and first of all why does he operate a "BLACK" church when he is promoting equality and anti-racism.

why can't he get his members integrated with the rest of the congregations?

4/28/2008 3:44:04 PM

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"Are you denying America has had a racist history?"

what culture in the history of the world doesnt have a racist history?

that means absolutely nothing.

Wright is an idiot and everytime he opens his mouth, Obama loses a percentage point in the national polls.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:47 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 3:46:54 PM

^^ I bet he has more white members in his church (or formerly his church) than the typical "white" church has black members.

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"what culture in the history of the world doesnt have a racist history? that means absolutely nothing. "

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:48 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 3:47:06 PM

you see Rat...blacks and whites are equal...they have the same rights, values...can do the same things

of course since whites got a head start in this country, to put it mildly, equality to wright means helping blacks catch up...most rational people would say he is promoting the interests of blacks moreso than the interests of the country as a whole, which doesn't seem very equal

4/28/2008 3:48:09 PM

^^yeh that sounded intelligent

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:49 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 3:48:53 PM

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" Politicians in general dodge issues like the plague, when was the last time McCain actually talked meaningfully about issues? "

McCain talks pretty honestly about what he thinks needs to happen in Iraq and he gets blasted for it.

4/28/2008 3:49:04 PM

^^^ Are the interests of blacks not also the interests of the country?

You don't see how helping blacks attain economical and education equality won't help out with a LOT of the problems in this country as a whole?

^ Obama talks honestly about what he thinks should happen domestically and he gets ignored for it. I guess blasted is better than people continuously asserting you only talk about change.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:51 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 3:49:50 PM

either way guys (liberals / conservatives / moderates) let's all be honest that this chit chat by wright, whether old or new is only deepening the divide in america.

amirite or amirite???

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:50 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 3:50:24 PM

good answer moron...you know you will not find one.

race has fueled wars and slavery for all of recorded history and continues to do so today. race problems are not unique to America.

Africa, for example, is basically one huge black-on-black genocidal race war. Wright would serve mankind and black people throughout the world better if he focused his ire and anger on those who deserve it. not "whitey."



[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:52 PM. Reason : . ]

4/28/2008 3:51:29 PM

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"and first of all why does he operate a "BLACK" church when he is promoting equality and anti-racism. "

Whenever you see or hear a statement like this, you have to realize you're dealing with someone who probably never took a sociology class, or just has very closed-minded parents.

Maybe you should take a look into America's history, and then you'll realize why it was necessary to form black churches. If it wasn't for the role of the black church in black communities - America would be much worse off than it is. It isn't the black parishoner's fault they weren't allowed to worship with your grandparents.

Any why are the black churches still around? What do you want them to do other than welcome white members (which they have been doing). Just abolish the churches that have been combating poverty, crime, AIDS, etc... in the black comminuties?

4/28/2008 3:52:13 PM

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"Africa, for example, is basically one huge black-on-black genocidal race war."

troof



^ so you are against racially equal churches is what you are saying. nice.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:53 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 3:52:18 PM

How the fuck was I saying that?
You are a fucking idiot

4/28/2008 3:54:40 PM

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"good answer moron...you know you will not find one. race has fueled wars and slavery for all of recorded history and continues to do so today. race problems are not unique to America. "

I would say race was USED to fuel wars, but the perpetrators (ie the politicians) were mainly in it for power and money.

But I don't disagree with this sentiment. I'm shocked though that you seem to think that this is "meaningless" acknowledging that race has and still causes problems, how can you possibly feel that we shouldn't recognize and try to fix those problems?

4/28/2008 3:55:18 PM

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"You are calling Wright a racist because he refernced America's racist history."

Wright on black-on-black crime:

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"THAT IS FIGHTING THE WRONG ENEMY!"

When you say shit like that and get labeled a racist, do you really have to wonder why?

4/28/2008 3:55:52 PM

so can anybody honestly say that this wright character is helping the race situation in america?

4/28/2008 3:56:03 PM

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"Maybe you should take a look into America's history, and then you'll realize why it was necessary to form black churches. If it wasn't for the role of the black church in black communities - America would be much worse off than it is. It isn't the black parishoner's fault they weren't allowed to worship with your grandparents. Any why are the black churches still around? What do you want them to do other than welcome white members (which they have been doing). Just abolish the churches that have been combating poverty, crime, AIDS, etc... in the black comminuties?"

you have been fooled.

you are doing the same thing Wright is doing...he is trying to claim to be the appointed 'representative' of black churches nationwide. HE IS NOT. he is not typical of the black churches I know.

black churches do great things. they help people. they have a huge place in the civil rights struggle. they DO NOT spit BS statements at their parishoners to encourage hate.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 3:57:17 PM

^^^ once again, you're taking that statement grossly out of context.



