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6/28/2008 12:28:23 PM

Factory Production spec ZR1 does 7:26.4 on the ring.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=2063806

6/28/2008 2:33:27 PM

^ video http://www.gmnext.com/Videos.aspx?id=e7b521ec-a2c0-4ed4-830e-6143258dde28

7/13/2008 1:02:20 AM

and that was just with an engineer driving. the times will be going much lower when they let some race drivers in there. i'll bet they wait for the spec V to get some numbers out, then bring in a good driver for the vette to stomp it.

7/13/2008 11:53:19 PM

Thats what I'm hoping for

7/14/2008 12:30:00 AM

yeah, i think nissan will be more willing to lose the dick-wagging contest than chevy will.

7/14/2008 1:33:55 AM

fi+6.2 liter v8 >fi+ 3.8liter v6 NOO WAAAYY!!!

7/14/2008 7:54:01 AM

^^i doubt it. if all the little tricks they've pulled to pass the base gtr off as a better performer than it really is are any indication, i don't see why the same efforts won't be made to put the spec v in the spotlight. it seems that nissan is focused just as much on image if not more so than actual performance vs. the corvette camp. which isn't a bad idea at all when you're in the business of selling cars, the right image takes you a long way and makes a lot of money.

^point? that has nothing to do with the fact that nissan is falling far short of all the gtr was claimed to be. time will tell if they redeem themselves with the spec v. i personally hope they do and both cars are a huge success. people might have their favorites for whatever reason, but as performance enthusiasts we should all have the common goal of keeping real world cars like this coming no matter the name on it.

7/14/2008 6:15:12 PM

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"it seems that nissan is focused just as much on image if not more so than actual performance vs. the corvette camp. which isn't a bad idea at all when you're in the business of selling cars, the right image takes you a long way and makes a lot of money. "

that's what i mean...i think Nissan will be more willing to concede the title of Biggest Hammer to the ZR1, and just be content to talk their car up regardless.

7/14/2008 6:33:57 PM

ah, agreed. who knows though, they might have something up their sleeve with the spec v. we'll see soon.

7/14/2008 6:38:29 PM

AWD = win

7/14/2008 6:46:16 PM

Yeah if you're not a talented driver.

7/14/2008 7:01:54 PM

further emphasis

7/14/2008 10:54:46 PM

+ launch control + automatic

7/14/2008 11:33:31 PM

the first privately owned vehicles are starting to show up at performance shops. gm has delivered on producing another monster.

corvette doctors in ny had one put down ~550rwhp COMPLETELY stock.

pcmforless did a tune ONLY and managed ~570rwhp.

these are cars straight off the truck too, less than 100 miles. once they get some break in miles, i expect we'll start seeing numbers close to the 600rwhp mark. i can't wait to see what they can do with some simple bolt ons like a pulley swap/intake/exhaust.

9/30/2008 10:22:08 PM

I'm a fan of the ZR1 for sure, it's stupidly nasty. But I've heard there's quite a massive mark up on them right now.

9/30/2008 10:27:35 PM

yep. last i heard the going rate is about ~140k. they'll be a "bargain" once that figure comes back to msrp and lower. i'll be interested to see how it stacks up to the new viper in the real world.

9/30/2008 10:41:32 PM

I wonder how the resale will be a few years from now. Did the old 90s ZR-1's hold their value? In terms of inflation adjusted dollars, aren't the new ZR-1's close to the old ZR-1's in price, or maybe a bit more expensive? I thought the old ones were in the high 70's back in like 91ish.

10/1/2008 1:40:44 AM

^^I doubt you will see these drop below MSRP for this model year at all. They will probably be back at original MSRP used after a year or two, but these fuckers are basically all sold.

10/1/2008 4:59:32 AM

^definitely. it'll be just like the c6 zo6 was when it came out.

^^i don't really know the exact differences in inflation between then and now, but i would say they're probably close if you did the math. in terms of value in comparison to their msrp, they're nothing special yet. they do bring significantly more than other c4's though. a clean, low mileage example can be had for $20-25k. there's no doubt they'll eventually be a highly sought after collector's car though. i'd say the market on them won't go much if any lower than it is, and will probably start seeing steady growth within the next 5-10 years.

10/1/2008 2:43:43 PM

The one at city Chevrolet has "make offer" on the windshield

10/1/2008 2:52:01 PM

ZR-1 breaks its own 'Ring record. (old record was the world record for series production cars)

New record:

7:22.4

Old record:

7:26.4

10/29/2008 8:02:35 AM

viper acr was 7:22 with no extensive testing, just a couple of cars, a driver who's never been in the car, and half a day at the track.

