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10/9/2007 6:45:40 PM

10/9/2007 6:50:55 PM

I'm going to buy an elise just to spite you

10/9/2007 6:56:37 PM

~50 grand to spite me, nice.

10/9/2007 6:57:20 PM

10/9/2007 6:58:06 PM

blackdog.

a lotus elise is not 50 grand.

10/9/2007 6:59:56 PM

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" 2007 ELISE Specifications USA MSRP $46,270 USD "

http://www.lotuscars.com/Elise.aspx

[Edited on October 9, 2007 at 7:05 PM. Reason : /]

10/9/2007 7:04:25 PM

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"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response. Etymology The contemporary use of the term first appeared on Usenet groups in the late 1980s . It is thought to be a truncation of the phrase trolling for suckers, itself derived from the fishing technique known as trolling. The latter can be compared with trawling. The word likely gained currency because of its apt second meaning, drawn from the trolls portrayed in Scandinavian folklore and children's tales; they are often ugly, obnoxious creatures bent on mischief and wickedness. The image of the troll under the bridge in the "Three Billy Goats Gruff" emphasizes the troll's negative reaction to outsiders intruding on its physical environment, particularly those who intend to graze in its domain without permission. The word occurs also in John Awdeley’s Fraternity of Vagabonds (1561) to characterize the first four of twenty-five types of disobedient male servants or "knaves." The first entrant in Awdeley's list is particularly illustrative: Troll and Troll by is he that setteth naught by no man, nor no man by him. This is he that would bear rule in a place and hath no authority nor thanks, and at last is thrust out of the door like a knave.[2] It seems a singularly apt description, though no provenance has ever been demonstrated to connect it with the modern usage. "Troll" was used in Santa Cruz, California, to designate homeless people by anti-homeless individuals, and a T shirt was worn, with the picture of a homeless person, a "not" line drawn through it, and the words "no trolls". The origin of the phrase has been discussed in oral arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court concerning the related term "patent troll" (eBay v. MercExchange, 29 March 2006): JUSTICE KENNEDY: Well, is -- is the troll the scary thing under the bridge, or is it a fishing technique?... MR. PHILLIPS [attorney for eBay]: For my clients, it's been the scary thing under the bridge.... JUSTICE KENNEDY: I mean, is that what the troll is? MR. PHILLIPS: Yes, I believe that's... what it is, although...maybe we should think of it more as Orcs, now that we have a new generation. Early history Prior to DejaNews's archiving of Usenet, accounts of trolling were sketchy, there being little evidence to sort through. After that time, however, the huge archives were available for researchers. Perhaps the earliest, although poorly documented, case is the 1982-83 saga of Alex and Joan from the CompuServe forums. Lindsy Van Gelder, a reporter for Ms. magazine, documented the incident in 1985 in an article for her publication. Alex (in real life a shy 50-year-old male psychiatrist from New York) pretended to be a highly bombastic, anti-religious, post-car-accident, wheelchair-bound, mute woman named "Joan", "in order to better relate to his female patients". This went on for two years, and "Joan" had become a hugely detailed character, with an array of emotional relationships. These only began to fall apart after "Joan" coaxed an online friend of hers into an affair with Alex. “ "Even those who barely knew Joan felt implicated — and somehow betrayed — by Alex's deception. Many of us on-line like to believe that we're a utopian community of the future, and Alex's experiment proved to us all that technology is no shield against deceit. We lost our innocence, if not our faith."[3] ” Trolling in the 1990s The most likely derivation of the word troll can be found in the phrase "trolling for newbies," popularized in the early 1990s in the Usenet group, alt.folklore.urban.[4][5] Commonly, what is meant is a relatively gentle inside joke by veteran users, presenting questions or topics that had been so overdone that only a new user would respond to them earnestly. For example, a veteran of the group might make a post on the common misconception that glass flows over time. Long-time readers would both recognize the poster's name and know that the topic had been done to death already, but new subscribers to the group would not "get it" and respond. These types of trolls served as a Shibboleth to identify group insiders. This definition of trolling, considerably narrower than the modern understanding of the term, was considered a positive contribution.[6][4] One of the most notorious AFU trollers, Snopes,[4] went on to create his eponymous urban folklore website. By the late 1990s, alt.folklore.urban had such heavy traffic and participation that trolling of this sort was frowned upon. Others expanded the term to include the practice of playing a seriously misinformed or deluded user, even in newsgroups where one was not a regular; these were often attempts at humor rather than provocation. In such contexts, the noun troll usually referred to an act of trolling, rather than to the author. Recently, the word troll is also frequently used as a synonym for flamebait, even though the two words have distinct meanings."