^^ he obviously has not, but it's not his fault, it's people like twista/eyedrb/oeuvre that want to use wright to smear Obama to make him look anti-white.

^

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"black churches do great things. they help people. they have a huge place in the civil rights struggle. they DO NOT spit BS statements at their parishoners to encourage hate. "

Wright doesn't either. If you feel that he does, prove it. To help you out, here's some ammo you can use to find out what Wright says: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=TRINITYCHGO

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:59 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 3:57:41 PM

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"THAT IS FIGHTING THE WRONG ENEMY"

How is this racist? Telling blacks to stop fighting against each other, and fight for equal rights, fair education, against poverty, etc... is racist?

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"so can anybody honestly say that this wright character is helping the race situation in america? "

How is he not? He inspired Obama's famous race speech - and I'm sure he's helping the more open-minded people in the country understand the mystery of "The Black Church" that has haunted them for all these years.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 3:59 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 3:58:48 PM

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"I'm shocked though that you seem to think that this is "meaningless" acknowledging that race has and still causes problems, how can you possibly feel that we shouldn't recognize and try to fix those problems?"

its meaningless to use it to single out one group of people for blame. racism, on some level, is human nature. doesnt mean we should like it, but it also doesnt mean we should use it as a crutch.

4/28/2008 4:00:27 PM

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"its meaningless to use it to single out one group of people for blame. racism, on some level, is human nature. doesnt mean we should like it, but it also doesnt mean we should use it as a crutch. "

WHAT

4/28/2008 4:02:38 PM

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"Wright doesn't either. If you feel that he does, prove it."

WHITE PEOPLE MADE AIDS TO KILL BLACK PEOPLE

one of many.

now tell me how he should mistrust whites and thats why he couldve come up with his reasoning...

GO

4/28/2008 4:02:49 PM

^^ racism doesn't exist anymore, and people who say it does are using it as a crutch

^

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"one of many"

Post one more, and make sure it's in context. GO!

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"Rat: the fact that he engaged in war against the enemies of america means nothing in todays generation "

Wright VOLUNTEERED to serve in the military. Does that mean nothing to you?

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:04 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 4:03:14 PM

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"WHAT"

just what I said. the sooner all people stop blaming others for their plights in life, the sooner they, and all of us, will be much better off.

4/28/2008 4:04:33 PM

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"racism doesn't exist anymore, and people who say it does are using it as a crutch"

thats not what I said moron.

I clearly said racism exists EVERYWHERE in the world. the US is not unique to it. it will likely always exist. get over it and build yourself up. fuck everyone else. QUIT USING IT AS A CRUTCH.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:06 PM. Reason : . ]

4/28/2008 4:06:25 PM

^^
"let them eat cake!"

^ So in the US, whites face as much racism as blacks? Whites are under the same negative pressures of racism as blacks?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you must be white, because you're the MOST clueless person on TWW about the issues of racism. Treetwista and eyedrb have you bested in this category, which is not saying much.


[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:08 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 4:06:44 PM

or, continue to blame dead white men for your current plights and get nowhere. the choice is yours.

4/28/2008 4:07:29 PM

^ haha, i'm not black. Your dead ancestors didn't oppress my people (more than likely). I'm just an American.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:10 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 4:10:26 PM

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"I clearly said racism exists EVERYWHERE in the world. the US is not unique to it. it will likely always exist. get over it "

I'm glad not every white person in this country is as ignorant as you when it comes to race relations. It is hard to even think about how horrible things would be in this country.

4/28/2008 4:12:15 PM

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"So in the US, whites face as much racism as blacks? Whites are under the same negative pressures of racism as blacks? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you must be white, because you're the MOST clueless person on TWW about the issues of racism. Treetwista and eyedrb have you bested in this category, which is not saying much."

I will go out on a limb (maybe not on a limb, its pretty obvious) and say your are an idiot if you dont understand what I am saying.

I want all people, white/black/yellow/green to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and solve their own fucking problems. bitches like Wright, who simplify the struggle of minorities and make their names blaming white people for their problems and play on the fears of the uneducated, do nothing but HURT poor black people by giving them a 'crutch.' there are many prominent black leaders and people who feel the same way. does that make them racist idiots as well?

4/28/2008 4:14:32 PM

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"Are the interests of blacks not also the interests of the country?"

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer a President that looks at the ~280,000,000 Americans and does whats best for them as a whole...not whats best for one particular race of people...that of course would be racist...unless Wright says it, in which case it wouldn't be racist, since Wright is the least racist person in the whole world

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"I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you must be white"

racist

4/28/2008 4:14:50 PM

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"I'm glad not every white person in this country is as ignorant as you when it comes to race relations. It is hard to even think about how horrible things would be in this country. "

you are such a fucking dumpshit toolbag, I dont even know where to start. BO's dick is dry. go wet it up again.

