i dont think hes a good speaker(electability factor)

8/20/2008 9:50:28 PM

Bill Richardson on the gay issues debate hosted by Melissa Etheridge, when asked, said that he thought that being gay was absolutely a choice. When Etheridge asked again to make sure he understood the question, he repeated that it was a choice.

Anyways, that bothered me.

8/20/2008 11:06:58 PM

The Skinny on Evan Bayh:



Based on his voting record:

Favors:
Abortion is a woman's right
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
Support & expand free trade
Expand the armed forces
Allow churches to provide welfare services

Strongly Favors:
More federal funding for health coverage
Require hiring more women & minorities
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
Death Penalty
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
Make taxes more progressive
Stricter limits on political campaign funds

Opposes:
Teacher-led prayer in public schools
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
Privatize Social Security
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws

Strongly Opposes:
Absolute right to gun ownership
Parents choose schools via vouchers

No opinion: US out of Iraq


http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Evan_Bayh.htm

8/21/2008 1:02:00 AM

^^so is there like a "gay gene" or what?

8/21/2008 9:30:50 AM

It doesn't bother me...homophobia is what scares me, but no one knows where the impulse to be attracted to your own sex comes from scientifically.

behavioral scientists will tell you it is still an environmental and development set of psychology that does it....doesn't mean it's implicitly a 'choice' as so much as a set of experiences someone goes through that dispositions them to be gay.

8/21/2008 9:35:16 AM

^^^^ he's hispanic. he has to say that.

8/21/2008 10:36:54 AM

Quote :

"Democratic officials said little-known Texas Rep. Chet Edwards was one of the few Democrats whose background was checked by Obama's campaign and he was a finalist for the job."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080822/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes

6 minutes ago

[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

8/22/2008 11:44:36 AM

Obama / Edwards '08

lol

8/22/2008 12:50:49 PM

Choice is likely a joke anyway. At best, our supposed free will comes from random quantum activity.

That said, I utterly reject any notions of hardwired sexuality. Sexual behavior changes dramatically based on the circumstances. Our current ideas of sexual orientation are a modern construct.

8/22/2008 12:58:05 PM

Considering how ill informed the majority of the electorate is, I wouldn't want the name Edwards on my ticket if I were Obama.

Quote :

"Our current ideas of sexual orientation are a modern construct."

Yeah, it has nothing to do with millions of years of evolution.

[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 1:02 PM. Reason : .]

8/22/2008 12:59:45 PM

the idea of marriage due to love is only like two centuries old

8/22/2008 1:19:51 PM

what does marriage have to do with sexual orientation?

And besides that isn't true, marriages for love weren't that uncommon amongst the more "common" classes. Hell, in antiquity, talking pre-christian era, people got married because they were in love with each other.

8/22/2008 1:31:52 PM

Quote :

"Yeah, it has nothing to do with millions of years of evolution."

While evolution may have produced the concept of sexual orientation, the species survived without it.

8/22/2008 1:45:31 PM

ummmmmmmmmmmm...back to the topic?

8/22/2008 1:46:32 PM

sorry...when i saw yall talking about edwards i forgot that chet dudes last name was edwards

8/22/2008 2:24:49 PM

Quote :

"the idea of marriage due to love is only like two centuries old"

i'd like to hear you expound on that.

8/22/2008 2:40:56 PM

i admit it

i was trolling because it was starting to slip down familiar RAWR HOMO soap box territory and i wanted to see what would happen if i slipped in something more ridiculous than usual

8/22/2008 2:45:19 PM

well, there has been a lot of history where marriages were arranged. so it wasnt completely inconceivable.

8/22/2008 3:19:15 PM

So when does Jesus announce his Peter?

8/22/2008 3:32:30 PM

When do Christians who apparently don't mind passing judgement actually begin following the bible?

8/22/2008 3:41:37 PM

Quote :

"Bill Richardson on the gay issues debate hosted by Melissa Etheridge, when asked, said that he thought that being gay was absolutely a choice. When Etheridge asked again to make sure he understood the question, he repeated that it was a choice. Anyways, that bothered me."

http://www.bilerico.com/2007/11/bill_richardson_i_screwed_up.php

just some food for thought

8/22/2008 3:55:50 PM

what? I was just making reference to the messianic nature of Obama and his faithful. I'm by no means a Christian.