10/9/2007 7:15:59 PM

quit hatin you bitch

10/9/2007 7:31:40 PM

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"Intent Attributing intent to trolls is a very difficult issue since by its very nature to call someone a troll is to already assume an intent, that they are posting only to cause problems. So once a person is called a troll they have already been categorized by the speaker as someone with a certain intention. Many people call others trolls, few call themselves trolls, so a troll is not a self-constructed identity but rather is a category constructed via the speech act of calling someone a troll. Perhaps the more interesting question is the motivation for labeling others as trolls. Individuals so labeled find it offensive. Useful advice for dealing with someone considered to be a troll is, rather than using that term, to ask them questions such as: "What is your intent?" or other questions relevant to the discussion rather than using the ad hominem label "troll." Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others. The key element under attack by a troll is known only to the troll. A person who retaliates (using whatever means) as a result of a misunderstanding (or as a way of rebelling against the overzealous application of rules) is not a troll.[7] A troll is a person who approaches a board with the specific intention of stirring things up, either as a goal in and of itself or as a means of attacking the board perhaps motivated by opposition to the ethos of the board. For example, a neo-Nazi approaching a Jewish forum with the intention of attacking the members, purely because the neo-Nazi knows the forum to contain Jewish members, will be considered a troll. The general element, that determines whether a malicious user is a troll or not, is the level of indignant emotions present in the person, coupled with the person's history with the forum or group. An indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with the group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack that are characteristic of a troll attack. A troll's main goal is usually to arouse anger and frustration among the message board's other participants, and will write whatever it takes to achieve this end. One popular trolling strategy is the practice of Winning by Losing. While the victim is trying to put forward solid and convincing facts to prove his position, the troll's only goal is to infuriate its prey. The troll takes (what it knows to be) a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defends it while mocking and insulting its prey. The troll looks like a complete fool, but this is all part of the plan. The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the troll's argument. Provoking this anger was the troll's one and only goal from the very beginning. Identities In academic literature, the practice was first documented by Judith Donath (1999), who used several anecdotal examples from various Usenet newsgroups in her discussion. Donath's paper outlines the ambiguity of identity in a disembodied "virtual community":[8] In the physical world there is an inherent unity to the self, for the body provides a compelling and convenient definition of identity. The norm is: one body, one identity. ... The virtual world is different. It is composed of information rather than matter. Given the inherit ambiguity of internet identity one might question of anyone can ever be called a troll as opposed to a role-player. Donath provides a concise overview of identity deception games which trade on the confusion between physical and epistemic community: Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group. Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation." (Donath, 1999, p. 45)[2] The underground blogger group, the ZeitGhosts, started as a troll group, but eventually moved into more acceptable internet practices. They are responsible for starting the forwarding of hello.jpg and also the dancing baby. Usage The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument fallacy ad hominem. Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. A sign warning not to "feed the trolls". A sign warning not to "feed the trolls". Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding encourages a true troll to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning "Please do not feed the troll". The word troll is often and easily (mis)used as an ad hominem attack against someone whose viewpoints and input cannot otherwise be silenced (i.e., via banning). Its successful use and misuse reveals much about how starkly different the world of technicians is compared to normal social and political discourse. The term troll should be used with attention since it is a very easy way of undermining an opposing point of view. Sometimes, overly using the word "troll" may constitute trolling in itself. Established forum users might all agree on one side of a message as being the universal truth; in which case a "troll" might just be some outsider adding an opposing message."

