I'm not worried about 2 pounds

I'm worried about girls that reel me in then 3 months later hit me with a GOTCHA 15 pounds.

That's a slippery slope to Obesity, and if I don't do anything about it, I'll end up burying the chick before I'd even get a chance to try to HOIST her over the threshhold

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"fuck it. you'll never win with people who think girls are supposed to be 5'11" and 110 "

this was in response to Joie's comment that she editted, but had to do with gaining 2 pounds



[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:09 PM. Reason : c]

4/11/2008 2:05:54 PM

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"wow stillfuchsia i'd think a person with your literary skills would be able to be more elegant with wording and could result to more intelligible retorts. regardless of which, you could be the really cool guy in school or you could be the leader of some organization that someone participates in or for a simple example, how female students will some times fall for their male professors. you didn't even try for this one, did you?"

Falling for a teacher can still be construed as a monetary thing.

And my boyfriend's no kind of organizational leader: women do not have to base attractiveness on status, as you asserted.

Moreover, you said money is often the issue, which would therefore mean that you were suggesting that we mostly care about it when we look for a mate. That's fundamentally untrue.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 2:07:36 PM

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"you'll never win with people who think girls are supposed to be 5'11" and 110"

That's ridiculous.....because I'm not even 5'10".

5'4" and 110 is not too bad though.

4/11/2008 2:08:54 PM

yeah I'm 5 foot 9 and if a girl is taller than me regular, than she's like 6 inches taller than me when she wears heels

thats why you need a 3-4 inch height advantage...I'm not gonna be looking like a midget next to some WNBA castoff

4/11/2008 2:10:31 PM

seems like none of the females want to respond to my issue with the integrity of a girls that trick guys into thinking they are both physically and mentally fit, when it turns out they aren't - as gaining a quick 20 pounds a few months after you begin dating, and/or eating ice-cream sandwhiches in the middle of the night would prove.

4/11/2008 2:15:09 PM

^ Because nobody's "tricking" you, you're making up a situation that's irrelevant. Dump her if you want, but everyone will likely think you're a jerk.

It's up to you, we don't care.

Gaining weight isn't an issue of integrity at all. Maintaining your weight can be hard work: it's easy to gain weight. I doubt any girl would do that to spite you on purpose.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:18 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 2:16:20 PM

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"seems like none of the females want to respond to my issue with the integrity of a girls that trick guys into thinking they are both physically and mentally fit, when it turns out they aren't - as gaining a quick 20 pounds a few months after you begin dating, and/or eating ice-cream sandwhiches in the middle of the night would prove."

I think there are very few girls that would do that on purpose. But I guess you're referring to the girl that just gets extremely comfortable when she hooks a man and doesn't think she has to keep up her appearances to maintain the relationship. Those particular girls needs to follow the "keep with what got you here" way of living.

4/11/2008 2:17:17 PM

Yeah the late night klondike is a little extreme

Its one thing if you order a steak instead of the fish or chicken...I can tolerate that, though I frown upon it

but eating pure fat and carbohydrates at a time when you have no intention of burning it off is something that can't become a regular occurrence

If you must indulge yourself, there's plenty of yogurt and sorbet in the world

4/11/2008 2:18:37 PM

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"Because nobody's "tricking" you, you're making up a situation that's irrelevant."

I beg to differ, It hasn't happened in a while, but I, and many other guys out there have been TRICKED.

Oh, you thought I cared about my health and appearance?

NOPE

GOTCHA!!!!!!

4/11/2008 2:20:30 PM

Yeah, because I'm sure they all manically plan it out that way.

When someone loves you, maybe you aren't watching your calories as much anymore, but you're making this into an issue where it's not. If you're gonna be that uptight about it, kick her out and move on. She'll be better off.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:22 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 2:22:20 PM

Quote :

"Falling for a teacher can still be construed as a monetary thing. And my boyfriend's no kind of organizational leader: women do not have to base attractiveness on status, as you asserted. Moreover, you said money is often the issue, which would therefore mean that you were suggesting that we mostly care about it when we look for a mate. That's fundamentally untrue."

I don't feel we need to thread jack this an make it a one on one battle, so after this exchange one on ones with you via pm, gladly.

First off i said in my initial comment that "status and potential wealth" which separates them as two separate things. in my response to your initial comment i did acknowledge that wealth and status can be connected because i'm not blind nor am i so pigheadedly try to prove my point by not accounting for the obvious. You arguing that I equated the two as one and the same would be misleading and incorrect.