4/28/2008 4:17:42 PM

the only reason terpball is pro-gay marriage is because he wants barack to divorce his wife so he can marry him

4/28/2008 4:18:25 PM

What just happened? Did I make you aware of your own racism, and rather than address your issues, you're attacking me instead?

4/28/2008 4:20:11 PM

I really dig the terpball method of debate.

Someone with 2 or more braincells: Wright's comments were racially sensitive and divide this nation.

terpball: you're a doo doo head

Rational thinker: Obama's close relationship with such a person should be called into question.

terpball: you eat boogers, lol!

Poster with an IQ over 75: It's interesting to note that those who are fervently anti-Christian embrace a preacher who spouts hatred from his pulpit.

terpball: you're a dum dum!

Hey terpball, my cousin's 1st grade class just called, they want their debating style back when you're finished, k?

4/28/2008 4:21:12 PM

terpball how long til you let someone make you aware of your own racism?

or are you going to vehemently defend anyone who is black for seemingly no reason but your shared race, as if its your duty or something? i don't defend anybody "just because they're white"...cause i'm not a racist...

4/28/2008 4:21:40 PM

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"I don't know about you, but I'd prefer a President that looks at the ~280,000,000 Americans and does whats best for them as a whole...not whats best for one particular race of people...that of course would be racist...unless Wright says it, in which case it wouldn't be racist, since Wright is the least racist person in the whole world"

I agree, but it just so happens that right now helping black Americans also helps out all the ~280,000,000 of us, or do you disagree?

4/28/2008 4:21:59 PM

what happened is you did the typical thing (called me a racist) when I disagreed with your stance and then I called you a DUMBSHIT FUCKING TOOLBAG.

you continually fail to address anything posted, instead you resort to simply accusing the person of being 'ignorant.'

newsflash: you are not any smarter than the rest of us to the issues of race simply because you happen to be black. we all live in the same world.

4/28/2008 4:22:41 PM

^^i will not agree with any candidate who puts one race above others in a diverse country...do you realize how racist you are coming across as right now? One race, not one group, one RACE NEEDS more help and should get explicit preferential treatment??

if you want to help out all poor people or something, thats fine...knock yourself out

but if you want to promote blacks more than others...or whites more than others...or hispanics more than others...or asians more than others...no, fuck that...he isn't running for President of the United States of America's Black Population

4/28/2008 4:24:09 PM

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"That Rev. Anthony is one passionate guy, that's a turn off to white people off the bat."

Man, gotta love racial stereotypes.

moron, have you ever heard of the Penecostal Church? Shouting Methodists? Or been to any of the various nondemonational churches or been to any contemporary service?

I think this leaves little room for you to judge who is racist or not because clearly you're out of touch with your comments painting white people with such a wide brush.

4/28/2008 4:27:18 PM

aside from 4 pages I care not to read

...

he's a pastor

what did people expect?

4/28/2008 4:28:42 PM

that is a good point.

most (if not all) "political" pastors are bat-shit crazy, one way or the other.

4/28/2008 4:29:50 PM

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"I will go out on a limb (maybe not on a limb, its pretty obvious) and say your are an idiot if you dont understand what I am saying. I want all people, white/black/yellow/green to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and solve their own fucking problems. bitches like Wright, who simplify the struggle of minorities and make their names blaming white people for their problems and play on the fears of the uneducated, do nothing but HURT poor black people by giving them a 'crutch.' there are many prominent black leaders and people who feel the same way. does that make them racist idiots as well?"

You continue to misunderstand Wright if you think his schtick is blaming whites. The entire basis of his message to the black community is to help yourself as much as you can (that's actually what the "you're fighting the wrong enemy" statement was about). In fact, shockingly I know, MOST blacks feel this way!

What you're saying doesn't make sense though. The Jim Crow laws have a direct and measurable effect on blacks today. It's completely delusional and disrespectful to say we shouldn't, as a country, do something about this.

There's nothing wrong with wanting blacks or anyone to help themselves. The problem is that you're going to turn around and bitch about how blacks are so poor/dumb/lazy/criminals or whatever, and then use this to assert that they must not be doing enough to help themselves (which is already implicit in your statements), which is what racism is. You're saying that racism has hurt people, and you're saying that racism exists, but if you believe this, then it's obvious then that at least part of the issues the black community has economically MUST be do to racism. Which means that you should be agreeing with Wright when he talks about how racism has hurt the black community, because it certainly is not hurting the white community, is it? Sure, there are some people who use the claim of racism as a crutch, but there's no way you can look at the statistics and say this is the case for the whole community.

