It's already been released to manufacturing as of February 4th ( http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/bb738089.aspx ) and then Microsoft made it available to TechNet and MSDN customers on February 14th and they speculate a full public release in mid-March ( http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/tags/SP1/default.aspx )

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 12:30 AM. Reason : If you want it now, I bet you will find it floating about if you look in the right places.]

2/21/2008 12:26:32 AM

any word on whether or not it will fix some compatibility issues and not eat so many resources?

2/21/2008 12:36:29 AM

Hah, right. That's a good one

2/21/2008 12:43:48 AM

Microsoft pulls Vista SP1 update
http://www.news.com/Microsoft-pulls-Vista-SP1-update/2100-1016_3-6231299.html?tag=ne.fd.mnbc

2/21/2008 12:13:00 PM

just for clarification, they pulled an update, not the service pack

2/21/2008 1:49:56 PM

Yay came out today!

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/21/microsoft-lets-loose-vista-sp1-for-x64-based-systems/

Just waiting for my windows update to see it.

2/21/2008 3:08:01 PM

any (legal) way to download this separately from running windows update? i'd rather download it here at work where it's quicker anyway

i know you could download the XP service packs as separate files

2/21/2008 3:30:42 PM

I don't have it as an available update, and I'm x64

2/21/2008 6:05:13 PM

I downloaded it from MSDN yesterday and installed it. Worked flawlessly. Seems to be much the same as the beta version. Bit more stable, faster network file transfers, etc. I'd recommend it. I did make sure I had that problematic windows update installed first.

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 6:37 PM. Reason : ]

2/21/2008 6:36:30 PM

^^They "roll" it out. Don't know exactly what this means but it doesn't show up on everyones computer first. Like i got it first, then my other roommate, and my third roommate hasn't gotten it yet.

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 7:24 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2008 7:23:59 PM

Quote :

"any (legal) way to download this separately from running windows update? i'd rather download it here at work where it's quicker anyway i know you could download the XP service packs as separate files"

1.) Get RTM via a torrent. Its legally fuzzy, but I dont think microsoft would care. If you have an SA forums account you can go to this thread and get it off the unnofficial SA tracker. I got it at 1.4MB/s and i'll leave my fat rr fiber pipe up to seed, so if you have an SA account i'd get it there.

2.) Technet pro or whatever can download it from MSDN.

3.) Wait for it to go live on windows update and get the standalone installer which should be released the same day.

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 7:30 PM. Reason : a]

2/21/2008 7:30:14 PM

installing SP1 for the x64 ultimate edition right now...we'll see how it works out

on a related note, i just a couple of days ago got this x64 version installed on the laptop...i've got 4gb of RAM and it's consistently hovering between 35-50% usage just being on doing "normal" things (like posting on tdbu )

really, this is very different from my initial experience with vista...assuming SP1 doesn't trash my system (which i don't expect it will do), i'm pretty happy with vista's snappiness...i'm running aero with nvidia 8400GS graphics, so maybe that has something to do with it (i mean, it's a laptop), but i'm really pretty impressed...as it's been mentioned before, i don't really care that vista USE the memory it has available, since that's why it's there

my 7200rpm seagate drive (with PMR) should be here next week, so i wonder if that'll help as well

2/23/2008 10:33:31 AM

alright, question:

how do i change the locations of the user's folder link on the desktop in vista? i've tried googling, but the vast majority of what i get refers to changing the location of those individual folders that you access once you've clicked the user's link on the desktop...

i can't believe it's this difficult - i'm sure i'm not the only one that has "my documents" on separate partition in order to preserve them in case of a system crash or reinstall, and yet i can't for the life of me figure out how do this in vista...or is vista just that retarded?

2/23/2008 8:07:38 PM

It's not that difficult, I'm surprised you couldn't find it in a Google search ... but anyway, I'm lazy and didn't want to type it all up myself so I did a quick Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?q=change+users+folders+vista

Note: When you are done with this, use MKLINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link to create a symbolic link from C:\Users to wherever you put your Users directory, that way programs with hard-coded links will not be broken.

