YES, of course i can CHOOSE. in fact, I LIKE choices. now i have the choice between:

non-smoking seafood restaurants
non-smoking burger joints
non-smoking thai
non-smoking chinese
non-smoking italian
non-smoking afghani
non-smoking mexican
non-smoking japanese
non-smoking southwest tex-mex
non-smoking german
non-smoking fast food
non-smoking korean
non-smoking southern barbeque
non-smoking french
non-smoking hungarian
non-smoking midwestern comfort food
non-smoking mongolian
non-smoking mediterranean
non-smoking ethiopian
non-smoking persian



I've got lots of motherfucking choices.

but before the smoking ban went into effect, i only had about 1/2 of 1 percent of the choices available as now, if i didnt want my child to choke on some filthy smoker's exhaust fumes in a confined space.

even as a smoker i hated smoke in restaurants. bars not so much, but restaurants that had smoking (most of them) sucked. my wife never smoked and we didnt want our kid around that shit for sure.

its a fact that non-smokers (ie the majority population) now are more inclined to go out to eat, or out for entertainment that they dont have to sit or stand all night in a filthy smoke-filled room.

you guys carry on with your lofty arguments about John Locke. take a smoke break back in the alley whenever you feel like it. but know this, you smokers and your "smokers rights" are going the way of the dinosaurs.

2/27/2008 4:38:44 PM

seattle != the rest of the country

you still haven't gotten that through your thick skull

in Charlotte for example, there are tons of smoking places and tons of non smoking places

you have dozens or hundreds of choices for non smoking bars and restaurants already...and you know what? the bars and restaurants DECIDED ON THEIR OWN TO IMPLEMENT A NON SMOKING POLICY

what they didnt need the government to spend money to have a statewide or city wide ban? whats that, they were able to do it themselves? we dont need big brother to tell us how to live our lives like some kind of mindless idiots in seattle

so go hang out in seattle with your free clinics with clean needles for heroin addicts while you make fun of people who smoke cigarettes

i'm done in this thread...you've been thoroughly pwnt by multiple people, just like your side always does in these "smoking ban" threads

HOW DARE YOU HARM MY LUNGS WHILE I'M WILLFULLY HARMING MY OWN LIVER

ps: how come your precious european countries with their socialist policies that you love so much still allow smoking? I DON'T UNDERSTAND

2/27/2008 4:44:13 PM

Quote :

"imo, it's about not subjecting the service class to undue health hazards."

when did the US become India??? We have defined classes now?

i think you meant to say "service industry" not "service class"

2/27/2008 4:45:50 PM

Quote :

"I've got lots of motherfucking choices. but before the smoking ban went into effect, i only had about 1/2 of 1 percent of the choices available as now, if i didnt want my child to choke on some filthy smoker's exhaust fumes in a confined space."

first off, nice use of "motherfucking." it really elevated your argument

also 1/2 of 1 percent = 1/2 perfect...just for next time

and are you trying to say that the 99.5 percent of the types of restaurants you listed allowed smoking before some ban went into effect? where do you live that had that many restaurants with smoking? i could see it decades ago maybe, but not in your generation.

2/27/2008 4:51:04 PM

Im not a smoker and im not for a federal ban. Let a business decide what it wants to do, not the govt.

People will go to where they want to if they have options. People choosing is against the democratic strategy though. Choice is bad you see.

People who are worried about thier kids inhaling some second hand smoke, does your kid have a cellphone? When you take them out do you give them a gas mask to protect them from car emmisions?

2/27/2008 4:52:32 PM

Quote :

"seattle != the rest of the country"

its not seattle thats put the smoking ban. its the entire state of washington.

in fact, it's the entire states of

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Ohio
Oregon
Rhode Island
Tennessee
Utah
Vermont
Washington



dont worry tho

NC, SC, and VA will fall soon enough. you're on the losing end of this fight. I suspect Texas will be the last to fall.