It would be like me pointing out that midgets have a harder time than normal people. This is a freaking obvious observation, but midgets are such a small part of the population, there's no meaningful reason to point this out. In case you don't understand the comparison, the amount of poor people that just throw up their hands and blame their situation on racism is the minority segment of the population, and is not worth pointing out. It's telling that you somehow feel this is the case.

4/28/2008 4:31:21 PM

^^except Wright

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"The Jim Crow laws have a direct and measurable effect on blacks today"

and as long as people use something like that as an excuse or a crutch, nothing will change

4/28/2008 4:31:21 PM

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"but if you want to promote blacks more than others...or whites more than others...or hispanics more than others...or asians more than others...no, fuck that...he isn't running for President of the United States of America's Black Population"

What if racial slavery still existed? How much inequality does it take for focusing on the disadvantaged group to become acceptable?

4/28/2008 4:35:03 PM

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"i will not agree with any candidate who puts one race above others in a diverse country...do you realize how racist you are coming across as right now? One race, not one group, one RACE NEEDS more help and should get explicit preferential treatment??"

Whoa, which candidate are you talking about? Do you seriously think Obama is going to put blacks above everyone else, to the detriment of the country?

Ignoring the problems of the black community implicitly puts the problems of whites above everyone else though, because whites are the majority (this is just a factor of statistics). That's why affirmative action programs exist (I think Obama's talked about scaling these back too though, which is a good idea). Only recently, these programs are shifting towards the economic factors (also a good idea), because racism IS actually decreasing in society.

If there were some virus that only attacked white people, i'd have absolutely no problem with the gov. enacting programs to help out these white people until they got better. It would be ludicrous for me to be against such programs. Sure this takes resources away from things that helps the non-whites, but for the long-term and even short-term stability of the country, it would be the best position.

4/28/2008 4:38:39 PM

^^we've already focused on getting equal rights for all...blacks...women...etc

and i'd be interested to see what particular programs or implementations you guys would suggest that would target the black population specifically and help the black population "get out of their rut" and get on equal standing with whites...what type of specific things would even accomplish that?

^no, but you've been on the "helping blacks helps america" tip...as if Obama, especially with Wright's influence, would put problems in the black community to the forefront of priority...I don't think any race should be given any type of advantage based on race alone, that strikes me as the definition of racist

4/28/2008 4:39:02 PM

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"terpball how long til you let someone make you aware of your own racism? or are you going to vehemently defend anyone who is black for seemingly no reason but your shared race, as if its your duty or something? i don't defend anybody "just because they're white"...cause i'm not a racist... "

Treetwista, the 2 posts above you don't deserve a response, I think those kids probably have steam coming out of their ears right now, if their heads haven't already exploded.

I don't think I'm all that "racist" - but it may appear so on this message board. Take a fucking look around? There isn't a lot to combat the blatantly racist things posted on this message board on a daily basis. Shit, didn't TWW even make the news because of some of its violently racist posts? I'm playing my role.

I don't hate white people, ok? Anyone who knows me in real life would laugh at the idea that I'm racist.

4/28/2008 4:39:27 PM

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"The problem is that you're going to turn around and bitch about how blacks are so poor/dumb/lazy/criminals or whatever, and then use this to assert that they must not be doing enough to help themselves (which is already implicit in your statements), which is what racism is. "

where did I say that? there are poor people who are poor because of circumstance and poor people who are poor because they are fucking lazy. lazy knows no color or creed.

further, Jim Crow is not making people any poorer today than white skin is making people richer.

4/28/2008 4:40:06 PM

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"we've already focused on getting equal rights for all...blacks...women...etc and i'd be interested to see what particular programs or implementations you guys would suggest that would target the black population specifically and help the black population "get out of their rut" and get on equal standing with whites...what type of specific things would even accomplish that? "

For starters, we can stop trying to trash the black presidential candidate just because he went to a black church

4/28/2008 4:40:41 PM

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"and i'd be interested to see what particular programs or implementations you guys would suggest that would target the black population specifically and help the black population "get out of their rut" and get on equal standing with whites...what type of specific things would even accomplish that? "

That's an interesting question, but I know that the answer is NOT pretending racism doesn't exist and doesn't negatively affect the black community.

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"DaBird: further, Jim Crow is not making people any poorer today than white skin is making people richer. "

Haha, where is your proof? Because your assertion goes against the research in the fields of politics, sociology, psychology, and economics. It would be ground-breaking if you could prove racism doesn't affect blacks, because the vast majority of studies say otherwise.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 4:41:27 PM