BTW, This is the first result from the search:
http://joshmouch.wordpress.com/2007/04/07/change-user-profile-folder-location-in-vista/

Quote :

"Here is how I moved my user profile location. Please note that I wanted all of the profiles moved, included Public and Default, so some of these steps can be skipped if you do not want that: 1. Make sure you have a complete backup of your system! 2. Copy the original Default Profile directory to the new location (e.g. from C:\Users\Default to D:\Users\Default). 3. Copy the original Public Profile directory to the new location (e.g. from C:\Users\Public to D:\Users\Public). 4. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList. 5. Change the value of the Default key to the new user profile location (e.g. D:\Users\Default). 6. Change the value of the Public key to the new user profile location (e.g. D:\Users\Public). 7. Change the value of the ProfilesDirectory to the new user profile location (e.g. D:\Users). 8. At this point, you need to restart and log back in as a different user that has never logged in before and therefore does not have a profile created. In my case, the Administrator user had never logged in before so I enabled it so that Administrator could log in and used that. You can enable Administrator login by loading Computer Management and then go to User Accounts, edit the properties for Administrator, and then uncheck Disable Login. 9. After logging in for the first time with the new user account, you will see “Creating Desktop” and other things like that while Windows is creating your profile. Note that the new profile should be created in the new location. 10. After logging in, try to close as many applications as possible. This will prevent most files from being locked so that you cannot copy them. 11. Copy the entire original user profiles folder from the original location to the new location (e.g. C:\Users\* to D:\Users\). (See next step after copy starts). 12. There are a few things to note during this copy. There were thousands of .TMP files that were locked and would not copy. I just skipped these files. I held down Alt-S so that I could see all of the skipped files and make sure that there were only .TMP files being skipped. Yes, this took a little while, but at least I was confident that I got all of my files copied. This process could probably be made easier using the command prompt or powershell. 13. If, in your case, there are some files that will not copy, you can run procexp.exe, which is file provided by sysinternals. Then do a Find Handle and search for part of the filename. procexp will tell you which programs are locking the file. As long as you closed as many programs as you could, though, this should not happen. 14. Find and download a program that will do a Search & Replace on the registry. I will not suggest one because I did not find one single program that worked perfectly. I ended up downloading a few different freeware applications and using all of them. 15. Using the Registry Search & Replace program, do a search for the original user profile folder and replace it with the new user profile folder (e.g. search for “C:\Users” and replace with “D:\Users”. Note that some of the applications I used would only change values and not key names. However, the keys that needed to be chagned were all related to MuiCache. I do not know if these actually need to be updated. I did just to make sure. 16. Log out. Log back in with the same user. Repeat step 14 until there is nothing left to replace. The reason for this step is that on logout, some programs seem to update the registry using the old user profile path. 17. Run regedit.exe and do a search for the original user profile path and make sure it does not exist. The reason for this step is because (as noted in step 13), I did not trust any of the Registry Search & Replace programs I used. I ended up needing to update about a dozen of the keys and values manually, since the search & replace missed them. 18. So that you can easily find programs that do not use the registry and hard-coded profile paths, rename your original profile folder (e.g. rename C:\Users to C:\~Users). 19. Log out. Log back in as your usual user. Everything should be working correctly except for programs that use a “hardcoded” user profile location. 20. There are two easy methods that can be used to find programs that use a “hardcoded” profile location and are still looking for the original user profile path. You can use the procexp.exe trick mentioned above and search for handles in the original profile location. You can also monitor the oringal profile location to see if any new folders or files were created. For example, in my case, FolderShare created some folders and files in the directory C:\Users\MyUsername\AppData\Local\FolderShare\. So, I updated the FolderShare settings to point to the different path and then deleted the C:\Users directory (note that C:\~Users still existed as a backup). 21. Since you are now confident that all of your data has been moved (right??????), you can deleted the backup of the original user profile location (e.g. C:\~Users). "

[Edited on February 23, 2008 at 9:18 PM. Reason : .]

2/23/2008 9:16:45 PM

^ thanks...i'm usually one of the first ones to sarcastically point to google, but i guess i was making my searches too specific...i'll try that out tomorrow...i do wish, however, that they had kept the XP style of "my documents"

2/23/2008 9:22:35 PM

After installing sp1 it seems like vista uses a little less ram. Used to be 30-35% and now it's 20-25%. The biggest change i noticed was the network transfer times were greatly reduced, which was a relief. Anyone notice anything else?