10/9/2007 7:34:33 PM

I'd drive a lotus elise, yellow in color.

10/9/2007 7:39:54 PM

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"A troll's main goal is usually to arouse anger and frustration among the message board's other participants, and will write whatever it takes to achieve this end. One popular trolling strategy is the practice of Winning by Losing. While the victim is trying to put forward solid and convincing facts to prove his position, the troll's only goal is to infuriate its prey. The troll takes (what it knows to be) a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defends it while mocking and insulting its prey. The troll looks like a complete fool, but this is all part of the plan. The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the troll's argument. Provoking this anger was the troll's one and only goal from the very beginning."

It's all clear to me now

10/9/2007 7:42:15 PM

10/9/2007 7:43:41 PM

my e -penis is bigger than your lotus

10/9/2007 7:44:22 PM

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"S2000's are just as terrible."

My next purchase will be an orange z06


oh wait no the fuck it wont

10/9/2007 8:00:36 PM

it's 50ish well equipped

I'll get a green one

10/9/2007 8:10:47 PM

I am a big Z06 fan but you can't compare the cars.

Lotus-$40k-$50K-200 hp ( idk that much about the Lotus)
07 Z06-$70k-$75K-500 hp

I also read that the Lotus is the only sports car that actually creates downforce at speeds, which is pretty wild in my opinion. Just don't like the way they look.

just my .02

10/9/2007 10:46:48 PM

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"you can keep your drifting, I'll take the drag strip."

nobody's talking about drifting

and drag racing is cool, but not as cool as road racing

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" I bet 90% of the owners never use them for their intended purposes and are trying to overcompensate for something."

i doubt it. people buy Z4s, Boxsters, and Corvettes to pose and cruise around in. If you buy an Elise, you're probably pretty serious.

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"S2000's are just as terrible."

S2000 is a great sports car, too.

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"$43,990 for a "loaded" 1.8L 190hp I4 that does 0-60 in 4.9s and gets 25-29mpg or $44,250 for a stripped down 6.0L 400hp V8 that does 0-60 4.3s and gets 18-27mpg"

Elises don't come "loaded". They are either "spartan" or "more spartan".

Horsepower output is completely meaningless in this case.

Few people who buy either car give a flying fuck about fuel economy.

Nobody cares at all about 0-60. 1/4 mile is the acceleration benchmark.

and on top of that, while the Elise is pretty quick through the 1/4, that's not why anyone buys it.

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"So how many times has the NCSU DARPA Urban Challenge team wrecked that Lotus they have yet? I can't imagine why they would choose such an expensive car for that."

and one with a MONOCOQUE CHASSIS! wickedly difficult to repair.

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"a lotus elise is not 50 grand."

true.

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"it's 50ish well equipped"

no such thing

although i know what you're trying to say




Look, the C6 (and even C5) Vettes are capable performance cars. I like them (particularly the C6). They're too big for a sports car, but I still like them. I've thought about buying a C5 on a couple of occassions (to the point of making offers on a couple of them, to include a Z06).

I've owned an S2000. Great sports car. I've thought about buying another one (sans supercharger this time, probably, just for money purposes).

I've owned a Miata. Again, great sports car. Mine had thorougly worked over suspension, stout roll bar and chassis bracing, big wilwood brakes, and about 240 rwhp, and none of that hurt...but even bone stock, they're a helluva lot of fun. I'm giving very serious thought towards buying another one (maybe a 99+ model this time, who knows...and maybe building the engine and putting an even bigger turbo on it, shooting for 275-300 rwhp this time).

and the Elise is just fucking phenomenal. You can find something quicker around a racetrack (although it's nasty fast), but it is arguably THE ultimate sports car to ever see real production (and the things that could be argued as competitors to that title are pretty few in number). I want one big time.