[Edited on February 27, 2008 at 4:57 PM. Reason : ]

2/27/2008 4:53:25 PM

damn didnt realize the liberal infestation of anti-choice had affected that many weak minded states

dont worry the cackalacks will remain strong

sorry to see you give up your rights in seattle though...might as well start fitting you monkeys for your tracking chips since you arent capable of choosing anything yourselves

btw Charlotte is one of the 30 largest cities in the country...and it doesnt have a ban yet? But...but...but why? I figured all huge cities would enact this trash legislation...hmmm this confuses me! I don't understand why they didn't fall in line with the rest of the big cities!

2/27/2008 4:57:15 PM

charlotte is full of skanks and nascar rednecks.

i mean really.

except for the banking and art fags downtown, charlotte has damn near zero culture.

2/27/2008 5:02:01 PM

So wait, is the smoking ban in all those states just indoors everywhere, or just state buildings or what? I knew the state building thing in NC, but if they ban public places...

Well, that means no more Waffle House trips at 2:30am when I'm starving and have the craving for both a waffle and a cigarette...

2/27/2008 5:44:48 PM

that is the current list of states which have a "statewide" ban on smoking either in restaurants, or in bars, or in both.

more are in the works.

even states without a statewide ban have municipalities which have made smoking illegal in either bars and/or restaurants.

2/27/2008 8:01:02 PM

Quote :

"charlotte is full of skanks and nascar rednecks. i mean really."

you show your ignorance in every post

2/27/2008 10:26:15 PM

youre trying to tell me it's not? lol.

2/27/2008 10:29:03 PM

i'm sure you've spent lots of time there to know for yourself

2/27/2008 10:33:55 PM

i have no problem with ban on smoking in restaurants but i feel completely different about bars.

People go to the bars to drink, meet random skanks, and is not exactly a family/professional environment like restaurants. Part of going to the bar is people smoking just like part of going to the bar is having some drunk bitch flash her tits everywhere.

2/27/2008 11:08:07 PM

^^ ive spent a lot of time in charlotte and its various suburbs to know its essentially a shithole of a city with a couple nice parts.

2/27/2008 11:56:36 PM

"a lot of time"

wow...real convincing

I've lived in Charlotte, in the city not the suburbs, for more than 20 years of my life, including the last 5 years. I think I'm a bit more qualified to categorize the demographics of the city than somebody who lives thousands of miles away and has spent "a lot of time" in "various suburbs"

^^I agree. I don't even smoke inside restaurants but its absurd to ban smoking in bars/clubs

2/28/2008 12:46:03 AM

ok dickweed,

my parents Live in charlotte metro area. my ex lived in matthews. my sister-in-law went to UNC-C, worked downtown, and her and all her gay theatre friends lived in the Fourth Ward. My uncle lived in South Charlotte and had a house on lake Norman, all sorts of cousins lived in Kannapolis and China Grove.

Ive been to Charlotte at least 100 times. it's a fucking shithole and I'd never live there, unless my only other options was Detroit or Toledo.

2/28/2008 1:13:04 AM

wow you know some people that lived in charlotte or near charlotte

i guess you know it all, and you certainly know more about charlotte than someone born and raised in charlotte

hey i've been to seattle twice...i'll bet i know a lot more about it than you do even though you've lived there for years

2/28/2008 1:14:04 AM

yeah, i know some people. just my mom and dad and uncle and ex-fiancee and my sister in law.

ive flown in and out of CLT too many times to remember. ive taken the piedmont amtrak between charlotte and raleigh way more times than i want to recall.

Ive spent many days and nights all over your fine city. the place truly is run over with skanks and thugs and nascar retards. then throw a bunch of bank yuppies on top of the mix for good measure.

but don't be mad at me: i didn't make you have to live there.

and by the way, Seahawks crushed your Panthers.





[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 1:24 AM. Reason : ]

2/28/2008 1:22:18 AM

the fact that you think its possible for you to know more about a city from visiting numerous times than someone who grew up in and lives in the city is about as idiotic as most of your opinions and continues to show your elitist liberal arrogance

our mayor is a punk bitch, he welched on the bet with your mayor in 05

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 1:27 AM. Reason : .]