8/22/2008 3:56:02 PM

lol thats what all the repubs say

8/22/2008 4:01:43 PM

hey boo

(I'm not a Republican either)

8/22/2008 4:05:59 PM

this is like waiting for indiana jones 4

8/22/2008 4:29:52 PM

Barack Hussein Obama has picked his VP. It's hooksaw. He's trying to nail down that angry middle aged dumb white man vote.

8/22/2008 5:01:45 PM

so who here is on BHO's text message list?

8/22/2008 5:39:37 PM

i keep thinking of BTO






[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 5:44 PM. Reason : ]

8/22/2008 5:44:11 PM

i wish that Obama's middle name was Robert.

then his initials would be "BRO"

much cooler than BHO

8/22/2008 5:48:27 PM

^^ Ride ride ride, let it ride . . .


The only thing worse than waiting for Obama's announcement, is watching Wolf Blitzer waiting for Obama's announcement.

8/22/2008 6:03:17 PM

Quote :

"KMBC's Micheal Mahoney reported that the company, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material... MORE..."

8/22/2008 6:07:46 PM

^you can buy Obama/Bayh, Obama/Clinton, Obama/Biden, and Obama/Kaine stickers from the bootleg carts in Union Square in DC. they've had those all week.

8/22/2008 8:01:56 PM

I was just drudging it

The graphic design on the sticker they showed wasn't nearly the caliber of the campaign

--

here's some "real" news

Quote :

"NBC: Bayh, Kaine out of Obama’s veep race...Officials said text message on choice will go out Saturday morning"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26336195/

[Edited on August 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM. Reason : +]

8/22/2008 8:26:14 PM

Quote :

"so who here is on BHO's text message list?"

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8/22/2008 8:47:11 PM

interesting. this had the potential to be a masterful free media ploy, but I think he drug it out too long. A rare misstep, but not one likely to hurt him.

8/22/2008 8:56:37 PM

like the media's gonna turn on him

8/22/2008 8:59:39 PM

its gonna be pat buchanon. the guy has earned his due!!!!

8/22/2008 9:02:55 PM

Vice President Jeremiah Wright!

8/22/2008 11:22:17 PM

Quote :

"this had the potential... but I think he drug it out too long."

8/22/2008 11:27:25 PM

ABC is now reporting that the Secret Service has been dispatched to Biden's house.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/us-secret-servi.html

So there's that.

8/23/2008 12:18:24 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/16/politics/main4184011.shtml

how is huckabee not even a contender anymore??

8/23/2008 1:13:30 AM

yeah, this is how a corporation releases bad earnings, not how you introduce a new VP

8/23/2008 1:14:50 AM

Quote :

"drunknloaded The Puppet Master 136759 Posts user info edit post biden vp for obama? [Edited on December 13, 2007 at 6:10 PM. Reason : that would be my wet dream] 12/13/2007 6:10:24 PM"

looks like i'm gonna be having a wet dream tonight, according to goldengirls thread in chit chat

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/veepstakes;_ylt=AhHJI3KDIFN7jPKPFyK2xhJh24cA

[Edited on August 23, 2008 at 2:09 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2008 2:08:39 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080822/pl_politico/12711




hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


personally i always wanted for mccain to pick the mormon cause i thought it made it easier for obama to win

[Edited on August 23, 2008 at 3:59 AM. Reason : and i thought the mormon was better on the economy than some preacher]

8/23/2008 3:57:36 AM

I actually think Huckabee is pretty stand up guy. I hate to say it but he struck me as such.

8/23/2008 9:19:10 AM

A former minister as President..............ummmmmmm............

8/23/2008 11:27:35 AM

come on kainen.

huckabee thinks the universe is 6000 years old.

8/23/2008 12:51:51 PM

^ People believe crazy things. Joe Biden actually believes that raising the minimum wage will actually help poor people more than it hurts them, even though economic theory and empirical evidence suggests this is very very unlikely in most cases.

Yet...look whos on the VP spot??

And yes, I actually do believe that most progressive economic policies (min wage, tarrifs on trade, etc) are akin to Creationism. To support them requires ignoring clear empirical evidence to the contrary. And I seriously doubt anyone can argue other wise. They're akin to red-meat republican, supply-side bs.

[Edited on August 23, 2008 at 1:18 PM. Reason : ``]

8/23/2008 1:14:57 PM

because not having a minimum wage did so much for us. we should just abandon all labor laws.

8/23/2008 1:34:40 PM

McCain will likely pick Willard so they can continue to beat the "drill here, drill now, drill in the skulls of baby seals" mantra that seems to be appealing to the sheep.

8/23/2008 1:39:14 PM