I love straight line speed just as much as any sports car afficionado, but killer handling and agility are what really make a sports car entertaining. Any dumbass can stomp on the gas and haul ass in a straight line, but unless you are of simple automotive mind, the novelty wears off.

[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 1:47 AM. Reason : asfasdf]

10/10/2007 1:45:42 AM

/thread

10/10/2007 3:03:00 AM

cmon hoss lets roll

10/10/2007 7:17:59 AM

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" i doubt it. people buy Z4s, Boxsters, and Corvettes to pose and cruise around in. If you buy an Elise, you're probably pretty serious."

Generalize much? I've seen 3 elises in the Cary area being driven like shit boxes by women that don't look (yes, stereotyping here) anything like they'd be a "racer". Of course, 1/4 of the tools out of the Garage don't look like they'd be racers either, and they still pose like such.

10/10/2007 7:21:02 AM

im not sure which way i can go with that arguement.

ive seen a few elises and of course i see the stickers on them. so that has to mean something, right... right...?? bueller? anyone??

then again, like ^ said, lots of posers. lots of ferrari owners have taken their cars to a "track day" which involves following a line of cars, and they claim they track their cars.

so im up in the air with this

10/10/2007 7:27:41 AM

Well, you can add this thread to the growing mountain of evidence that BlackDog is a complete fucktard.

Here, read this:

http://www.topgear.com/content/carsurvey/2006/features/03/1.html

10/10/2007 8:20:22 AM

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"Any dumbass can stomp on the gas and haul ass in a straight line, but unless you are of simple automotive mind, the novelty wears off."

hahaha

/thread

10/10/2007 8:33:56 AM

yea and you are the same guys that think NASCAR is boring.

/thread

10/10/2007 1:23:55 PM

it is, except when cars blow up

/thread

10/10/2007 4:54:02 PM

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"So how many times has the NCSU DARPA Urban Challenge team wrecked that Lotus they have yet? I can't imagine why they would choose such an expensive car for that."

because it was donated by Lotus research before you make assumptions.

10/10/2007 5:10:28 PM

^^^ i like just about any and all motorsports

but i like pretty much any roadracing more than most any circle track stuff


i like to watch the NASCAR road races, just because i think it's cool to see those pig-heavy, low-tech monsters ripping around a circuit, but the way half the teams bring in ringers to drive is SUPER GAY. that, and half the time it's kinda like a monkey fucking a football...so many wrecks and off track excursions.

10/11/2007 12:55:58 AM

I've always liked these cars. The first time I saw one was in Gran Turismo and I was like woah wtf is that. A guy in the building where I work has a yellow one.

I only worry about what would happen if you got in a nasty wreck in one of those things.

10/11/2007 2:46:43 AM

same thing that would happen in a nasty wreck in any (newish) car, totals the car, airbags pop, usually the person inside is ok

sydney moon is the chick in the boobs gif i think...

[Edited on October 11, 2007 at 3:12 PM. Reason : s]

10/11/2007 3:11:07 PM

was this about noen?

11/5/2008 10:33:08 AM

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"Your car is overpriced and ugly. For 50 grand you could have had a Vette."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

AND you could have bought a nice mobile home AND Satellite dish DUUUDE!

11/5/2008 10:34:42 AM

AHAHAHAHA SOMEBODY SPOTTED FUCKIN Neon.

11/5/2008 10:35:34 AM

I almost bought one -silver with red leather burgundy interior. yummy.

11/5/2008 10:38:02 AM

i think this was pre-neon having one

11/5/2008 10:39:15 AM

WHO IN THE FUCK CARES YOU STUPID METRO ASS BITCH?

11/5/2008 10:41:58 AM

he bought his after this right?

11/5/2008 10:51:32 AM

wait who wears jorts?

11/5/2008 10:52:45 AM

tim tebow?

11/5/2008 10:53:10 AM