2/28/2008 1:26:33 AM

im not sayin i "know" more about Charlotte in general... But Ive been tehre enough to know what it's like. And its obvious that you have a biased opinion and are blinded to the fact that your hometown is, indeed, a shithole. I cant blame you, i'd be depressed about it myself.

as for your mayor, I dont know much about him. I do know that our mayor is a real arrogant, elitist, I-know-whats-best-for-everyone nanny-state liberal prick though. i cant stand the guy. who the fuck elected him anyhow.

2/28/2008 1:31:53 AM

Quote :

"When you take them out do you give them a gas mask to protect them from car emmisions? "

[quote]I HAVE A RIGHT TO WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK ALONG A PUBLIC STREET

AND NOT BE EXPOSED TO 2ND HAND EXHAUST THAT HARMS MY LUNGS

RRAWWR RRAWRRRR!!!!





[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 5:39 PM. Reason : asdfasd]

2/28/2008 3:06:20 AM

Quote :

"392: this coming from someone who basing her policy opinions out of emotion and dreaming rather that principles and reality you can oppose the civil rights act without being anywhere close to racist if you don't understand that, then that's why WE'LL never stop fighting for liberty -- because you don't get it If I want to open a coffee shop and only serve people with blue eyes, should I be able to that? how about these women's-only gyms? what's the deal there? I guess some feel that sexism is ok, while racism isn't iow, you liberals are inconsistent, illogical, and completely without understanding your "ends justify the means" approach in the use of authoritarian force to fight racism (a civil liberty) is detestable now go ahead and tell me that racism is illegal"

No, you should not be able to open a coffee shop and serve only people with blue eyes. It's wrong, and it is rightfully illegal. That's a basic principle I strongly believe in, and it's not based on "emotion and dreaming." And, again, I think you need to check yourself when you start having ideas about not needing the Civil Rights Act. And I never said that made you racist. I said it made you wrong.

I do not know what the deal is with women's-only gyms. I haven't read much about them, but I imagine they skirt the laws by establishing themselves as private clubs where they maintain the right to reject members. Like a lodge.

You mentioned that racism is a civil liberty, and I want you to know that this is America, and you should feel free to start your own private, racist, chain-smoking bar. Nobody is stopping you. In fact, there are probably about a half dozen such places in Raleigh already. If that's something you're interested in, you should look into a membership...

And on the issue of smoking in public restaurants and bars, we obviously disagree. The rights of the property owner are more important to you than the rights of the workers. I'm the other way around.

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 3:15 AM. Reason : No PWNT, dipshit.]

2/28/2008 3:13:08 AM

So you're conceding my point and aiming for a suspension at the same time?

2/28/2008 3:24:52 AM

^
no

you made a point

a weak one, only supported by your opinion of what a decent society should be, and not on principle

I disagree, because you are wrong

and you and others apparently refuse to address the car analogy, (yet another huge hole in your reasoning)

so I guess it's YOU that concedes my point


and as for this thread,

it's not worth saving unless you'd like to keep it around so others can read your ignorant bullshit some more

Quote :

"i'm done in this thread...you've been thoroughly pwnt by multiple people, just like your side always does in these "smoking ban" threads"

I AGREE

THIS THREAD IS OVER

JOESCHMOE AND BRIDGET

HAVE THOROUGHLY BEEN PWNT, LIKE 5 TIMES OVER

IF THEY DON'T KNOW IT

THEN AT LEAST EVERYONE ELSE READING THE THREAD KNOWS IT

AND NOW

I'MA GONNA DROP TO THEIR LEVEL

AND ONLY RE-POST THE CAR COMPARISON STUFF

WHEN THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT, MAYBE WE'LL MOVE ON

Quote :

"When you take them out do you give them a gas mask to protect them from car emmisions? "

Quote :

"I HAVE A RIGHT TO WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK ALONG A PUBLIC STREET AND NOT BE EXPOSED TO 2ND HAND EXHAUST THAT HARMS MY LUNGS RRAWWR RRAWRRRR!!!! I HAVE A RIGHT TO GET A JOB IN A RACING PIT CREW AND NOT BE EXPOSED TO 2ND HAND SMOKE FROM CARS THAT HARMS MY LUNGS RRAWR!!!"