2/24/2008 5:44:38 AM

Quote :

"Vista is far more powerful than windows XP, and runs twice as fast. It is also much harder to pirate, and this point more than anything else has the Linux crowd in a panic. It wont be long until Windows XP is no longer supported, and when that happens, what is Linux going to do ? Linux will have to find a way to work under Vista from here on, since it wont be able to rely on XP being readily available anymore. Linux may seem like a good alternative to Office, but all that is happening in linux is that the windows interface is cleverly hidden away. It still needs the drivers and software services in order to run, and in most cases - that happens WITHOUT a valid windows licence. This is just plain piracy. Vista will finally put an end to this blatant abuse of intellectual property, and linux should decline, taking the pirates with it. Anyone that supports the continuation of Windows XP in place of Vista surely has a hidden agenda .. and you will surely be caught out."

what he said




[Edited on February 24, 2008 at 6:09 AM. Reason : jerryleecooper]

2/24/2008 6:08:26 AM

wow

2/24/2008 11:07:36 AM

^^wow that dude is crazy stupid.

This is even funnier:

Quote :

"You are kidding arent you ? Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ? That sounds preposterous to me. If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this. Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft. Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible. I think you need to re-examine your assumptions. "

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806&start=43

2/24/2008 5:27:33 PM

ordered my laptop last friday


definitely got the ole XP Pro. put on it instead of Vista Home...

2/24/2008 7:14:16 PM

how might one get ALL of the folders in vista to display the same? i've tried doing it like i did in XP (set one folder to be exactly like i want, go into folder options, and apply to all folders) and (of course) that doesn't work worth crap

i googled, but might be looking for the wrong thing...i just want ALL my folders to look the same...not this bullshit where when i add another folder/file to a particular place it resets itself to those massive icons...it's really pissing me off because i can't imagine people really want to see 4 icons to a damn window (yes, i'm exaggerating, but still)

3/1/2008 10:39:51 PM

Vista works by folder types...

Like media, documents, etc... so when you hit "apply to all" it only works for folders of the same "type".

To change the default for ALL folder types in Vista see this:
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/70819-windows-explorer-folder-view-settings.html

3/1/2008 11:57:00 PM

Don't worry, Vista has random issues with folder views, so if you set it, it may forget it. It's happened to me occasionally, still can't figure out the root cause.

http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t537291.html

It's not a disabling problem overall, but can be annoying when it strikes.

3/2/2008 2:08:25 PM

^^ that did it just fine...i pretty much just downloaded their pre-made .reg file (after checking the manual steps to make sure i wasn't about to trash my computer)...ran the .reg, rebooted, set my folders like i wanted, applied to all folders and BAM, it worked...thanks!

[Edited on March 4, 2008 at 8:05 AM. Reason : .]

3/4/2008 8:05:03 AM

Anyone else use total commander?
http://www.ghisler.com/

3/4/2008 5:25:17 PM

Btw, Vista SP1 is being pushed to Windows Update tomorrow ... but you may not be able to download it if your system has known incompatible drivers installed.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11116

Quote :

"Customers will have two ways to obtain SP1: a stand-alone installer can be downloaded directly from Microsoft's Download Center or users can get the update through Windows Update where it will be labeled as an optional update. Systems that have drivers which are currently known to be incompatible with SP1 will not be permitted to install the update."

3/17/2008 10:54:00 AM

so basically i just got done downloading sp1


gonna give her a go. wish me luck

3/18/2008 9:14:31 PM

just got it and Safari

3/18/2008 10:24:43 PM

so is it worth giving vista another chance with sp1?

3/18/2008 10:32:01 PM

i can definitely tell that scanning pdfs is faster (i do it everyday for work) but photos and general flipping through folders is still slower than xp on the very same machine

3/18/2008 10:33:39 PM

Reports say that SP1 really doesn't improve that much. Maybe the reports are jumping the gun ... we'll see.

Stick with XP for now unless you're feeling adventurous or just want to use something new. It's not horrible, just has random issues that crop up.

3/18/2008 11:34:35 PM

Only really big difference i noticed in sp1 was that network file transfers were faster and don't get hung up.

3/18/2008 11:36:04 PM

55 pages of "Notable Changes in Windows Vista SP1"
http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/4/a/f4a35b2b-2f62-4104-a3e6-5f7bc1318e9f/Notable%20changes%20in%20Windows%20Vista%20SP1.pdf

3/19/2008 10:47:32 AM

does vista have any built in webcam utilities?

