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"in the paper Sid said that JJ is his number one priority behind the team"

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"No, he said I am putting JJ at number one and the team 2nd"

Get your story straight, DAWG

3/18/2008 1:04:37 PM

http://www.technicianonline.com/news/2008/03/18/Sports/Report.Hickson.To.Enter.Nba.Draft-3272950.shtml[/link]

There's the link to the article, if you wanted to read it

3/18/2008 1:04:54 PM

"My concern is him No. 1 and our team second," Lowe said. "That's what I told him when I recruited him." Words from Sid Lowe in the paper

3/18/2008 1:06:14 PM

Is it straight enough for you Ernie

3/18/2008 1:06:52 PM

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"if jj hickson goes pro this year..."

good fucking riddance

3/18/2008 1:07:00 PM

The Technician? Seriously? Surely that quote was taken out of context.

3/18/2008 1:07:25 PM

Im just telling you from what I read, if you have a problem with the technician then take it up with them

3/18/2008 1:08:49 PM

mmmm that sounds like bullshit

3/18/2008 1:10:18 PM

wow...I'm having trouble coming up with a context where I would think that last quote was a good thing to say.

3/18/2008 1:10:51 PM

That's not the first time I've seen that quote, it was in a PackPride article a few days ago.

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/737271.html

I agree that is most likely taken out of context, he probably meant it as "I'm not going to put any pressure on J.J. to come back if it's not in his best interest to do so.". Still, it's not really something you want your head coach saying, especially after the season we've just been through and all the reported chemistry issues.

3/18/2008 1:16:18 PM

ahahahah

From the packpride article, the bold was omitted from the Technician article

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" “My concern is him No. 1, then our team second. I told him that when I recruited him that he's going to have a great opportunity."

It doesn't make a huge difference but it changes the tone of the quote a bit. As you can see, the Technician writer was just hacking together shit from other press outlets. Great job, dude!

3/18/2008 1:19:00 PM

As you can see it still says that he puts JJ before the team so your point about it not being true has still not been made

3/18/2008 1:21:47 PM

I never said it wasn't true

3/18/2008 1:22:48 PM

The comment was from Sid's post game after Miami.

http://www.wral.com/sports/video/2574632

That part of the comment starts around 7:15.

3/18/2008 1:22:53 PM

ok you implied that the technician is unreliable, but both articles said the same thing about priorities

3/18/2008 1:24:23 PM

while not the best working, he clearly meant:

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"I'm not going to put any pressure on J.J. to come back if it's not in his best interest to do so."

3/18/2008 1:28:16 PM

My point was that the Technician is shit, all of their sports writers are shit, and that article is shit. And my point was proven when the actual quote given by Sidney was compared to the quote printed in the Technician.

Like it was said above, the quote came from after the Miami game. Did anyone say anything then? no. Did anyone say anything when it was printed at Packpride? no. Did anyone say anything when it was altered and printed in the Technician? yes. Are you too dumb to see what that means? maybe.

3/18/2008 1:30:12 PM

no one said anything about it then because JJ had not made his decision yet to enter the draft, now that he has and Sid is putting him in front of the team I don't think that it is right, also this was the first I have seen of the quote and If i had heard it after the Miami game i would have made a comment about it then

3/18/2008 1:33:02 PM

well, he's not gonna say:

"I'm going to pressure him to come back so he can help our team, even if it's not best for him"

3/18/2008 1:36:04 PM

Exactly. I read it as Sidney saying that in dealing with Hickson and his preparing for the draft, Hickson is priority #1. Meaning that whatever is best for Hickson is what happens. And I agree with that, it's not like anyone thought he was going to stay for four years.

3/18/2008 1:38:43 PM

Then i go back and say again, why recruit a player who is not going to stay if you are trying to build a program

3/18/2008 1:40:30 PM

I don't know. Ask Roy Williams, Coach K, Jim Calhoun, Jim Boeheim, Rick Barnes, et al. They seem to do it quite often.

3/18/2008 1:41:43 PM

all of those coaches already have a stable program running, we are kind of starting from the bottom

3/18/2008 1:42:45 PM

^hey sasquatch, the quote was taken out of context lol

3/18/2008 1:43:28 PM

fuck you

3/18/2008 1:44:01 PM

We recruited Hickson because he's a great fucking player, our signing him was a pretty big coup. No one could have predicted the chemistry problems that would ruin the team. Most people thought, though he would be a one, maybe a two year player. It only takes a couple of these guys coming through the program and making it to the NBA to turn the heads of recruits. They see NC State as a great place to prepare their game for the next level and eventually, we get guys who are NBA-capable but can be convinced to stick around for four years.

You're right, we do have to start at the proverbial bottom. And that bottom, in this context, is five star, one-and-done types.

3/18/2008 1:46:38 PM

One and done types usually go to good programs don't they?

3/18/2008 2:05:52 PM

i don't know. if they're truly the best from their class, i'd say yes. but if they're a little worse, they go to worse schools where they can get exposure and start from the beginning.

3/18/2008 2:10:49 PM

ala OJ Mayo.

3/18/2008 2:11:24 PM

So hindsight is 20/20...

Would we be better off if we would never have recruited Hickson???

3/18/2008 2:13:12 PM

really hard to say. we would have likely been in pretty much the same position. i think this year's chemistry problems were due more to the lack of a leader than on hickson. now maybe there were extra problems BECAUSE of hickson, but it seems that leadership could have solved that problem as well.

3/18/2008 2:14:32 PM

Better question: would we have been better had we never recruited Brandon Costner?

3/18/2008 2:14:33 PM

Well, we wouldn't be in this dreaded cheeseburger shortage now would we?