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM. Reason : ]

2/28/2008 10:03:56 AM

not only has 392 lost this thread, he has lost at life.

while spamming the board in impotent frustration, he might want to go outside and have a smoke to calm down.

hopefully its not raining too hard.

2/28/2008 11:01:40 AM

Quote :

"When you take them out do you give them a gas mask to protect them from car emmisions? "

Quote :

"I HAVE A RIGHT TO WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK ALONG A PUBLIC STREET AND NOT BE EXPOSED TO 2ND HAND EXHAUST THAT HARMS MY LUNGS RRAWWR RRAWRRRR!!!! I HAVE A RIGHT TO GET A JOB IN A RACING PIT CREW AND NOT BE EXPOSED TO 2ND HAND SMOKE FROM CARS THAT HARMS MY LUNGS RRAWR!!!"

2/28/2008 11:27:33 AM

i love the maryland smoking ban!

2/28/2008 11:34:21 AM

^^^you're pretty smug since the gov. makes people do something you agree with...

thats the fundamental difference between most of the people opposed to this type law and those for it. Speaking for myself (and I gather most of the people against this type legislation), I loathe the gov. making laws that govern personal choice even if I agree with the principle behind it.

Next it'll be regulating the fat content in meals restaurants serve...poor diet is proven to increase the risk of heart disease, which kills millions every year and increases insurance costs for everyone. The gov must protect people from themselves and their free will, right?

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 11:42 AM. Reason : .]

2/28/2008 11:41:18 AM

392, please stop shitting all over the thread

2/28/2008 11:45:34 AM

^
sry, I was drunk

I'm only gonna post one copy of that quote block from now on,

perhaps a mod can edit my other post to only have one copy too

2/28/2008 11:49:18 AM

Quote :

"No, you should not be able to open a coffee shop and serve only people with blue eyes. It's wrong, and it is rightfully illegal. That's a basic principle I strongly believe in, and it's not based on "emotion and dreaming." And, again, I think you need to check yourself when you start having ideas about not needing the Civil Rights Act. And I never said that made you racist. I said it made you wrong. I do not know what the deal is with women's-only gyms. I haven't read much about them, but I imagine they skirt the laws by establishing themselves as private clubs where they maintain the right to reject members. Like a lodge."

So what is the fundamental difference between a lodge or gym that denies membership to anyone without blue eyes and a coffee shop that only serves people with blue eyes? Does having that little club card suddenly make it not wrong anymore?

2/28/2008 12:03:49 PM

Quote :

"charlotte is full of skanks and nascar rednecks."

this is true if and only if you leave charlotte (including davidson, lake norman, matthews, weddington). then your description would be accurate.

2/28/2008 12:23:32 PM

Quote :

"And, again, I think you need to check yourself when you start having ideas about not needing the Civil Rights Act"

because clearly, opposing only title 2 of that act means you want to scrap the whole thing

no one's talking about taking away voting rights, or race/sex based discrimination in public (read: government) spaces

Quote :

"Republican senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona voted against the bill, remarking, "You can't legislate morality." Goldwater, however had supported both previous attempts to pass Civil Rights legislation in 1957 and 1960. The reason for the opposition to the 1964 act was Title 2, which he viewed as a violation of individual liberty"

2/28/2008 12:41:58 PM

They say those who bitch about cigarettes in bars are really manginas

2/28/2008 12:44:17 PM

I think Schmoe forgets where cigarettes come from.