3/19/2008 10:55:22 AM

^^ still kinda crappy compared to XP, though

that said, i've been running SP1 for almost a month, and i'm pretty happy with vista's stability and speed (save for the small things that everyone notices, like network transfers)

3/19/2008 10:56:29 AM

what does my post have anything to do with XP?

i'll still be running XP SP3 at home until Vista comes in at a decent speed for gaming, etc...

i use Vista 64-bit at work and it's awesome, great performance out of it, i think Vista really shines when it has 4+GB to work with on 64-bit.

3/19/2008 11:35:59 AM

Quote :

"what does my post have anything to do with XP?"

i forgot an arrow...my bad

3/19/2008 11:37:44 AM

^^yeah vista ultimate 64 bit is awesome. I currently have 4 gigs, but i'm hoping to get another 4 soon so i can disable the page file and really speed things up.

3/19/2008 6:23:17 PM

blah, no audigy 2 platinum 5.1 support eh?

3/22/2008 5:18:26 AM

I pray nightly that Windows 7 will deliver on the promises

3/22/2008 6:31:28 AM

probably not, wasn't vista supposed to be there last "OS" or am I thinking some sort of package thing they aren't doing anymore (been a few months about something that i really don't care that much about so memory of it is not exactly sharp)

[Edited on March 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM. Reason : x]

3/22/2008 3:34:43 PM

So I downloaded SP1 the other day when it came out on windows update and used it fine for a couple days. Then when I got back last night from spending the weekend at my parents' house, it was sitting on a BSOD. Since last night I've had 6 different BSODs everything from Page Fault in Non-paged Area to Driver IRQL Not Less or Equal and it cycle booted once but luckily powering the system down somehow fixed that issue. I don't know for sure if this is SP1 related or completely freak accident but the computer is only a month old and its a Seagate hard drive so I don't really think it's the hardware. Also, I ran Vista for a month pre-SP1 and never had a BSOD at all. So I'm probably going to be reformatting tonight.

Tried a system restore this morning but it still BSODs

[Edited on March 24, 2008 at 9:31 AM. Reason : system restore]

3/24/2008 9:31:14 AM

Its Vista people, I dont know why the hell you guys are surprised you see a BSOD, especially when its just now at SP1.

3/24/2008 9:50:25 AM

^^ actually, i just installed vista for the first time on my desktop, and i've caught it shutting down once or twice...i think it's tied to folding@home, though

^ actually, i've had great luck with my laptop running vista...the desktop issue seems to be tied to beta software

3/24/2008 10:17:49 AM

Quote :

"Its Vista people, I dont know why the hell you guys are surprised you see a BSOD, especially when its just now at SP1."

I can honestly say that I have never seen the BSOD on Vista. I've been running it on 3 separate and very different machines at home since it was released. The only time I ever have to restart it at all is when one of my sidebar gadgets brings my system to a crawl.

3/24/2008 10:37:18 AM

yeah 2 of my roommates and i have been running 64 bit for a while with sp1. have yet to see a bsod post or pre sp1. my xp laptop is the only computer that crashes.

-although it seems that vista bsods ive heard or read about have been due to older hardware. which still isnt good.

[Edited on March 24, 2008 at 12:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2008 12:01:53 PM

running Vista Enterprise SP1 x64.... i've benchmarked a ~3.6% performance increase in CAD/BIM/3D work

3/24/2008 1:06:55 PM

My point was that I've never seen one pre-SP1 and supposedly they fixed all those bugs when they decided to wait on it and that's exactly what happened to me after SP1

3/24/2008 1:38:00 PM

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/03/24/microsoft-offers-free-phone-support-for-vista-sp1/

lol

Quote :

"While most Download Squad readers who took part in our informal poll say that Windows Vista SP1 has either improved their Vista performance, or at least hasn't broken their PCs, some folks are bound to have issues with any upgrade. And over 100 of you told us that Vista SP1 has caused some problems for you. Fortunately, it looks like Microsoft is offering some help. The company will offer support for Vista SP1installation and compatibility issues through March 18, 2009. You can either submit your questions via email, login to a support chatroom, or call 1-866-234-6020 to receive free telephone support. Or you could just uninstall Service Pack 1 and wait for Service Pack 2 or Windows 7, whichever is released first. "

3/24/2008 1:38:12 PM

looking back at XP, it didn't really turn into a success until SP2 as well... it seems to be the magic service pack number

3/24/2008 1:56:52 PM