RUUUUUUUUUUUUD!!!!

6/9/2008 3:14:50 PM

wtf

6/9/2008 3:15:19 PM

what a goal sneijder!!!!

6/9/2008 3:18:33 PM

haha

RUUUUUUUUUUD

6/9/2008 3:18:39 PM

what a great goal, what a great counter, awesome stuff. thank you holland for providing what i wanted to see today

6/9/2008 3:19:10 PM

God damn that was a pretty ass goal from start to finish.

and that first goal was crap

6/9/2008 3:19:24 PM

my stream went out right before both of the freaking goals

6/9/2008 3:19:36 PM

well the dutch team and sneijder have the goal of the tournament so far

6/9/2008 3:20:02 PM

Italy pwnt, stay home.

6/9/2008 3:20:19 PM

Holland

6/9/2008 3:20:36 PM

haha

6/9/2008 3:20:47 PM

oh man, kuyt was gone down the wing there. yellow card to zambrotta


damn that was close for ruud gettin a breakaway

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 3:22 PM. Reason : f]

6/9/2008 3:21:59 PM

HOLY FUCK

(i'm 3 min behind)

6/9/2008 3:22:59 PM

ahah damn, sorry if i gave away the goal then...let it be known im not stopping my posts though

6/9/2008 3:23:36 PM

6/9/2008 3:24:20 PM

oh its cool, i'm not reading the thread until i catch up

6/9/2008 3:24:35 PM

hah

6/9/2008 3:25:16 PM

kuyt almost ruined it for his team there

6/9/2008 3:27:51 PM

damn, andy gray is right, that was game set match if he puts that breakaway in


i hope that doesnt come back to haunt them, should be 3-0 with another ruud goal

total football out there at the moment


italy suck right now cause half their squad is ac milan out there...

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 3:31 PM. Reason : where is amac to joke him about that.. ]

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 3:31 PM. Reason : m]

6/9/2008 3:29:49 PM

that was an insane pass to lead Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud on for that shot. I mean that shit just curved and slowed up perfectly for him.

Buffon def saved the italians on that one

6/9/2008 3:31:06 PM

italy are getting dominated right now, and they arent a good scoring team either

cannavaro missing is killing them right now

6/9/2008 3:34:15 PM

I just watched a clip of the first goal and I've been trying to research offsides on the internet and I can't find anything but..

I know that when an offensive player goes off the field during the normal run of play, he is not considered to be in an offsides position, so why does a defender who was out of bounds as a result of normal play count as one of the 2nd to last defenders?

well I found this

Quote :

"From Advice to Referees 11.11: "A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position. Such a defender is considered to be on the touch line or goal line closest to his or her off-field position. A defender who leaves the field with the referee's permission (and who thus requires the referee's permission to return) is not included in determining offside position." "

That sucks because wasn't he injured on the play?

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 3:37 PM. Reason : advice]

6/9/2008 3:34:50 PM

Quote :

"I know that when an offensive player goes off the field during the normal run of play, he is not considered to be in an offsides position, so why does a defender who was out of bounds as a result of normal play count as one of the 2nd to last defenders?"

A few years back they changed the offside rule to only include attacking players who have an "influence on the play." While that includes players who influence the marking scheme of the defenders, an attacking player who is chilling out of bounds is not influencing the play. A defender who hasn't asked permission to leave the field is still effectively defending.

6/9/2008 3:42:55 PM

thats what i was thinking...im pretty sure he was thrown down to the ground by his own player(buffon)...and i figured he was considered in the play cause you arent supposed to leave the field on your own accord


i was kind of looking it up too to reassure what i was thinking, but i figured one of you guys would also do it...plus i was about 75% sure it was a goal

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 3:46 PM. Reason : d]

6/9/2008 3:44:49 PM

I understand that if you didn't count players out of bounds as one of the two second-to-last defenders, the rule would be taken advantage of but it's really not a fair rule for those who were injured. I guess by just sticking to a strict interpretation of "in or out of bounds, you still count," you're removing the referee's quick assessment/judgement of the situation, which probably isn't a bad thing.

6/9/2008 3:47:02 PM

there goes my bet on centsports.

6/9/2008 3:48:23 PM

well the only way you can deem the player injured is if the ref stops the game, which he didnt. so hes still a live player

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 3:49 PM. Reason : g]

6/9/2008 3:48:43 PM

Right...there's no shades of grey, no guys pretending to be injured on the side and then hopping back into the play, no one dashing for the touchlines on a five-on-two, etc.

6/9/2008 3:49:13 PM

im surprised no one has stepped up to announce that goal was legal, like somone did some research or something.(on tv)

and ruud just got fouled at the edge of the box with no call...

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 3:53 PM. Reason : f]

6/9/2008 3:52:47 PM

^ oh, were the announcers questioning it?

yeah, you think Julie Foudy could've googled it at halftime or something

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 3:55 PM. Reason : Julie]

6/9/2008 3:53:38 PM

the first goal? both announcers, and the people at halftime all said it was offsides. andy gray was pretty vivid about letting us know he thought it wasnt a goal

6/9/2008 3:55:33 PM

typical italian elbows flying around

6/9/2008 3:58:01 PM

EPIC

ITALIAN

ELBOWS

6/9/2008 4:00:36 PM

haha

6/9/2008 4:01:12 PM

gatuso was just laughing at the ref.....hahahah


and Toni got mauled on that no call


OH wow he had van der saar beat baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

Good ideaa

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 4:07 PM. Reason : a]

6/9/2008 4:05:24 PM

damn holland robbed on that offsides call

and

toni blows another one

6/9/2008 4:19:34 PM

clutch der sar

6/9/2008 4:21:15 PM

ahem, clutch der sar again!


and its 3-0!!! great stuff


im pretty sure he saved that free kick, and what a counter again by the dutch, this team is looking dangerous

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 4:23 PM. Reason : f]

6/9/2008 4:22:49 PM

they definately look dangerous but they play like retards sometimes.

Up 2-0 with 20 minutes left and they are attacking like they are down 2-0


Fine by me though cause its fun as hell to watch

6/9/2008 4:27:17 PM

well its working, haha. theyve got one of the best GKs in the world to back them up

6/9/2008 4:35:38 PM

great game. at least i can look forward to dutch and portuguese games in that both teams are actually attacking instead of playing USA-ball

6/9/2008 4:41:50 PM

julie foudy is dumb as hell. you are a woman, you play soccer slow as hell, and apparently you grasp the concept of the offsides rule slow as hell too

6/9/2008 4:48:16 PM

^ c'mon, that post is just stupid. It isn't her being a woman, it's just simply how she feels about the situation. Also, in the 99 world cup, something similar happened against the woman, and it went the other way (as in it was called offsides), and she probably has that on her mind as well.

6/9/2008 4:54:03 PM

lol way to take it seriously

6/9/2008 4:58:19 PM

oh... my bad... Got Me

6/9/2008 5:00:27 PM

lol @ ESPN

Quote :

"Italy took control of Group C with an excellent 3-0 victory over World Champions Italy."

6/9/2008 5:10:17 PM

haha nice

6/9/2008 5:11:30 PM

missing the matches because of work makes me very

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2008 6:55:52 PM

WHAT DID She say? My understanding is that RVP was on side b/c the Italian player was off the pitch (on his own)

6/9/2008 8:00:01 PM

^ Ruud Van Pistelrooy

6/9/2008 8:12:27 PM