:26:29 AM

^^ we're not all dumb and worthless

But who is it?

7/25/2007 9:45:47 PM

just b/c its hard doesn't mean its impossible for an idiot to do

7/25/2007 10:49:05 PM

It's hard to defeat an idiot. They are just so damn resourceful ....

7/26/2007 11:29:21 AM

It's the idiot strength.



Hmm-mm.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 1:40 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 1:39:30 PM

conceptually physics is the hardest major

work load combined with concepts i would say it's a tie between

ChE/ECE/Aero


also, from my experience most engineers and scientists are excellent orators. the notion that engineers don't have communication skills is complete nonsense. to write and most importanly to convey engineering problem or technical theory to someone who is not familiar with subject matter requires exceptional verbal and written skills. this is is especially visible in work setting, where interdepartmental teams are brought to solve a large scale problem.

if you think an engineer is bad at communication, maybe check yourself first and possibly realize that subject is over your head. if thats the case, communication may be exceptional, but it could be your understanding may be weak, hence your conclusion that communication is bad.

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 5:18 PM. Reason : f]

7/27/2007 5:18:10 PM

Maybe you'd notice that I was also a Chemical Engineering major and could very well judge what terrible English skills I've witnessed in other engineering majors that were wholly unrelated to the difficulty of the subject matter (which I still easily understood, since I'm studying the same subject). I don't need to check myself if the topic is something I've been studying along with the rest of them.

I've still seen some absolutely terrible attempts at communication in the field. I'm in no way claiming it's a rampant plague on the entirety of engineering students, but to say that they're all great orators/communicators is an equal amount of bullshit, it's not that I "just don't understand the subject matter."

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 7:33 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2007 7:30:27 PM

Nobody understands what i going on in ECE.

Electrical enginerding is whats hard. Its the hardest major in any university (including wake technical university). Computer engineering is all about building computers all the day long. there, everyonesa rgument is now nullificated/

7/27/2007 7:41:27 PM

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 10:32 PM. Reason : gotta stop bein a jerk on here...]

7/27/2007 10:31:27 PM

^^^^ If these "excellent orators" you referred to were using jargon in their presentations to audiences that may not have had a certain level of understanding of engineering, then they already failed. One should always consider the audience when preparing to make a presentation or write a paper.

[FAIL]

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 11:16 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2007 11:12:22 PM

fail

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 11:43 PM. Reason : fail]

7/27/2007 11:43:37 PM

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"Maybe you'd notice that I was also a Chemical Engineering major and could very well judge what terrible English skills I've witnessed in other engineering majors that were wholly unrelated to the difficulty of the subject matter (which I still easily understood, since I'm studying the same subject). I don't need to check myself if the topic is something I've been studying along with the rest of them. I've still seen some absolutely terrible attempts at communication in the field. I'm in no way claiming it's a rampant plague on the entirety of engineering students, but to say that they're all great orators/communicators is an equal amount of bullshit, it's not that I "just don't understand the subject matter.""

that a pretty naive and premature opinion you have there. you also have to realize that to non-engineering students, the work and material that the engineering students work on is at a completely different level than the other majors so it can be perceived as "smarter" or "more complex" or as "wow, i could have never even figured out how to start explaining how something like that works". step outside yourself for a second and put things into perspective and you'll find a totally different view.

also you're judging future engineers on the skills they are currently discovering and building upon. and frankly, nobody coming out of school is going to be the hot shit badass engineer who knows absolutely everything and how to convey to others that they absolutely know everything. and many times, those engineers that think they're better than everyone else at everything usually get passed by for someone with a bit more humility who's willing to say "hey, i know i'm not quite there yet, but i want to be and i'm willing to keep learning to eventually get there."

when you get into the real world you'll easily discover who the great engineers working in your field are and you'll discover the engineers that have the potential to be great engineers but aren't quite ther yet as they are still refining themselves. sure, right now you can definitely point out the people you wouldn't ever want to work with in the real world, but you can't say one way or another how someone's going to turn out after they graduate based on their current skill set.

also, the curriculum (at least the ChemE curriculum) is built in such a way so you're prepared to step into the working world, not so you just have a mastery of engineering theory. a lot of people don't realize or understand the purpose of the non-theory based portion of the major...they just think that stuff isn't as important, when in actuality it's probably more important than completely understanding every detail of thermo. yeah, people probably do a great job of communicating a lot of BS about things they don't understand right now, but that's to be expected since you're not supposed to understand exactly how everything works right now....what's more important right now is that you have the skills to present and its better for those skills to suck now than later in life when it really counts.

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 11:53 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/27/2007 11:46:09 PM

I don't think you quite understand that I was arguing against the guy above who seemed to think that every engineer is completely capable/fluent in communications. I don't know how the ability of an engineering student to write/speak matters with regard to the subject matter, that's all. He was trying to insinuate that the only time engineering students have trouble communicating is when the jargon is over someone else's head. That's not what I saw at all, so I was just saying that the jargon doesn't faze me since I've studied the subject. I saw problems with rudimentary English, not the handling of the of the engineering concepts (and no, I don't think any engineering student claims to know everything about their subject).

And I wasn't trying to say that there's no possible way my lab partner would ever be successful, I was just wondering how the hell he managed to get to that level of study with such poor English skills. It really was shocking, and yeah, I hope he gets better at it because otherwise he really will have a hell of a time communicating anything in the workplace.

I don't quite know why you were inspired to call me "naive" and "premature" and write all of that stuff, though.

7/28/2007 5:49:14 PM

i hate that people make posts like this. define "hardest". most difficult to get into...or most difficult to come out with a degree from?

design school is hard to get into.

and argue as you will, but engineering classes can be difficult. but engineers find that while taking humanity courses, such as history or english, that they struggle in those. it depends how your brain works -- whether you're more of a math&sci person or language&history.

I would have to say that design school is most time consuming, vet school and engineering are the most difficult to progress in (engineering has highest transfer-out rate).

7/29/2007 5:39:09 PM

^ thanks for reading the thread

7/29/2007 8:40:06 PM

^^ i've had a hard time with humanities because of spending so much time on major classes

7/29/2007 9:03:56 PM

What's so hard about humanities classes? I always thought they were a nice diversion from engineering and did quite well in them.

7/30/2007 9:45:20 AM

for me at least, not much extra time

7/30/2007 10:52:53 AM

COLLEGE OF MANAGEMENT

7/30/2007 11:58:00 AM