Also, the teacher thing is rarely about money. Usually its about how they view the teacher and his knowledge, charisma, maturity, or what have you which leads to a status role over the other men in the class. Rarely do they sit and drool because hes such a wealthy man, especially since most professors don't make much. That suggestion is weak at best.

As for you and your man, its dumb to assume any group is fitted into absolutes. While i probably never said some or most to signify that there exist others who don't view the same, i also doubt i said all or every, either. A rationale person would assume not one trait fits everyone in a group, so one shouldn't have to account or preemptively defend against that in a statement. In despite of this, as i said previous, tww aren't exactly the best representation of the typical girl so there is no need to argue how you and your bf are. Thats good for you, but it doesn't change the world.

4/11/2008 2:24:31 PM

^^yeah, because then at least the next guy knows what he's getting into, you're right

he isn't being swindled

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:25 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2008 2:25:15 PM

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"So the key is to stay active and fit so that they feel like they have to keep up. And if they don't, then dump them for someone who is in better shape."

This is my philosophy. Has anyone ever been able to change a bf/gf who was a little overweight to begin with by doing this? I tried and failed.

4/11/2008 2:29:54 PM

^^ or because you only value women on a superficial basis, whichever

it's still up to you

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"Also, the teacher thing is rarely about money. Usually its about how they view the teacher and his knowledge, charisma, maturity, or what have you which leads to a status role over the other men in the class. Rarely do they sit and drool because hes such a wealthy man, especially since most professors don't make much. That suggestion is weak at best."

They still have more than you do, as a high school or college student. And they can provide you with more than most of your peers, monetarily.

And you absolutely said it as fact (truth, even!):

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"Simply put, girls are attracted to status, and men to looks. We hold these truths to be self evident."

You didn't use a qualifier like "most," you just said "girls" and "men": those are rather large groups. It's annoying how you dismiss these things just because I'm on TWW: I'm automatically disregarded as part of the female gender and my experiences, that don't quite fit into your little plan, need to therefore also be disregarded. Congrats on your little loophole there, but I bet there's a larger number of women out there who base attractiveness on more than just a guy's status. The world of women isn't set against you like you want to imagine.

I'm more than aware that I don't, and others also won't fit into your stereotype, but you're the one who posited it as fact.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:43 PM. Reason : So sorry to not be a "typical girl." ]

4/11/2008 2:32:54 PM

resident fatty comes to the rescue !




RAWR RAWR RAWR

4/11/2008 2:34:23 PM

Aww, I'm glad you could make it, resident fatty.

4/11/2008 2:35:31 PM

You seem to be confused. Why dont you put that donut down and think this one over.

4/11/2008 2:36:20 PM

I am a woman that does not bag a guy just so I can get fat later. I think it has more to do with being completely comfortable and trusting of the person you are with, terp, and that is a big reason why people let themselves go. Men and women alike. I do agree that people need to think more healthy than they do. A lot of times people give up as well because their body changes beyond the ability to get back where it was. That does happen.
A person should care enough to keep themselves healthy and I do agree that skinny /= healthy.

I would hope that people don't think there is a conspiracy to get fat as soon as you're bagged. Encouragement goes a long way. If people were encouraging one another to stay healthy instead of the pressure of keeping a certain level of hotness I think we would all look pretty damn delicious. There is just too much pressure.

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"EAT LIKE DIABETICS"

4/11/2008 2:38:25 PM

I actually usually see men get fatter as the relationship goes along more than women do.

Girls are just more accepting. Because after the initial attractiveness, then tend to get more attached to personality traits than guys and also just get more attached in general. So when the guy puts on a few lbs, it doesn't affect them as much. I don't want to say men are more shallow or superficial, they just don't let go of the physical attractiveness as much as women do and are thus more affected by a little weigh gain in their significant other.

4/11/2008 2:42:44 PM

So, how does it work in same-sex relationships?

4/11/2008 2:43:56 PM

I wonder that as well.

4/11/2008 2:45:06 PM

^^^^ I totally agree I think she feels like you care about her so you're not going anywhere therefore she can act/eat how she really wants too.
--This thread is awful though!

P.S. make sure that you're eating healthy and not overweight if you dont want your girlfriend to be. I know a lot of girls that gained weight because they started eating what their boyfriends were eating, and it's a lot easier for guys than girls, guys can lose weight just by not drinking soft drinks (if they usually do). This doesnt work so well on women however.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:47 PM. Reason : ^^^]

4/11/2008 2:46:44 PM

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"So, how does it work in same-sex relationships? "

gays don't have "relatonships"

they just run around playing with each-others privates

4/11/2008 2:47:33 PM

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"So, how does it work in same-sex relationships?"