N _ _ _ _ C _ _ _ _ _ _ _

2/28/2008 12:45:53 PM

the ones i smoked came from New Mexico.

2/28/2008 12:59:45 PM

^
nas?

2/28/2008 1:19:44 PM

392, cars are necessary. Cigarettes are not. Pretty obvious distinction.

Quote :

"1337 b4k4: So what is the fundamental difference between a lodge or gym that denies membership to anyone without blue eyes and a coffee shop that only serves people with blue eyes? Does having that little club card suddenly make it not wrong anymore?"

It suddenly makes it not illegal. Members-only establishments are not commercially involved the way McDonald's is.

2/28/2008 1:28:36 PM

Quote :

"cars are necessary"

wat


they actually aren't. but yes, transportation is pretty important to socialbility and civilization. however, cars are not.

2/28/2008 1:31:03 PM

^No, cars and trucks and big rigs and whatevers are necessary. We don't have the money to build reliable public transportation at this time. We're still working on coming up with the perfect system and getting funds for it.

And I'd like to add to my response to the stupid car analogy. Westarted regulating what shit you could pump out of your car like years ago. Some douchebag's pumping nasty shit into the air out of his car that he hasn't had inspected in ten years...you're fucking right, somebody's gonna call the cops on his ass. Cause what he is doing illegal, and he will get a ticket for it.

So, yeah, great analogy, guys...

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 1:40 PM. Reason : sss]

2/28/2008 1:39:07 PM

no, cars are not neccessary.

people can live without cars, trains, planes, trucks.

bridget, if you look down, you'll see you have two perfectly good feet to propel yourself across the Earth with

2/28/2008 1:40:32 PM

Quote :

"392, cars are necessary. Cigarettes are not. Pretty obvious distinction."

haha I can't believe you "bit"

you are so wrong it's almost funny

Quote :

"Some douchebag's pumping nasty shit into the air out of his car that he hasn't had inspected in ten years..."

CAUSE CARS THAT ARE INSPECTED DON'T PUT ANY "NASTY SHIT" INTO THE AIR



[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 1:53 PM. Reason : just stop trying, brigdet, you aren't getting anywhere]

2/28/2008 1:48:15 PM

Quote :

"people can live without cars, trains, planes, trucks. bridget, if you look down, you'll see you have two perfectly good feet to propel yourself across the Earth with "

if you're content to live in a mud hut and raise all the livestock and produce you need to survive, then vehicles may not be necessary. However, I doubt you'd be on the internet in the first place if you were content with such a miserly existance.

2/28/2008 2:01:19 PM

^^No, cars that are inspected absolutely do put nasty shit in the air. But we've placed limits on the amount and kind of nasty shit you can put in the air.

And what do you mean "bit"? Cars are necessary. Cigarettes are not. What's wrong about that?

2/28/2008 3:51:49 PM

Quote :

"Cars are necessary. Cigarettes are not"

neither is working in an establishment that will entail being around cigarette smoke.

2/28/2008 4:29:16 PM

^
gg

Quote :

"Cars are necessary. Cigarettes are not"

you're clearly wrong -- cars aren't necessary, but also, you clearly won't budge on that

so let's go further

since you think that those who choose to work in restaurants should be able to legally force owners to disallow smoking,

shouldn't those who choose to work in pit crews be able to legally force owners to disallow combustion engines?

I mean, you may think that cars are necessary to society, but is racing necessary?

or, how about valet parking?

you see bridget, you've got nothing

nothing

except a very strong desire to be right

2/28/2008 4:56:38 PM

2/28/2008 4:57:26 PM

^
wth?

I lol'd


YOU'RE WELCOME, INTERNETS





haha oh shit

there was just an ad for outdoor heating that read "Smoking ban solutions"

google be spyin' yo




[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 5:32 PM. Reason : ad]

2/28/2008 5:28:28 PM

No one puts a gun to the head of workers and screams, "Work at restaurant that allows smoking or I'll blow your brains out."

2/28/2008 5:48:57 PM