10/29/2008 8:57:03 AM

bwa

ha

10/29/2008 9:18:14 AM

^^ And a Viper ACR is a not a production car.

10/29/2008 12:48:14 PM

how is it not a production car? please explain that. I can go down to a dodge dealer and order one. nothing needed other than money/credit. it is completely street legal in all 50 states as well.

[Edited on October 29, 2008 at 1:18 PM. Reason : ]

10/29/2008 1:17:59 PM

The Viper ACR is a production street legal car, OEPII1 what are you talking about?

10/29/2008 4:21:52 PM

Yes it is, my bad

ACR: 7:22.1

ZR1: 7:22.4

So basically, they are identical.

It is hard to believe that some German or Italian supercar can't beat those times.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times#Production_vehicles

10/29/2008 4:59:44 PM

ah, i hate it when i'm right.

10/29/2008 9:06:52 PM

And the GTR fanboys still won't shut up.

10/29/2008 9:16:06 PM

^ you didn't type in all caps

10/31/2008 8:12:16 AM

I only do that in Chit Chat.

10/31/2008 10:02:43 AM

Quote :

"I only do that in Chit Chat. when I'm not funny"

10/31/2008 8:19:10 PM

Who said I was trying to entertain you?

11/1/2008 8:04:17 PM

stock privately owned zr1 running deep 11's on a regular test and tune night. i expect we'll see mid 10's with excellent drivers and a good track/air.

the civette is in there gettin it done too, looks like it's getting sprayed pretty good now.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/RaceVideoForumscom-ZR1_195915.htm

11/1/2008 10:06:48 PM

What kind of trap speeds?

(I assume it can hit 130mph)

11/2/2008 10:44:45 AM

I think GM quotes it at 133, not quite sure. Definitely over 130 though.

11/2/2008 2:05:43 PM

^^watch the vid b0. 11.2@131 and 11.6@129 (it was obviously spinning terribly on that one). i'm going to predict we'll see times in the 10.6@138 range eventually.

damn it's a mean sounding son of a bitch too on the burnout for the second run...

11/2/2008 3:27:58 PM

Edmunds tested the ZR-1 against the GT-R. Their numbers are very slow. 0-60 in 3.8 for both cars, which is pathetic, considering that times of 3.3 (3.2 for GT-R by MT) have been recorded for both. (Z06 in 3.9 by them, but 3.5 by others) They did the 1/4 mile in 11.5 @ 128 mph in the ZR-1, and in 11.8 @ 119 mph in the GT-R (C&D 11.5 @ 124 mpg in the GT-R). Again, both are terribly slow, compared to numbers by others. (Z06 in 11.7 @ 123 mph by them) 1.06 g average in the ZR-1 on the skidpad (peak of 1.1 g), the second highest recorded by them (1st is Viper ACR). They got 0.93 g in the GT-R, but others have gotten 0.99 g.

Do their drivers suck compared to those of C&D, R&T, MT? I know a lot depends on conditions, but those are huge differences.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=134467

Anyway, numbers aside, I actually came to post this:

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"Burnouts at 75 mph We're barely out of Phoenix before the 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 lays down the gauntlet, or more accurately, the stripes. That's right, drop the ZR1 into 3rd gear, nail the throttle and it will light up the back tires at 75 mph before launching you into triple digits. This will never happen in the all-wheel-drive 2009 Nissan GT-R. Can't do it in a Ferrari Enzo, Lamborghini Murciélago or Porsche 911 GT2 either. Yes, the ZR1 is a truly sick automobile."

11/2/2008 4:02:26 PM

lol, my c5 will break the tires loose at 90-100 on the bottle if the tires are cold, it can be a little un nerving.

gg, you've finally picked up on why it's pointless to accept much of what you read in a magazine or on the internet as truth. these people are WRITERS, not professional drivers. much of the time they aren't even really experienced drivers. some of the major dedicated car mags that have been around a while like r&t, c&d, etc. get things mostly correct a lot of the time, but a site like edmunds is a laugh for credibility in testing a performance/sports car. they're good for new/used values, posting data like epa mileage and safety test results, and maybe a good article on how economic the new toyota yaris is or something...

bottom line, just take everything with a grain of salt. dig into some alternate sources of information besides the media, like enthusiast forums and actual owners. read between the lines of it all, and you'll get the "truth" usually.