Most gay men are pretty fit. I'd say the same goes for a lot of lesbians too...although there are some bull-dykes.

4/11/2008 2:49:21 PM

that is soooo true. Why is it that guys lose weight so much quicker than women? Is it the influx of testosterone?

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"bull-dykes"

Whoa....hahahaha!

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ...]

4/11/2008 2:49:22 PM

^^^ haha South Park...

So instead of "having a relationship" you'll be "Butt..Buddies"
and instead of getting married, you'llbe..."Butt...Buddies"..

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ^^]

4/11/2008 2:49:34 PM

i'm just gonna go ahead and say it

i love junkfood
maybe i'm a lardass maybe i'm not. but i go to the gym several times a week so until i can't fit into my clothes anymore, i'm gonna keep doing what i'm doing.

and i hope it grosses everyone out because the only reason people care is because they want to be eating what i'm eating. you can be healthy and not gain weight if you eat a little junkfood here and there. geeeeez. just because she ate icecream doesn't mean she's going to go from a 4 to a 16.

oh and ps this thread totally doesn't focus on the long term at all. everyones bodys are going to change with age. you will probably get fat and go bald eventually. if not fat, you're definitely not going to maintain your looks forever. and if you're worried about the three months and 15 lbs, you should probably go ahead and think about the 50 years down the road when your penis has shriveled up inside your body and my boobs are scraping the ground. i think a girl gaining a few pounds is probably the least of our worries here.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:51 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:54 PM. Reason : think not thing]

4/11/2008 2:49:43 PM

Noooooo!

4/11/2008 2:50:14 PM

i know for real!! Tiramisu and THEN ice cream the VERY next day!! how dare she? haha

4/11/2008 2:51:44 PM

oh look a cute girl

4/11/2008 2:52:35 PM

:-(

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM. Reason : double post]

4/11/2008 2:52:41 PM

it was the same night, not to say back to back nights is acceptable either

4/11/2008 2:53:49 PM

I dk what u look like but u better hope u look good so u can date a model that doesn't eat

4/11/2008 2:55:44 PM

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"And you absolutely said it as fact (truth, even!):"

Why do you have to be so amazingly dull-witted and imperceptive. I never argued that it wasn't a fact that people do this, I acknowledged even that it was a fact and have supported entirely that i think women go after a man for status. At no point have i drifted from that. In fact, I don't even know what you're attempting to reference or make a point at with that comment. If its for the girls vie for status point of view, i was being witty using the declaration of independence quote, which i'm sure you're familiar with, to drive home a concept since the case does exist. Please see my previous comments about absolutes in my last post, if you are still having trouble with the concept of all women doing this.

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"You didn't use a qualifier like "most," you just said "girls" and "men": those are rather large groups."

I agree they're large groups, and as i've stated i understand a large percentage of women do operate this way, but it in no way insinuates all. If i said pigs are turned into bacon and cows into steak, would that mean i think all of them are? is it deniable that some of them are?

I've also not once dismissed anything, but rather have addressed everything you've said. Its not that you don't fit into my "little plan" but, rather, has you and many other women have proved on here you are not representative of the larger group of your gender. If you have some built up angst about that, deal with it yourself. I really don't care, but that doesn't change that the larger amount of women put a value on status when it comes to choosing a mate. Its not as if its just me who thinks so, that article- as i'm sure many others do- stated the same thing. You may not fit the stereotype, but many women do. I posited as fact, because it is a fact. I don't understand why you have such a trouble grasping this.

clif notes: stereotypes can be true for a large group, which is how they develop it but the trait won't fit everyone.

also, again your comment on the teacher thing is stretching, rarely is it about money and if you can't admit that to yourself then you have issues. Also, funny enough, you're suggesting that those women are money grubbers and gold diggers while i'm fighting for the belief that they see other appeals which elevates the man's status. wow fuchsia, just plain wow.


Either way, if i were you i'd put more thought into it before i post, because you're coming off as either a person who can't grasp something simple without being unreasonably stubborn or only thinking in a narrow scape (something stereotyped with women) or you're just trolling. Either way, you're operating with very flawed logic and not very sound material and would best be suited if you went and ran a mile or two.

4/11/2008 2:57:09 PM

idk

my bff jill?