3/18/2008 2:18:44 PM

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"ala OJ Mayo."

OJ Mayo could have gone to any school he wanted. He chose USC because it is in LA and he wanted to be in a big market and around celebs, etc.... He pretty much called up Tim Floyd and told him he was gonna come play at USC. If I recall correctly, Tim Floyd didn't even recruit him because he thought he had no chance at getting him.

3/18/2008 2:19:29 PM

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"Would we be better off if we would never have recruited Hickson???"

not unless his scholarship went to a decent point guard.

3/18/2008 2:20:59 PM

and we can hope that lowe has learned some tough lessons from this season.

3/18/2008 2:26:53 PM

^^^He sent his boy to USC and got Floyd's cell number. I don't think Floyd even talked to him before he got a letter of intent.

3/18/2008 2:28:22 PM

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"in the paper Sid said that JJ is his number one priority behind the team... that is some fucking bullshit, he is not getting paid to make sure the freshmen coming in are making it to the pros, he is here to build a program that can win, if JJ wants to leave to be the last pick of the first round then fuck him, he shouldnt be the number one priority for Sid the team should be number one"

by "the team" i think lowe was implying that he would do what is best for JJ rather than keeping him another year just for the sake of bettering our team

3/18/2008 2:33:03 PM

oh nevermind. you gotta be 1 year out of high school AND be 19

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 3:12 PM. Reason : a]

3/18/2008 2:46:02 PM

Age has nothing to do with it. You have to be one year removed from HS.

3/18/2008 2:49:03 PM

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"If he used an agent, he instantly would be ineligible for the NCAA."

yes, i know the rule.

3/18/2008 2:49:10 PM

JJ hickson will be the poster child for Sidney Lowe.
And I highly doubt that it will be anyone else currently on our team....
It's too bad that our team couldnt give him more of a spotlight.

Because of this, hickson will become proof that Sid is great way to the NBA for top talent.
(Which is what we havent had and UNC/Duke do have. Also see why herb left....)
He's investing in the future and we will have to live with it in addition to keeping him around long enough for it to start paying off....

3/18/2008 2:57:36 PM

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"Because of this, hickson will become proof that Sid is great way to the NBA for top talent."

Haha...seriously??

3/18/2008 3:02:40 PM

^it's actually quite true. I heard a tony haynes interview earlier talking about Sid probably having the most NBA contacts of all ACC coaches, and how that can help recruiting the top talent.

3/18/2008 3:04:43 PM

I just don't see how a guy who honestly had a mediocre year, will get drafted late in the first round, possibly early second, and probably won't be an impact NBA player justifies our head coach as an NBA talent developer.

That's like saying Herb Sendek is a great coach to get you to the NBA because he coached Wally S., Damien Wilkins, Adam Harrington, Julius Hodge, Josh Powell, and Cedric Simmons.

And I love Tony Haynes...but he's still a State homer. I really wouldn't put too much weight in his positive comments.

3/18/2008 3:09:39 PM

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"will get drafted late in the first round, possibly early second, and probably won't be an impact NBA player justifies our head coach as an NBA talent developer."

You don't get drafted if the people who know what they're doing thing you won't make an impact. You obviously do not know what you're talking about.

3/18/2008 3:14:01 PM

If Sidney had said that in the middle of the season I MIGHT take it differently, but its the off season, Sidney is out trying to recruit top talent for 09, and it would be incredibly stupid for him to say anything but "i'm puting JJ's best interests first". These are kids, and he SHOULD look out for his players as people before he looks out for his team.



And to answer the question as to whether it was worth our time to get him for a year, its a stupid question. JJ was the best player on the floor this year. If getting JJ means Costner and McCauley turn into little bitches and complain about PT, then fuck them. JJ hasn't opened his mouth all year. He played hard, he didn't quit, and he got better as the season went on.

If recruiting a guy like JJ hurts your other players ego's, then tell your other players not to come back...its as simple as that. I'm not gonna let two guys who led us to 5-11 in the ACC get their ego's in the way of my team and my career. I'm sick of hearing people that are happy JJ is leaving so we can get Costner and Ben back to their old form. Who's to say they will? Who's to say JJ won't be much improved next year and so will BC and Ben? Who's to say we wouldn't be better off keeping JJ and getting rid of those 2? You cant, so shut the fuck up about it.

If JJ was that kid that came in and let his attitude tear apart this team, then fuck him. He was not that guy...I guarantee it. Even if he was, our problems went much deeper and it was 85 percent due to a lack of guard play.

3/18/2008 3:14:19 PM

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"I just don't see how a guy who honestly had a mediocre year, will get drafted late in the first round, possibly early second, and probably won't be an impact NBA player justifies our head coach as an NBA talent developer. "

it's all about who ya know....He was in the NBA in some capacity for 15 years....I'd imagine throwing some prominent NBA names/phone #'s around would carry some weight with 17/18 year-olds dreaming of going to the NBA.

3/18/2008 3:16:40 PM

I agree 10000000000% with what wolfAApack posted ^^. Could not have said it better.

3/18/2008 3:17:30 PM

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"You don't get drafted if the people who know what they're doing thing you won't make an impact. You obviously do not know what you're talking about."

What the fuck are you talking about? Maybe you're misinterpreting my definition of "impact."

JJ Redick is not an impact player in the NBA. He was drafted pretty high. I'd say around half of the players drafted won't be impact players in the NBA. Shit, one-third of them probably won't even stay in the league (hello Hodge).

I'm not saying Hickson won't be an impact player...but in my opinion he won't be (or at least he needs A LOT of work...especially on his hands, which I don't think is something that can be fixed easily...you usually have good hands or you don't).

3/18/2008 3:20:30 PM