11/2/2008 6:25:40 PM

conditions play a huge factor in those time and trap speed differences also

11/2/2008 6:29:42 PM

as does altitude

11/2/2008 6:35:55 PM

^every major publication uses a correction factor for temperature and altitude.

(not that I'm saying Edmunds is a source I rely on).

11/2/2008 7:29:26 PM

yeah, most will adjust for altitude, but that's only part of the equation. it's also not always an "exact" conversion, simply a formula to give an educated guess/estimate. the air itself (temp/humidity) makes a BIG difference as well. then you've got track temp, surface prep, surface material, yada, yada all of which falls under "conditions".

am i saying the zr1 will be cracking off mid-high 10's at any track in the country with regular people driving? hell no. i'm saying with an experienced driver and perfect conditions it's more than plausible. should a zr1 go 11 flat-low 11's with any regular joe driving at 75% of the tracks in the country? definitely.

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 8:31 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2008 8:28:08 PM

The ZR1 will be making an appearance on Top Gear next Sunday (11/9).

11/2/2008 9:38:22 PM

Quote :

"lol, my c5 will break the tires loose at 90-100 on the bottle if the tires are cold, it can be a little un nerving. "

dude i hear that man, shoot, i can break the tire loose on the civic on just a little bit of sand..

no need for a bottle though.

11/2/2008 9:49:58 PM

lol



[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 6:15 PM. Reason : psi]

11/2/2008 11:11:57 PM

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"conditions play a huge factor in those time and trap speed differences also"

I believe the trap speed for the GTR was spot on honestly. I don't think it traps much over 120mph. That's the problem with these idiots who don't look at anything other than the time a car runs. Sure, it runs 11's, BECAUSE OF THE LAUNCH CONTROL THAT YOU CAN'T USE! It's not in the 11's because of raw power, it's because it has a very quick shifting transmission and launch control combined with reasonable power. Also, pretty much any driver should be able to run a good time in the GTR because very little skill is involved. The ZR1 and Z06 are entirely different though. The shifting is done by the driver, the launch is done by the driver and you don't have AWD to assist you.

From a roll on, the ZR1 will take the GTR without any difficulty. Can you imagine how much quicker a ZR1 with a dual clutch transmission that could shift as quickly as the GTR's would be? I wont ever get these fan boys who keep saying the GTR is just as fast as a Z06 or ZR1 when it has less power and weighs hundreds of pounds more than both vettes. It's because they only look at the time without considering the trap speed or other factors that I mentioned above and they think "oh it's just as fast." Naw son, when you meet up with a ZR1 on the highway, it's going to slaughter your ass. Plus, the Z06 and ZR1 drivers aren't being tracked by their computer so they'll still have a warranty at the end of the day. The magazine drivers have maxed out the GTR's performance because anybody can. But I don't believe any magazine driver has run a time that really does justice to the ZR1. Unfortunately, magazine racers can't get that type of shit through their thick skulls.

There's no question in my mind about what I'd buy. Can you imagine paying $20k-$30k above the $70k sticker price for a GTR and not even be able to fucking run the times the manufacturer claims without voiding your own warranty? I expect my sports vehicles to be able to perform like the manufacturer claims. If the drivetrain has to rip itself apart in order to get those numbers and I have to keep buying $20k transmissions just to do what the manufacturer said it could do then I have no interest in the car.

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 8:54 AM. Reason : ]

11/3/2008 8:48:42 AM

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"But I don't believe any magazine driver has run a time that really does justice to the ZR1. Unfortunately, magazine racers can't get that type of shit through their thick skulls."

I wasn't aware of any reputable magazines having published any test data for the ZR1 yet?

and don't worry SaabTurbo, everyone in this thread is aware that the GTR's performance drops off a lot after 100mph compared to its peers. Though I'm pretty sure launch control is available for this car in the US.

11/3/2008 11:48:55 AM

FIVE

^yes, it's available in the u.s. however, actually USING it it is a huge risk and will very likely void your warranty in the event of a powertrain related failure. it's already happening thanks to the "black box". while nissan has played up launch control along with the media, in reality according to the owner's manual that mode is only to be used for lightly rocking to car out of deep snow or mud.

a big reason for the gtr's fairly impressive performance yet lackluster trap speed is the gearing is much closer in the first half of the gear box, then spreads out of the later half. simply put, the gtr does everything it can with what it's got. it wrings every last hp out. i have to give it props for that at least.

11/3/2008 12:03:33 PM