4/11/2008 2:57:22 PM

Quote :

"or because you only value women on a superficial basis, whichever"

or I value integrity

"an undivided or unbroken completeness or totality with nothing wanting"

or

"the authenticity of a property's historic identity, evidenced by the survival of physical characteristics that existed during the property's historic or prehistoric period."

or

"safeguarding the accuracy and completeness of information and processing methods"

and my favorite

"Adherence to a code of values; utter sincerity, honesty, candor; completeness"

4/11/2008 2:57:32 PM

No, that's not what you're describing at all. I mean, if she just said to you "okay, I'm gonna gain 30 pounds," she'd be honest and you'd still hate it. You just don't like that she would put on weight. And that's fine, but don't turn this into some kind of "honesty" issue.

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"also, again your comment on the teacher thing is stretching, rarely is it about money and if you can't admit that to yourself then you have issues. Also, funny enough, you're suggesting that those women are money grubbers and gold diggers while i'm fighting for the belief that they see other appeals which elevates the man's status. wow fuchsia, just plain wow."

No, I'm trying to point out that you're the one claiming we're golddiggers by using status as tied to money (which you agreed it most often was). I was just pointing out that there are even monetary gains in the examples you tried to use as solely status.

My entire point is that STATUS for most women is not like LOOKS are for most men: it's not factor #1. In short, I just think you're completely wrong.

I read what said about exceptions, but it just looks like backpedaling. You didn't make any exceptions when you made your initial statement. I'm not saying it's untrue for all people, but you didn't make any concessions that there were others to begin with.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 3:06 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 2:59:45 PM

I eat a lot of bad stuff. SNICKERS!! I think I have some pretty lucky genes but I also do yoga every morning before I start my day. Yoga dvds are the best accessory for a woman!

4/11/2008 3:00:49 PM

this thread hurts my self esteem...

the speed and laxatives aren't enough...

i'm just going off feed all together now

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 3:02 PM. Reason : maybe then a man with love me]

4/11/2008 3:01:46 PM

attention ladies:

Quote :

"LET'S GET FAT"

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2008 3:02:44 PM

ha! I just don't want a double chin!

4/11/2008 3:03:27 PM

In the future, we'll choose bodies as we choose avatars.

And virtual ice cream sandwiches will have zero calories.

4/11/2008 3:03:39 PM

i tried the most i've gained since highschool was(10 lbs) and i needed it..but i tried to gain some weight and now i like where i am haha.

4/11/2008 3:04:47 PM

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"if she just said to you "okay, I'm gonna gain 30 pounds," she'd be honest and you'd still hate it"

umm, no, if she said that she'd be both INSANE and UNHEALTHY

I am not saying I wouldn't date a girl with a few "extra" pounds - but she can't be a liar, whether thin or not. That whole COINCIDENCE that she gains 20 pounds right after we start getting serious is BULLSHIT (theoretically)

4/11/2008 3:10:06 PM

and I'm saying that I don't think any woman would intentionally do that

ergo, I don't think that could be construed as lying

because there's no intent to keep it (that she will eventually gain 20 pounds) hidden from you

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 3:11 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 3:11:27 PM

Quote :

"is not like LOOKS are for most men: it's not factor #1."

you judge us so harshly

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"You didn't make any exceptions when you made your initial statement. I'm not saying it's untrue for all people, but you didn't make any concessions that there were others to begin with."

I already explained why i needn't have to make those concessions, but if you feel the need to be uppity and feel correct go ahead and read into stuff what you will.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM. Reason : lowness]

4/11/2008 3:11:45 PM

20lbs seems like a lot, but it really isn't. i can hardly tell a difference lookswise between my friends that are around the same height and that weigh 20 or 30lbs more than me. yes, we wear different sizes, but you honestly wouldn't know it. i guess maybe its a huge difference if you went from like 95lbs to 120lbs. but if you go from like 115 to 130 i mean....it really isn't that substantial i don't think. am i wrong? i don't even think that is a drastic change in clothes size. maybe you'd go from a 2 to a 4 or something or even a 6 OMG so fat. but really...20lbs...i don't get the hype.

4/11/2008 3:12:57 PM

you're right terpball it's all ahuge conspiracy, we girls are taught to starve ourselves for a couple of months eat celery and stuff, work out and then when we really got our man just pig out..

^ yea it really isnt a huge change i'm pretty sure it's like a 2 to a 4

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM. Reason : slow @$$ computer]

4/11/2008 3:13:08 PM

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"not for your boyfriend"

this is over

4/11/2008 3:13:41 PM

or just get pregnant

4/11/2008 3:14:23 PM